Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by SteveJ, Aug 14, 2016.
Especially as Wenger's record in Europe is pretty pathetic to be brutally honest.
A joke? Really?
I think it's harsh to call the upset over life under Van Gaal as "OTT entitlement". Ultimately, football is supposed to be fun to watch. Success is a bonus. The thing about Arsenal under Wenger is that even in their most mediocre of seasons they usually have at least a handful of games where they play fantastic football (and, arguably, put on a decent show in the majority of their games) I can understand them losing their patience at this point because of the way the whole groundhog day thing but Wenger could use the Gladiator defence - "Are you not entertained?" With Van Gaal, we had some (albeit streaky) success but the season ticket holders at the Emirates were served up football as entertainment on a whole different level to what we were stuck with at Old Trafford. We weren't even being entertained on a par with a mid to lower table outfit. There was a point in the season where our chances/shots per game was amongst the lowest in the entire football league. There's no way that people who wanted rid of the manager on that basis were being entitled.
Clearly they are not a United fan.
Tbf, like that DT guy (who I can't stand btw but Troopz is cool) said, he's paid £70K following Arsenal since they last won the league.
They have a right to be pissed.
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"Even if I go, Arsenal will not win every single game in the future. It is not like before I arrived Arsenal had won five times in the European Cup.
Thing is though, I don't really get this attitude either. Yeah you've paid a lot of money but so do all of us. Heck, who knows how much money I've wasted on Spurs matches (our tickets are not that far off Arsenal's prices, despite being significantly less successful obviously). And yeah sometimes I'm upset or a bit angry about performances (much less often these days). But I'm always aware that I'm not spending this money necessarily expecting much. If I wanted guaranteed happiness for my money, I know I'm not going to find that at WHL. Very few fans will find that at their cliub stadiums. You can find it at the cinema, the theatre, dinner out with family etc.
But why do people spend money on football expecting a return?
Perhaps more importantly, regardless of emotions or money spent, standing there swearing at the manager of your club, who has revolutionized the club and done great things for them (and some obviously not so great) is just not on. Like I said, I can't remember exactly what you guys were like with Ferguson during that time and maybe if there was a Man Utd fan TV, there would have been Mr Bobbins standing there calling him a fraud and a dick and that he needs to feck off.
Just doesn't really sit particularly right with me tbh.
Each to their own though.
Angling for the Liverpool job I see
I'm watching now, I can't believe Troopz showed up in khaki tracksuit, did he actually think he was going to war?
Kroenke's board has been consumerizing and corporatizing our fan base for 7 years.
When you view your fans and supporters only as customers, you shouldn't be surprised when you hear complaints about the product on the field not being worth the price of admission.
The fan is simply speaking Kroenke and Wenger's language to get the message across.
I don't really see what point Gary Neville has to be honest, the Arsenal fans are far more than justified to protest against Arsene. If you ask me they're 5 years too late.
I think these lot are taking too much offence to Nev calling a fan an idiot.
Yeah, 20 minutes in and they have no other questions. I'm not sure what there is to discuss
DT is very articulate when its not immediately following a game when the tensions are high. He is persuasive as well, I don't disagree with his way of showing his discontent either, I really don't think it crosses the line more than any other route of protest Neville suggests.
Yeah he's quite reasonable as long as he's not interviewed right after a loss.
Troopz "If you listen to my interviews and take out all the slang, it's pure sense I'm talking"
Ty was obviously not invited because he's pro-Wenger.
Which would be pretty equivalent to a matchday/postmatch threads in every fan forum after a loss... emotions run high...
Even in some post match scenarios, I cant help but agree with him.
We couldnt handle Moyes for 6 months and they have been patient enough to put up with Wenger for so long....
Moh is not asking anything not already touched on by Robbie in the opening and responded to by gnev, waste of two or three minutes of his time just trying to put a point across when Neville has already answered it.
But That's nothing new at all. They're not pioneers in doing that, that's the unfortunate way football as a whole has been travelling in for quite a while now.
