Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Kentonio, Dec 4, 2017.
The way Young is playing I honestly don't see an urgent need for a left-back.
He's 32 though, and so is Valencia. And while Ash is in good form we do need a better allround-LB imho. Sandro is 25 or 26 iirc and has looked good from a few big games i've seen him.
I love Young and it's easy to look at it like that when they're in good form but just because a stopgap option is playing well doesn't mean that
1) they will play as well in the future and 2) That we don't need an upgrade. I do hope Young keeps this incredible form and I really appreciate him as an option who's willing to play anywhere but realistically we do need an upgrade because of his age. Whether it's worth it to spend in January I don't know but if Juve are willing to let Alex Sandro go right now I'd be all for it as I feel Chelsea or City will definitely take him if he stays till the Summer. If we could get Ghoulam on a free and he isn't severely affected by the injury I'd love it but I'm sure we'd have lots of competition for him. Just scared about him since there's currently a left back at our club that was never the same after a long term injury
If we were already strong in the position I'd agree, but we need someone ready to play at their best IMO, going into the season with an uncertainty is too risky when our only LB that has performed at all is Ashley Young. Alex Sandro's attitude means he might not be ideal either.
Errr...the thread is getting sidetracked a tad bit, but there won't be a ton of uncertainty around Ghoulam. He is expected to be out for 5 months as regards the initial recovery period:
That means that he should probably be back by April/May - which would give him a decent window of about half a dozen matches for Napoli. Then he will likely join Morocco for the 2018 World Cup (which means another handful of matches at the very least including preparatory games), and then he could play a couple pre-season games. That total time-frame of about 9½ months from injury to start of the the next league season should be more than enough for him get up to speed. For reference, Rojo suffered a similar injury in May vs. Anderlecht - and is back to a reasonable fitness level after just 7 months. Plus, Ghoulam has an almost pristine record apart from the random ligament tear which could have happened to anyone:
A degree of uncertainty is part of every transfer - and it shouldn't be used as a disqualifier in Ghoulam's case. All things considered, he's a less injury prone option than Rose as regards recent medical histories, a more experienced and fitter option than Gayà/Grimaldo, and might just offer more bang for buck than Sandro. The big issue could be him renewing at Napoli:
It's a no brainer if he's available. We need a top top player in that position. He's just that.
Just like Lukaku.
If he's on the market, I expect Chelsea to have already entered negotiations.
We'd have to agree to the deal before we saw how his recovery had went though, that's what troubles me, especially given our woeful record regarding injuries, even players that had previously been healthy have found themselves picking up injuries here. To be honest between him, Sandro and Rose I have concerns on them all, in fact you mentioned Grimaldo and Gaya as other injury plagued players, is it a LB thing?
Yeah we’ve been routinely missing out on our manager’s targets for a while now...
When you consider the only player Mourinho doesnt seem to have secured is Perisic...who had neither a release clause or a contract running out.
Agree with most points you've made but that'd be quite a feat, considering that he's an Algerian international
Would you rather we wait for him to decline, so that we're forced to panic buy and inevitably overpay for whenever we bring in?
Indeed. And they of course did not qualify for the World Cup, which means there's every chance that Ghoulam will not play competitive football again until after the Premier League's transfer window closes in mid-August 2018. I don't think there's any chance of us going for him.
Sandro would be a good option.
Dang, totally forgot that he's Algerian and they didn't qualify for the World Cup.
Though that's probably good too because he can get a full pre-season with United and training under José if the club signs him.
Would be a great bit of business. Like others have mentioned, we can send on players in part-exchange. Darmian might fancy moving back to Torino but Blind would be the one who'd have even less of a chance of getting games.
Would prefer Sandro to Rose, but either will sort out our left back position. Young is more than a capable deputy and he can also cover at right wing back.
Young can play RB and can still rotate with Sandro as he'd be cup tied?
Just one comment to throw into the mix here.....Juventus..!
Agent P has an inside track..!!
Never heard of him. Been excellent for his club (Shakthar if google is correct ) I assume?
If there's any truth in Sandro being allowed to leave then I'd suspect Chelsea would be all over this, we were after him all Summer and Conte is apparently a big fan
With only Alonso as our LWB we could really do with someone else, also Alonso has been pretty poor this season and it's clear we could do with an upgrade on him
@Invictus could you shed some light on Alex Sandro's overall game?
