Angel Gomes | 2017/18 Performances

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  1. Jan 26, 2018

    Dumat12 obviously doesn't know moses

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    It is in football. The low center of gravity helps a lot with the control of the ball, like toher people here said. That's why Messi and Hazard can dribble past 5-6 players with ease while Ronaldo in his best days struggled to do shit like that.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    If being 5'6 was an advantage in professional football the league would be full of lads who were 5'6. But it's not so it isn't. Not a weird thing to say. Just the truth. Being tiny doesn't mean you can't make it. It just doesn't help.
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    Carl S Bridge New Member

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    Honestly do you not think Messi would be a better player if he was 6"4? He would reach more headers... His legs would be longer so he could run faster, he could reach more passes ect... Physically there is no weakness to being stronger, fitter, faster or taller. Messi at Ronaldo's height would be even more impressive
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    SteveW Full Member

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    It helps in ONE specific part of football. The ability to change direction quickly. But football isn't just that. As I said above if being tiny was an advantage there would be a lot more tiny players at the top of the game. I guarantee Angel and the entire coaching staff would love if he could gain a few inches because it would make things easier for him. It doesn't mean he can't be a great player though
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    Dumat12 obviously doesn't know moses

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    Really? Hazard, Messi, Neymar, Sanchez (if you will), Modric, Silva, Iniesta, Aguero, Ronaldo are all the best players in the world, and which the exception of Ronaldo, none of them is particularly tall.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    Where have I said small players can't be good. I've just said it's not an advantage.
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    BluesJr Full Member

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    Nope because he wouldn’t have his same dribbling ability. It’s physics.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    This thread is hilarious. Let's hope Angel never grows another inch. I'd hate to see him lose his dribbling ability. *Physics*
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    Idxomer New Member

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    Is he really 1.68m? He looks shorter than that.
    Anyway people are kidding themselves if they think him not getting bigger wont decrease his chances of making it, most of the players mentioned are also very strong in their build. He's till very young though and hopefully he'll be getting the best advice on how to reach his potential because he looks a real talent.
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    Dumat12 obviously doesn't know moses

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    You literally said there aren't "a lot more players at the top of the game", yet 90% of the top bracket is made of manlets. We can go back in history if you like where the best players - Xavi, Pele, Scholes, Maradona were also all short. Low height is definitely an advantage in football, to deny this is mind-boggingly stupid.
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    BluesJr Full Member

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    You just don’t really understand.
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    Irish Jet Full Member

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    He's not wrong. While dribbling ability isn't dependent on height a lower centre of gravity is definitely an advantage for making balanced agile movements on the ball.
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    Phil Full Member

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    I see you don't remember his days with us
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    It can be an advantage just like being tall can be, but often isn’t in football simply because your legs get too long for great close control, nimble dribbling and agility.

    If you look at many good players that are small, they share some characteristics that are somewhat down to their physical stature. They are often very quick off the mark but lack real top speed, such as Iniesta and to an extent Messi, who is overall faster. They often stop quicker and are more nimble. Shorter legs probably give them a relative advantage strength wise. Most great dribblers also seem rather on the small side. Then there are the obvious disadvantages
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    Rossa Full Member

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    Ronaldo always needed more space and trickery than Messi who uses his body to twist between people in tight spaces. Giggs could do both.
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    Phil Full Member

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    Please God no comparisons, please. He did used to dribble past a lot of players in his days for us. Agree or disagree? End it there.
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    Raees Boing Boing Baggies

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    Messi at 6 4 would be half the player. Stop being so thick
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    BluesJr Full Member

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    Mind boggling stuff :lol:
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    Every time I see people moaning about players being too short all I think is: they must be following United for only a couple of years or something. Because I'm still traumatised by those midgets running rings around us in the European final in 2011.

    Granted you have to be an amazing footballer to hold your own between all those giants, but in the case of Gomes I definitely can see that there is something special talent wise.
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    Rossa Full Member

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    He did! Different style though. As I said, Giggs was more the have your cake and eat it, and I think he was a better dribbler than Ronaldo. At United, I agree that Ronaldo was a great dribbler though. Agreed? Ending it?
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    You guys are both simplifying it massively. Being small, and thus having a low centre of gravity, can be a huge advantage IF you have great balance, speed and technique. Thats why there aren't teams full of players who are 5'6, because for every extremely talented short player, there are 20 average short players. Same goes with tall players; your height is an advantage, but if you don't have good technique people can turn that against you.

    In the case of Angel, his low centre of gravity is certainly an advantage because he has great technique and in particular great close control. It means he will be able to change direction quickly and use taller players' size against them.
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    golden_blunder I hate football. Getting grumpier by the second Staff

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    Why arguing about height?

    Paul scholes. End of argument
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    Dumat12 obviously doesn't know moses

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    I remember them well. He was a good dribbler, but nothing really special and he often lost the ball. He also needed to use a lot of trickery to move past his opponents, unlike Messi who just glides through them. Ronaldo was a great dribbler, but never a world class one, never on the same level as Hazard or Messi for example (even in his peak United days).
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    Spirit of Solskjaer Full Member

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    Ronaldinho is for me the greatest dribbler of all time and he wasn't particularly short, 5 ft 11 in (181 cm). Then again he did have a low centre of gravity, always thought he had this weird way of running with the ball where he was sort of squatting the whole time :lol: And of course not everyone is Ronaldinho, so being shorter covers some of the shortfall of talent.
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    Just quoting this because it made me laugh
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    Raees Boing Boing Baggies

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    In agreement or against...
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    cue 12 pages of Ronaldo Vs Messi.
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    In agreement, I was the one who started all this by claiming I hope he doesn’t grow much taller because that low centre of gravity will be key for him.
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    Really hope we keep having him on the bench for other "suitable" games.
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    Dumat12 obviously doesn't know moses

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    Maybe you should have accepted it rather than continue proving my point by quoting it for no reason, don't you think?
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    How about Messi at 5'10?
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    Yup. Like don’t get me wrong getting to say 5 9 would be ideal or 57 that sort of height gives you best of both worlds but no way do the best dribblers be over 6ft. You definitely lose agility with greater height and weight to carry.. it would completely change his game if he was 6ft plus. As for Pogba his sheer size prevents him from passing and moving like a Modric despite his quick feet but his height gives him his own unique qualities which Modric doesn’t possess.

    Every height has its advantages and disadvantages.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    How does that work? :lol:

    Seriously though. If you had the option to make him 5'9 would you take it?

    Do you really think he'd have a better chance at 5'6?
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    To reiterate this, why the feck are people talking about his height? I can’t see a single reason why it would matter, and if it would, please give an example of where height has hindered a player.
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    Dumat12 obviously doesn't know moses

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    5'9 isn't really tall though, is it?
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    If your good enough your size doesn’t matter. Obviously if we had a team full of players as quick and strong as Paul Pogba it’d be great, but that’s never going to happen.

    He looks very slim, I’d imagine the coaches will want him to put on a bit of weight over the next year or so.

    Thought he’d scored when he hit that shot, really pleased he got on at the end as I was beginning to think he wouldn’t.
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    Point me to the post where I said I'd prefer if he was 6 foot. You're here throwing around phrases like "mind bogglingly stupid" yet you don't seem to be even reading the posts you're responding to.
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    Crouch's feet are so far away his brain usually doesn't know what they're doing.
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    Spirit of Solskjaer Full Member

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    The way Jose said "greedy Gomes" :lol::lol:
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