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Ander Herrera 2016-17 Performances

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6.4 Average rating
50 Appearances
3 Goals
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15 Yellow cards
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  1. Jul 23, 2016
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    criticalanalysis Full Member

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    I'd hate to say it but yes your points are true. His range even in his first season and those times of good periods of play were 'limited'.

    However, playing in a super slow formation (i.e no runners, no spacing etc), team mates scared of the ball when pressed, scared of making mistakes etc etc will make any midfielder look average and his attacking strengths are currently not being exploited.

    Herrera should be our version of Matuidi and Rakitic etc i.e the running, the tackling, the overlaps, the extra option in midfield couped with the passing nous. Veratti and Motta wouldn't work and neither would Iniesta and Busquets on their own. Likelywise Modric and Kroos didn't work (consistently) and it was only when Zidane brought in an extra midfielder did they find more stability.

    Herrera shouldn't be expected to replace your no 10 or defensive midfielder. That should be Miki/Pogba's jobs and Schneiderlin/Schweini's respectively.
  2. Jul 23, 2016
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    OldTrevil Full Member

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    Its safe to assume now that Mourinho will play 4231, but I don't think we will begin to see glimpses of his plans until the 4th signing is done (hoping it's Pogba of course). With that I can see 433 being imployed with Herrera and Pogba the two box2box mids alongside a deep lying one.
  3. Jul 23, 2016
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    izec Full Member

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    He overhits way too many passes for my liking.
  4. Jul 24, 2016
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    criticalanalysis Full Member

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    Yeah I think it's over-enthusiasm, he sees the 1-2 or through ball and wants to play it. I think if given game time, he will have a better measure of tempo and timing.

    He has such lovely technique but he has trouble reigning it in, which is why it was a massive problem to play so conservatively under LVG.
  5. Jul 29, 2016
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    RedTiger Full Member

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    Why is juventuz forum constantly saying they might sign Herrera? Is there any truth to this?
  6. Jul 29, 2016
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    I think they mean Hector Herrera the mexican.
  7. Jul 29, 2016
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    SwansonsTache incontinent sexual deviant & German sausage lover

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    Herrera looked good in the start of his United career. I will therefore reserve judgement on him until after this season, since I suspect he might have been philosophized.
  8. Jul 29, 2016
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    RedTiger Full Member

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    That makes alot more sense, cheers tadpole:)
  9. Jul 29, 2016
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    Funny thing is it was reported he had agreed terms with Napoli a month or so back, now Juventus are supposedly in for him?
  10. Jul 29, 2016
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    SwansonsTache incontinent sexual deviant & German sausage lover

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    They mean the Mexican guy Hector Herrera who plays for Porto. He is actually quality.
  11. Jul 29, 2016
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    He is, but Napoli won't be happy if Juventus have just taken their star striker and then take a midfielder from under their noses. Juventus are spending even more money, so Pogba on his way.
  12. Jul 29, 2016
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    SwansonsTache incontinent sexual deviant & German sausage lover

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    Pogba IMO is done and dusted. It will be announced sometime next week, since this weekend is all about Zlatan and Zlatan's first United game in Sweden. For me the Adidas commercial sealed it. Don't mind the doomsayers in the Pogba thread, they are the kind of people that crywank themself to sleep every night.
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    Jul 30, 2016
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    the hea Full Member

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    He won't last long under Mourinho if he keeps on performing like he has so far.
  14. Jul 30, 2016
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    My favourite player in his first season here. Awful second season.

    He seems to have lost the ability to do the most basic things right.

    If he starts the season with the same garbage displays as last, then my patience with him will quickly diminish.

    Needs to concentrate more on what is happening on the pitch and how plays are developing. A lot of the time he just looks like a dog chasing a rabbit around a field - closing the ball down with no real idea what is going on around him. He has no idea how to position himself in defensive scenarios.

