Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Sambob, Feb 7, 2018.
That's only a third of his weekly wages, not bad.
By the time I've managed to read this thread Sanchez will of made that money back.
Morally there's plenty wrong.
Gotta love the holier than thou on here.
Morals are old news these days, unless when it comes to PR actions about tolerance and what not.
Pep or taxes.
Do you think a prison sentence should be served in this case or is paying it back with interest enough?
Of course not, repaying the tax with interest and I presume a penalty is perfectly reasonable.
Avoidance and evasion are 2 entirely different things, isn't it? What is morally wrong with avoiding tax you're legally not obligated to pay?
Tax evasion is the illegal evasion of taxes by individuals, corporations, and trusts. ... In contrast, tax avoidance is the legal use of tax laws to reduce one's tax burden
Yep. So I'm a bit bemused that some think that avoidance is morally wrong. Unless they obviously don't understand the difference between evasion and avoidance.
I avoid the feck out of taxes.
They think paying your taxes in full, as demanded by the government in basic terms, is morally correct.
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Alexis agent just released a statement. summary: His Argument is Treasury is reinterpreting the law and pressure foreign players (mostly Real Madrid and Barcelona players) with threats of jail and using the media to force them to accept these deals. All the tax payment were made according to Spanish legislation that was commonly accepted by the treasury department for many years. They think that this is unfair but in order to finish this and avoid multiple oral trials and injustices, they accepted this awful deal following their advisor's recommendation.
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I blame the referees personally, the standard is getting worse.
"I have done nothing wrong whatsoever but I accept this awful deal"
Bit of a dick move when you're earning millions a year and paying less tax percentage than a school dinner lady
If it's true that the authorities have changed their interpretation of something and reversed the accepted way of operating then he and his team haven't really done anything wrong and at the same time have no real option but to accept it.
The same thing has happened in the UK and it's fundamentally wrong but the press spin it as hitting "tax dodgers" and evil rich people so nobody gives a feck.
Think of it as the motorway speed limit suddenly being changed to 60mph and everyone who's been driving at 70mph in the past is done for speeding.
I said it when the news about Messi broke, but its highliy unlikely that players themselves are deliberately going out to commit tax fraud, they have financial advisors who find loopholes which obviously in some cases turn out to be dubious as hell.
Avoidance is still morally wrong in the main IMO. It's mostly about creating artificial losses which they use to reduce their overall tax burden. A lot of the time they invest very little money yet get huge tax relief. They know that they're taking advantage of loopholes in the law and just because it isn't technically illegal it doesn't mean it's morally fine.
Again, avoidance is different to tax plainning as well. Tax planning is fine.
I'm just laughing because this is what accused parties taking a deal always say.
Do you actually have a position on the issue or just this useless ''lol rich guy got screwed" attitude?
Calm down. I was merely laughing at the wording of the statement. I have no clue whatsoever who's guilty in what way here, and neither do I care much.
Who isn't calm? I just asked you a question, it's a polarising issue.
Calm down guys
Morally wrong maybe but not morally ilegal.
Unfortunately by the date of the events the case of Alexis is affected by a modification of the penal code, so the payment of the fine will not be enough to avoid jail.
Apparently an option would be 6 months in house arrest.
I heard on the radio that a euro detention order is being prepared
Yeah, yeah. I've edited it now.
Then I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't perceive the issue as that polarizing, and I wasn't meaning to contribute substantially, just superficially.
Or better put, while the frequency of tax offenses among Real Madrid and Barca players suggest to me systematic fraud, I know too little about the Spanish tax authorities and their politics to get too riled up and righteous about it.
Generally speaking, I think that tax fraud is a serious offence that should not go unpunished, and I don't have the feeling institutional overreach is usually the main problem but rather a certain helplessness of the authorities.
The Sun headline " 600.000 a week Sanchez made Manchester United pay his Tax fines as it was included as part of the contract "
My interpretation of tax avoidance is using loopholes in the tax system to frustrate the intentions of legislators.
He could move to the USA as Trump just lowered our tax rates.
It's definitely an issue that divides opinions, often from people who (with all due respect to them) don't really understand the issues at hand.
Tax evasion is unquestionably completely wrong and should be tackled by the authorities head-on, but the problem is that there are often cases where people who are working entirely within the laws have the rug pulled from under them when the authorities change the rules or their accepted interpretation of legislation and apply these things retroactively.
It's happening here, with the government asking wealthy people to invest their money in particular development schemes to regenerate areas of the country and giving certain tax reliefs to encourage those investments, and then HMRC turning around years later and attacking those very same investments as avoidance and hitting people with bankrupting charges for investing in them.
The system needs to be fair for all involved, and then the people who play outside the lines will fully deserve what happens to them. For now there are genuinely innocent people being tarred with the same brush and the media and general public celebrate it.
You lot can feck off with your euro detention shite. Sort your own crap out before imposing punishments of people residing in the UK.
Why don't these millionaire footballers hire accountants / tax specialists to handle their tax for them? Just let them do the work so less headaches.
That’s exactly what they are doing!
Hmm.. I think you're on to something ground-breaking here..
Somebody notify all the rich people in the world that you don't have to do your taxes all by yourself and that you can pay people to do this!
There is no obligation, moral or otherwise, to pay the maximum tax possible.
Tax evaders are thieves.
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