Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by NotBrendanRodgers honest, Jan 15, 2018.
Does Levy? And if so, will he make the funds available? That’s the crux of the issue.
I ignored this thread for as long as I could but I just don't see the appeal in Poch. He has a job with 0 expectations and some of you think he is suitable for the Manchester United job? I mean sure he has done max with the resourses he has winning nothing in the process. That kind of reminds me of somebody we hired in 2013... On a seroius note he is obviously better than Moyes but still. If we end up giving him the job I'll get behind him but I'm sure that there are a lot of people that share my doubts
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Liverpool have the funds, How many Premiership titles have they won?
Not really what he said.
He can't make funds available if there are no funds available (or at least not the amount it would take to buy a premium player at the moment). Not sure why this seems to be such a difficult concept to grasp. I guess fans of teams like Utd simply can't comprehend what it must be like to support a team without an unlimited budget.
I think we understand that. The issue here is how it affects Pochettino's decision making.
Also we don't have an unlimited budget.
Seems like with jose gone he's the next target for the British media
Well Poch knew what the situation was when he signed his new contract - ok so the stadium has obviously been a much bigger strain on the club finances than was initially planned for but neither Poch nor Levy can do anything about that. The big one will be in the summer when we will finally be in the new stadium and hopefully we may be able to free up some cash then. We are a club who's all-time record signing is £42 million. We will break that for the right player I am sure but it's attracting the type of players who will cost +£80 million and +£200k per week salaries that is our problem - we will find it difficult to compete with the likes of Utd, Madrid, City, Barca, etc. who will also be in for those level of player.
It aint easy.
He keeps saying he can't win a trophy but all he needs to do is put out two decent teams and he could win the league cup.
I don't understand this mentality of not wanting to win or shying away from the so called lesser trophies. Chelsea won a couple of FA cups and the Cup Winner's cup before Mourinho's great team.. Sevilla have built a reputation on the back of it. How can you keep up this pretence of being a significant club if you keep downplaying expectations?
He's starting to sound an awful lot like a top six version of Moyes.
No he doesn't.
In his own roundabout way that's what he says. At the end he offers another cop out "Maybe we can but it will be tough". Yes Mauricio, tough, as opposed to easy titles that are handed out. No one is saying Spurs need to go all out for the league, but on the cusp of a cup final it's always worth playing your strongest team.
ok - 'maybe we can but it will be tough' does not equate to 'he keeps saying he can't win a trophy'.
You have managed to evidence my own comment.
That is a conditional statement coming at the end of a passage downplaying expectations yet again. He's done it for more than two years now. But I won't waste my time arguing with delusion devotees. Are you sure you aren't Glaston in disguise lad?
All the Spurs fans starting to get itchy and defensive.
I'm not arguing that he hasn't downplayed chances of winning something - I'm just pointing out that your statement that he had said we 'can't' win anything just is not accurate. Sorry if that is unacceptable but I thought actual facts would be of benefit.
I'm just reading between the lines. It's what humans do.
That is conjecture though - no issue with you doing it unless you state it as a fact which unfortunately you appeared to do in this case.
Can you blame them? They've got a great team and manager in a long long time and nothing (in tangible trophies) to show for it because they've either ballsed it up, had a spot of bad luck (that semi final with Matic's pile driver) or come up against a financially doped Club. It's only natural that they take to the innernets defending their club's honour. It really would be a shame if they can't squeeze a cup or two with two players as good as Kane and Eriksen in the side.
Le's see if he can resist the Madrid call. Rare is the manager or player that says no to Real.
Any fan of any club would do exactly the same - of course we will defend our club, just as anybody else on this forum will. Not sure why Spurs fans should get any more grief than anybody else for doing it though.
There is no way of knowing for certain either way.
I don't even mention Poch to them at work as they get triggered.
We are not in dispute. It's a natural response. I defended (and still feel justified) Mourinho after last season and the Liverpool fans defended Brendan after Crystanbul. My comment was just a response to the poster and this is a Pochettino and spurs related thread hence the focus.
"We are creating a legacy that is going to be amazing for the future of the club. I can see in the future Tottenham winning trophies. I don’t know if [it will be] with us or without. In one year or five years.”
In the context of what he was saying, I think he meant he's not sure if he'll be there when the new stadium gives them the platform to compete. Not that he might not be there when the stadium opens.