Just based on highlights he seems a better attacking version of Valencia, but he's no Marcelo. I don't understand people's preference for him over Rose.
Hard to do an exact comparison, but I'd say he's similar to Alaba in a lot of aspects - fairly industrious, running almost non-stop, tall-ish for a fullback, quick in recovery despite sometimes over-committing in attack, and good on the ball in terms of passing and dribbling - though not as big of a difference maker in offense as the likes of Marcelo and Roberto Carlos in the past (Guerreiro from Dortmund is more likely to emerge as a potential matchwinner à la Marcelo) - and not as good a defender as Luís over the last half-decade. Since moving to Juventus, Sandro became a more efficient attacker and a better defender too - though his form has dipped a bit this season after emerging as one of the Top 3 leftbacks in club football in 2016/17. To get an idea of how effective he is in virtually all phases of the game when he's on form, here are a few Serie A statistics from last season:
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All things considered he's a better footballer, defender and leftback than Rose, IMO. Put it this way: if non Premier League clubs were given the chance to sign Sandro/Rose - the overwhelming majority (if not all) would choose the former.
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He reminds me a lot of Valencia in build and style. Seems like he can run up and down the flank for days, and won't need a lot of help defensively either.
He's the best thing that could happen to Martial and Rashford on that left side.
I'm sure you are all over this. But wouldn't it be a slightly tricker sell when you've got Alonso there already? He can walk into our team whereas you'd have to drop someone who has been first choice for quite a while. You've got the cash though...
The original source is dagospia which is the italian equivalent of tmz and such...
Alex Sandro probably does want to leave but if they managed to keep him last summer they ain't gonna sell on january. He's cup tied and all, too...
@Invictus only reason he may not look as much a game-winner as marcelo is because of how juventus play. Yes he's not quite as technically gifted, but he's a force of nature. I've seen him score goals like he was a fecking elite CF...
He's a slightly inferior version of Maicon/Dani Alves, but left-footed
He'll be 27 in January. We can get, what, 3 good years out of him at most. Well pass his peak.
I would avoid this and go for someone younger with a high ceiling.
Hope we don't go for Ghoulam. He's only performing in the league. Whenever I've seen Napoli in the CL, he was average. Sandro would be a much better choice.
I want a lb in his peak. Sick and tired of getting young players with potential for that role. We've had a problem at LB since Evra left and it needs filling yesterday.
Moreover Daniel Alves and Valencia show that that position can have longevity beyond the age of 30.
You are being very generous with Valencia, who is a Lichtsteiner kind of player and all in all equivalent imho.
He looked really good against City before his injury.
Didn't see that one.
City bound if he leaves. They'll comfortably offer £50m.
Does anyone really care about that?
Would anyone turn down the opportunity of signing a top class talent ahead of their competitors because he wasn't eligible for between 2 and 7 matches for the remainder of the season?
Wouldn't bother me one jot to be honest.
My only question mark over him is his lack of top tier pace, which whilst is not an issue in Serie A or even in CL, due to the system Juve play.. in a back 4 in england, could make him a tad vulnerable defensively and make him less effective in an attacking sense too. He reminds me of a Marcos Alonso, but slightly more athletic.. he's definitely not a powerhouse like Alves/Maicon who can bomb up and down with pace at their peak.
What he does have is composure on the ball, he's very skilful.. not as consistently skilful as Marcelo (but he's a GOAT in that respect) but certainly more skilful than any full back in England currently. He has flair, really good delivery and a solid footballing brain in the final third.. so he's quite elite in that sense.
Defensively in terms of positioning, aerially - he seems fine to be honest so no criticisms other than that potential lack of recovery pace. Its not like he's slow by any means, just saying in comparison to the best left backs of the past decade or full backs in general, he does look a yard slower than them and that could be an issue in a side which doesn't seek to dominate possession and wants to counter at speed.
Danny Rose is quicker in comparison, but less skillful.. but he is prem proven (hate that phrase) which in the context of defenders can be very important, as the league is very physically demanding and as we saw with Darmian, the pace and endurance needed to be a full back in this league is very high.
It's a no brainer - a massive upgrade over what we have.
We'll be in the market for new Lb again in 3 years.
Why? Footballers don't turn to shit at 30.
He will only be 30 by then. It's funny how many people here think that players become washed up and useless once they reach 30. Is it because of Rooney?
Yeah valencia and young are so useless at 32.
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