    Love his attitude and passion but needs to buck up his ideas, along with his midfield partner today.
  15. Jul 30, 2016
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    Drainy Full Member

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    He's like a latter day Steven Gerrard without the talent
  16. Jul 30, 2016
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    Been awful for over a year now. Either needs to step it up or feck off.
  17. Jul 30, 2016
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    Was watching to see if LvG being gone would remove any shackles from his game.
  18. Jul 30, 2016
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    Love the guy, really do, but if he keeps this up then he can leave. Hasn't looked good since his first season.
  19. Jul 30, 2016
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    C'est Moi Cantona Full Member

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    Never really convinced, but happy to him given this season to step up.
  20. Jul 30, 2016
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    If he cba to turn and run 5 yards they wouldn't have got the second goal.
  21. Jul 30, 2016
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    tob Full Member

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    Agree with this.
    It is too often he misses the chance to put someone through, by just choosing the simple pass out wide or back home.
    I've seen this many times during the last two seasons. Today it was a pass to Mhkitayran, that he missed, where he instead passed it out out wide to Valencia.

    It's like he always has his mind made up, before he gets the ball, which isn't a bad thing most of the time, but sometimes you have to see what's going in at that moment you get the ball and then make the decision.
  22. Jul 30, 2016
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    Mourinho has given him plenty of time in pre-season and he's not taken his chance, at this point he really doesn't deserve to be starting when it matters.
  23. Jul 30, 2016
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    Getting concerned now for the little guy, didn't cover himself in glory today.
  24. Jul 30, 2016
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    He will likely be Pogba's backup. No disgrace in that. Morgan definitely isn't good sitting as a DM.
  25. Jul 30, 2016
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    Obiorahking_ Full Member

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    He is not the player you want to be sitting deep when we are defending. If we were pressing he would have been much more effective.
  26. Jul 30, 2016
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    Let himself down. Poor outing. Needs to do much much better
  27. Jul 30, 2016
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    His passing is still very erratic especially when he gets closed down quickly he simply panics which is weird since he's not only Spanish but also played under none but the great Bielsa.
  28. Jul 30, 2016
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    bond19821982 Full Member

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    got a long break , he did his hardwork while on vacation. still struggling. early signs are not encouraging. cant try at 10 as well - Mata, Mikhi, Rooney and even Zlatan would play better than him.
  29. Jul 30, 2016
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    Daft thing is, the way we played 2nd half might have suited him more.
  30. Jul 30, 2016
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    Obiorahking_ Full Member

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    Definitely. We started out the second half playing with do much intensity and directness in our play, someone thigh that Herrera thrives on.
  31. Jul 30, 2016
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    Devil may care Full Member

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    Still don't think we'll see the best of him in the double pivot.
  32. Jul 30, 2016
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    Eddy_JukeZ Full Member

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    He's best as the furthest forward midfield I think.

    But with Pogba coming in, Herrera will have to take a backseat.
  33. Jul 30, 2016
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    Devil may care Full Member

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    As long as we continue with the 4-2-3-1 I don't see him doing all that well for us regardless.
  34. Jul 30, 2016
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    Eddy_JukeZ Full Member

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    I don't think 4231 suits our team at all to be honest. Best to go 433 imo
  35. Jul 30, 2016
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    I doubt we'll play double pivot formation. We don't have midfielders for it, neither Herrera nor Pogba feel natural in that role. I think they would work good in 4-3-3 though.
  36. Jul 30, 2016
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    To me having two sitting in front of the defence, they both have to be defensively disciplined. It was never going to work today. Morgan is not a DM and Ander prefers to go forward, which leaves it wide open. I prefer 4-3-3 like you. Carrick can do it, but if he wants two in front of that defence, he needs another DM. Not sure Pogba would work there either. He wants to get forward as well.
  37. Jul 30, 2016
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    Devil may care Full Member

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    I agree but as long as we are accommodating the captain we'll be using 4-2-3-1 I feel.
  38. Jul 30, 2016
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    Eddy_JukeZ Full Member

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    Yeah I agree. Pogba is wasted in a holding role imo.
  39. Jul 30, 2016
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    Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell New Member

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    what the heck is a 'double pivot formation'?
  40. Jul 30, 2016
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    The difference between first and second half team performance had a lot to do with his inept display. Been hapless so far this pre-season. Mourinho won't have been impressed.
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