Which is a strong indication that the owners do not share Poch's level of ambition; which is that of accumulating trophies - specifically the Premier League title - rather than a new stadium, NFL franchises, cheese factories etc.
Poch has pressed this point on a number of occasions over the last couple of years and he is not afraid to go public with his views either. He has not received the proper backing and if that trend continues over the summer, he will be forced to leave Spurs in order to further his ambitions.
Could you blame him for that?
So the fact that Joe Lewis (the biggest shareholder) does not wish to become a sugar-daddy means, in your view, that he lacks ambition for the club?
So presumably your ideal, rather than the sugar-daddy clubs being reigned in by FFP, is for every club to have a sugar-daddy set of owners and the game further reduced to a battle between multi-billionaires.
At least Joe Lewis does not take a lot of money out of the club, unlike the Glazers and United.
Speaking if honor... what honor do they have (pun intended)
When wa the last time they won something?
I think you're missing point, which was not to insinuate that the club are purposely holding back the funds (I have no idea if they are or they aren't). But it's not relevant either way.
The point is, Poch has made it abundantly clear that he wants to win trophies. Now the question is, can he achieve that goal with his beloved Spurs, whilst being forced to operate with an extremely limited transfer budget, or would he be better served simply moving to a club that not only mirrors his ambitions but has the financial means to support it?
These are the questions he will be asking himself in light of interest from Real Madrid & United. He wouldn't be the first manager of a smaller club (no disrespect intended) to consider his options when the bigger clubs come knocking. That's all I'm saying.
I have no idea if he will leave or not, but there is absolutely no doubt that he will deeply consider it.
The point you originally made is that the owners don't share Poch's level of ambition because they are not putting their own money into the club in sugar-daddy fashion. Now you're saying something totally different.
The fact is that, without a sugar-daddy, Spurs can currently only spend a lot more on player by taking out additional loans on top of the stadium-related loans. But taking out more loans not an advisable or desirable strategy.
But they don't share Poch's ambitions, do they? They are more interested in building NFL franchises and cheese factories and attractive looking stadiums that the manager and players couldn't give two shits about. Your own fans share a similar line of thinking according to The Fighting Cock. But as I said, it's not relevant either way.
The point is, Poch has made it abundantly clear that he wants to win trophies. Now the question is, can he achieve that goal with his beloved Spurs, whilst being forced to operate under with an extremely limited transfer budget, or would he be better served simply moving to a club that not only mirrors his ambitions but has the financial means to support it?
Which you completely ignored.
Of course they do. You completely ignore the fact, as I've already said, that it's impossible to Spurs to currently spend a lot on new players without taking out additional loans, which is a fool's game. So you're essentially criticising the owners for not going down this path.
The new stadium is not some nice "extra" - it's key to our whole future going forward, as Pochettino, far from not giving "two shits" about it, has acknowledged many times.
You can bang on all you like about Pochettino being better off elsewhere, but he clearly doesn't think so and pretty obviously - wishful thinking of the straw-clutchers aside - won't be going anywhere this summer.
We are leading in a semi-final of a cup right now - of course we can win trophies - whether we do or not is another thing but there really is nothing stopping us from winning something.
League and FA Cups? Yeah, no doubt. Spurs can definitely win those and I'm actually a bit surprised they haven't done so under Poch yet.
But, and it's something I have disagreed with Poch saying publicly and so adamantly, his focus is on winning the PL and CL. Do you think without serious investment, and not just investment one summer, but somewhat consistently, that you can challenge for those trophies annually? I don't and that's not a knock on Spurs, but just what I think is the reality of the modern game.
I hope you do win it. But you'll have to get past City in order to do so which is no mean feat.
When Poch speaks of winning trophies, I rather think he means the league or the CL title rather than the inconsequential Caraboa Cup.
I don’t want him. I’m sure I’m not alone. He’ll come here if the offer is right. Just like he’ll go to Madrid when that place isn’t a shit show when the offer is right.
Personally I hope he stays far away from us.
Imagine thinking he is referring to the league cup when he says he wants to win trophies. Then again, beggars can't be choosers I guess.
I think it's very tough sure but I believe in the team and think with a but of luck we could have a decent shot at a title or champions League. Why not? I think our team is good enough. It's the squad is the problem and that's where we need perhaps more luck than the other teams with injuries.
Poch wont happen,OGS will get the job full time,it makes great business sense and keeps the fanbase at arms length!
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