Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Damien, Jan 22, 2018.
feck me, we're massive
I think the people moaning about his mislaying passes, and losing the ball, need to realise that he is trying new things, our players are not used to people trying to be creative with the pass, or looking for impossible angles. Once all the players gel, the runs will be made for these passes, and there wont be as many mislaid passes, and he will have assists coming out his back end!
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Alexis to United made more of an impact on the internet than Neymar to PSG. Says it all doesn't it?
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The fact him losing the ball a few times against Yeovil was picked up by fans, oppos and pundits made me think how Sanchez would have done under Van Gaal. A happy medium between losing the ball frustratingly and Van Gaal's straightjacket is probably what we're aiming for but for a player like him I'm in no doubt as to which I prefer.
And that's with a notoriously sub-standard digital infrastructure. Update our approach and the world is our oyster
Feck, that Article was such a feel good read. Love this club to bits...
I've tried explaining this side to our attraction for players.
A player's profile increases exponentially when they join us. Sponsors and advertising execs want to give money to the guy who is seen by the most people. So a player's earning potential excluding wages, is vastly increased.
Erickson is a better player than Herrera, but I bet Ander's image is more in demand, due to the jersey he wears.
You can bet that Neymar is feeling the squeeze by going from a massive club to PSG.
This is where no amount of creative number shuffling by oil clubs, can hide their true worth.
I don’t think he would have even considered playing for us under Van Gaal. I don’t think we fully realise just how despised he was within the dressing room.
The narrative of Sanchez throwing away his morals by turning down Pep was probably the most hilarious part of this saga, as if playing under Jose Mourinho is some sort of crime against football and as if he’s never got a decent performance out of an attacking player. The vast majority of players who’ve played under Jose genuinely adore him – Zanetti, Lampard, Drogba, Ibra – They speak of him like he’s a father. Along with his success he’s probably a huge factor in top players wanting to play for us. His style is also pretty suited to an attacker like Sanchez who thrives on freedom, far mores o than Pep's.
City for their part have been briefing the media occasionally as though every player wants to only play for Pep or will join them immediately if they call, for titles (Eg: Hazard). They are forgetting that the current "Invincibles run" (bar Liverpool) is unsustainable and things will be back to normal next season, which means both Chelsea and United will give them competition. Then they will be just one among us even with Pep.
Agree. Jose has a proud record of working harmoniously with quality attacking players, City's players are fairly well-paid themselves and United remain a major draw for top players. Those facts seem to have gone out of the window recently.
I'm sure Sanchez would have enjoyed it under Pep and I'm sure the money we're paying him played a major role in his signing but as you say the crime against football angle has been hilarious.
In South America we know a lot about PSG due the latest signings but is hard to see anybody with a PSG shirts, in Uruguay they wish the best to Cavani or the Brazilian to Neymar, the Argentinian cares about Pastore, Lo Celso or Di Maria and that it is, nobody cares about PSG as a team, they are just a mediatic trend.
In that sense, I can't imagine another club that could generate as much attention as United and that has a merit because Madrid with CR7 and Barcelona with Messi are very popular around the world and even with the travel in the desert of the years of Moyes and LVG and without a worldwide mediatic start remained as popular as them, just a bit behind maybe, but still top 3.
A lot of people think that about Mourinho, that he is a crime to football, that he lacks morals, that he is willing to do everything to win, and with all, that means all. A Spanish journalist was interviewed by one of our biggest newspapers and portrait an image of how Sanchez is going to suffer under Mourinho's fickle personality.
Mourinho has a lot of bad press and some of that anger is well earned due to some bad attitudes like when he attacked Vilanova's and all the time he is complaining about everything. He loves conflict and he uses to strengthen the locker room and divert attention over issues he doesn't like.
All of you knew about it before the signing so is no surprise that Journos who don't like United will use Mourinho as a weapon to attack the club. Mourinho is bad press, deserved or not, so I would recommend patience about it.
And is also about who showed more interest in him. Even you can argue that Sanchez was eager to leave earlier to left something for Arsenal if he waited at the end of the season, Arsenal would have nothing, nor players or money. But that is too good to be considered. The media loves to show the unidimensional characterization of players.
(Hi there, my first post here, .......well let's get to it) :
Don't believe everything you usually read on the press.
When Alexis played under Pep at Barcelona, his stay there wasn't all "honey and roses" all the time. For a great part of his time there, he was forced to play having strict restrictions, in how he was suposed to play (including Alexis joy when playing friendly match-ups for his national team, which for Alexis has always been very important for him), which of course affected his play and mood over the game, a lot. Under Peps guidance, Alexis really didn't enjoy football, as how he used to enjoy it before joining Barcelona. In many ways, Pep's resignation to his duties as Barcelona's coach (after his first year there), and only under Tito Vilanova guidance next, Alexis started feeling as being Alexis once again.