And the fans are very much speaking their language. From their words and looks of utter vitriol on their faces, they seem to despise wenger and kroenke. Yet there they all are, in Munich, decked out in arsenal gear, talking on an arsenal fan TV page and allowing them to rake in the money. If you want to speak their language, you boycott. But there they are, 70k deep, doing the very opposite.
The unfortunate reality is that that is what we are now. Customers and consumers. And if bludfam doesn't like it, there will be another arsenal fan to replace him I'm sure..
Anyway, we're getting a bit off track here. My point is that whether it is time for him to go or not, to talk that way about a legend of your club is just a bit unfair really.
Nev must have gotten tired of explaining that he called what he saw embarrassing and not ArseFanTV embarrassing. It seems like they still didn't get it.
I thought they were gonna talk more about Wenger, but it was all basically just a misunderstanding about what Nev called 'embarassing' and 'idiot'. Moh taking offence at clown emoji was more embarassing.
Well done to troops anyway, 'pure sense'
Troopz is hilarious in the Gaz video.
I enjoyed that. Would have been nice if they had tried to get more out of Neville with regards to why he still thinks Wenger should stay, but I liked it. Also kudos to Neville for actually going on there and having a chat with these guys, that's a very nice touch.
I'm honestly not sure what your point is. That fans are never supposed to bring up the money they spend? Even when the club consistently brings in financial matters as excuses all the time while overcharging?
The whole language and disrespect thing is a whole different issue though.
I blame on twitter, which I despise, and the lowest common denominator culture that twitter incentivizes. I can put thought and energy into the graphic I made and posted on p.41 here but do you think opposition fans are going to share that or even comment on that? No way. They are going to share the expletive filled rants filled with "blud and fam" because they find that funny. Swiss Ramble and Spielverlagerung might have their financial and tactical content shared but it never goes viral like some random cat saying "blud" or "fam" every sentence.
Youtube is a way to generate income by simply doing what you love. Personally I find it highly ironic. I don't watch Arsenal Fan TV. I'm old school and I'd rather read The Blizzard. But its funny how many people tease and make fun of people like 'BludFam Guy' but y'all are the ones keep it going! If Arsenal FanTV had people that spoke like they were writers for Spielverlagerung and Swiss Ramble do you think the videos would go viral? Hell no. It would be called dull and boring. Even if the analysis was far better it wouldn't go viral like some nobhead saying blud and fan every 10 words.
They got 35 minutes with him and wasted it on one topic that equated to tell me what you thought of calling that fan an idiot and the channel embarrassing, he didn't back down from either and he had stated that within about three minutes. They barely touched on the actual wenger debate, just how fans could put a voice to their views, they should have actually got into an actual discussion there.
Enjoyed that. ArsenalFan TV is the best fan channel out there. Good discussion. Lost a massive amount of respect for G Nev over the last couple of years
Why is this guy who threatens to kill himself all summer given so much attention on the Arsenal TV? I mean, not to sound cold, but why would you give somebody who's got mentality of a 12 year old so much attention?
Genuinely thought Neville was wishy-washy on just about everything. Used a lot of laughter to diffuse moments when he was looking a bit lost. Also quite patronising at times which I'm not entirely surprised at.
Didn't get much out of it overall.
Eh? Not sure how you've equated someone having suicidal thoughts as having the mentality of a 12 year old.
Well, my original point is the disrespect, like I said. You can want Wenger out, thats a perfectly valid opinion to have but you can do it in a slightly better way considering his status at the club.
I also never said that the fans can never bring up the money they spend. But especially if you supposedly know what is going to be served up, I'm not sure you can complain. And I was responding to your point about talking in Kroenke's language by saying that they're still paying for everything. He isn't feeling a thing surely?
I don't disagree with any of that but I'm not sure I ever indicated that I did. And I can assure you that I don't keep them going, I only discovered that there was even such a genre over the past few days and similarly watched the first few videos over that period. Considering what theyve said, I doubt the content changes that much.
But anyway. Don't care too much about the media they're doing it on or the actual thought. The language is disrespectful though.
waste of a question from troopz too, he said the media had a problem with him, they don't even know who he is, his problem is with other fans on youtube and social media.
No, it was actually more pointed at the shenanigans that surrounded it, if you by any chance remember the circumstances.
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