It may not be a long time since he played for Pep before, but this whole issue sure has always been in his mind, and specially when being about in time to sign his new contract (this time under Mou, here in Manchester United, instead of the "other" local team, under Pep).
That certainly beats my first post . Welcome aboard.
You're right in that I'm guilty of making assumptions about Pep and Sanchez's relationship based on media reports and the rough timeline of Pep signing Sanchez and the player staying for the remainder of Pep's tenure and beyond.
However one snag in your theory that Sanchez isn't keen on Pep is that Sanchez reportedly gave him his word he would sign for him at City. Again I've only got this info through the media but it was widely reported as fact; so are you disputing that such a gentleman's agreement was in place, and if not what motive do you think Sanchez had to agree to play for a coach under whom his enjoyment of the game had previously suffered? Was he that desperate to leave Arsenal that he took what he thought at the time was his only realistic out?
Sorry for the interrogation but the whole Sanchez deal, though delightful from United's perspective, has been a huge and controversial talking point and I'd like to understand more of what may have been going on to make it happen.
So....basically in the same ball park, height-wise.
Just what we needed.
I hope he orchestrates Spurs' demise, tonight.
It's been a long long long time, since I was this excited to see one of our new players play.
Probably the last time was when Pogba AND Jose made their debuts at OT. I still remember, it was a Friday night and the atmosphere was electric. We won, of course, but the game and the result were almost irrelevant. Jose and Pogba took centre stage and Pogba was magnificent!
Sure, but Alexis isn't stupid as many people may think he is (basicly for his tendency to "act" as a stooge all the time), and also has dealt with Pep before, so he also knows that whatever comes out from Pep's mouth, is full of diplomacy when Pep wants to get things out from players, but after he gets them, or doesn't really need anything else from them, may only be words spoken to the wind. In many aspects Pep, would make a fabulous politician.
In this whole deal, Alexis probably played Pep exactly the same way as how Pep was playing him.
Well, somehow as said before, don't believe what the press writes, as they also have interest in catching readers attention , so many times they'll write whatever it takes to achieve that purpose.
On regards to Pep's promises to players, gentleman's agreements only exist when they mostly favour Pep. If it doesn't favour Pep in any way, he will be the first to break them right away (over this issue, I must say that I have a very poor point of view regarding him, not only on how he has behaved before regarding Alexis, but also on how he has behaved regarding other chilean players whom have also been under his guidance before in other teams)
I don't think he was desperate to leave his former club, although he really thought that his cycle in that club was over and it wasn't necessary to run down his contract, as it wasn't really going nowhere when it gets to competing for anything, which to Alexis has always been one of the most important things that this sport can provide, so he really wanted to move on, and go wherever else he thought had his same "hunger" in reaching the same goals as what he expected from the game. And at the time being, it was M.City the team that was promising him the best prospects for that to happen (there were also other teams also interested, but what they were offering was less atractive for him, where of course money was also important).
No problem about all your questions.
Although keep in mind that my answers, are basicly my personal point of views regarding the issue, which not necessarily means that they are correct (I could perfectly be, completely wrong here)
Thanks very much. And as for this:
I'll certainly be sure to take everything regarding Sanchez, Pep, City and us with a pinch of salt. It's been interesting to think about the situation from the point of view that Sanchez wasn't necessarily keen to play for Pep, contrary to what the entire media would have us believe, but ultimately I'm just glad he's here and am looking forward to watching him go.
This is quite interesting. I wonder how long we will be on that horrible web platform for - update it and like you said the world could be the oyster! We could maybe even integrate the caf on there ;-)
chilean media reporting about this.......I hope all of you sing better than this...
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What a signing he is turning out to be.. Completely professional, very high work ethic, gives his all on the pitch and is just pure quality!!
Isn't it time to close this thread or merge it into the performances thread
He's like a faster Suarez. Amazing player.
because he's been lacking so far
If Martial had his drive to win, he'd secure back to back ballon d'or
He is like a smaller Cristiano Ronaldo.
lol - all these stories about Alexis being a mercenary and going to the highest bidder. To be honest, I think he's giving mercenaries a good name. He's come in and already is showing a hunger and urgency the existing offensive line (watched the superbowl last night!) is just lacking.
Of course this mirror story could be complete tosh, but it's nice to think that someone coming here see's this as part of the journey to better things (trophies, etc) not as the destination. If you play for Man Utd you still need to be driven to improve.
I'm hoping it will rub off.
Same could be said of Di Maria after his first couple of games here. To early to conclude that Sanchez is a success ( or a failure of course), just enjoy the wins.
Based on? You're overrating him massively.
Sanchez? Na, his mentality is world class. The way he chases lost causes is amazing.
From the look of his nose I'd say his chants haven't gone down well.
I was meaning Martial. He's shown nowhere near enough for you to say that IMO.
Not yet. We know he could beat a man, dribble, score. He's missing the drive to do that consistently, which i wished he had.
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