Another transfer window would not solve our footballing, It's all about Mourinho's approach.

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  1. Feb 22, 2018
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    deafepl Full Member

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    First of all, I don't care if we need another transfer window to spend a lot of money or so on new players such as CM to partner Pogba and Matic in 4-3-3 and fullbacks but Mourinho won't change his approach against opponents even though if he had Messi and Ronaldo at his disposal.

    I'd be happy with 0-0 if we created a lot of chances but we didn't and that's a problem. Mourinho is delighted with our performance and said beautiful football is not giving our opponents what they want. Wtf is that? Parking the bus against the team like Sevilla is too vulnerable at the back which we should exploit. We look like Everton side with many great talents individually at our disposal, it's unacceptable for a club like Manchester United who happens to be one of biggest and wealthiest club in the world.

    Since Mourinho took over United, he added Pogba, Lukaku, Matic, Bailly, Lindelof, Sanchez then apparently, it's not enough, given our performance against a quality team, it's not because of the players that are not good but it's all down to Mourinho tactical. LVG didn't have Pogba, Lukaku, Matic, Bailly, Sanchez at his disposal in 2014-16 but he outperformed Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and City in big games.

    LVG's first season against Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs, he picked up 18 points from possible 30 points and same in 2015/16.

    Mourinho's first season against top 5 sides, he picked up 10 points from possible 30 points

    Does our squad is not enough to challenge City or Liverpool? LVG has beaten them multiples time without Lukaku, Pogba, Matic, Bailly in his starting lineup team. LVG also has beaten Arsenal with half our reserves team, we don't need a top player/world class player to challenge City, Liverpool or even Spurs in games but it's Mourinho, even if he sign better players, he still won't change his approach.

    LVG haven't had a instant success in the transfer window, whereas Mourinho does. One of LVG's biggest weakness is due to his record against 10 bottom teams in the league and always vulnerable to counter-attack, this is the reason why United was underperforming in 2014/16.

    Having said, I don't think we should give Mourinho another transfer window to improve otherwive it'd be waste of money we would spend on but will always behave like the underdog and bullied into submission by a team like Sevilla. Mourinho needs to change his footballing tactic. I'm tired of hearing often from many people begging for new world class CM like Kross and fullbacks, claiming if we sign them, we'd be a lot better and will be a lot stronger, this is not the first time people actually said that but it is same as in 2016 when we signed Mhki, Pogba and Zlatan.

    There's no excuse for Mourinho needing another transfer window, all I want is Mourinho to change his tactical, this is all I'm asking for because I can't stand his tactical anymore.
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    I don't mind him being pragmatic but the problem is it seems he is not spending enough time with our attackers. Our attacking football is regressing as the season is ending and that is not right.

    Also, he should play his best 11. It's like he signed a world class player in Sanchez and benched another top player in pogba and our best attacker martial . He has to figure how to attack also. Otherwise all this defensive work is one gigantic waste of time.
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    His tactics are generally used by lower teams playing against us. We have so much quality up front, but he chooses to park the bus. Yes, it's pragmatic, but it's quite boring.
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    This definitely couldn't have gone in one of the many other threads full of people moaning.
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    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

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    Completely agreed. I was baffled with his comments yesterday about the game being very equal. Sevilla completely dominated us in every statistic and were unlucky to find DDG in inspired form. 1 shot on target is a disgrace and he has the cheek to say it was an even game. The fact that he isn't bothered with a performance like that speaks volumes. We could have Ronaldo and Messi in our team and still park the bus. I can't wait to see the back of him so we can finally enjoy watching United again.
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    its clear that our attacking effectiveness relies on individual brilliance rather than any kind of coherent game plan

    last night you were hoping for a killer pass from a player or a great cross or finish

    obviously in Mourinho's United better quality players = better individual contributions

    it's the major failing of Mourinho that he is unable to create a dynamic attacking side. Does he even recognise the issue? does he not see what we see? or is he simply clueless to fix it as this is no new thing.

    if we signed a quality pair of full backs, a playmaker in midfield and a right attacker we'd certainly improve but it would have nothing to do with Mourinho and everything to do with the individuyal quality of the players
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    Except we didn't park the bus against Sevilla. We actually did nothing and were generally terrible. If we had parked the bus, Sevilla wouldn't have 21 shots against us.

    It wasn't vintage Jose, it was just pure trash.
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    So far:
    Klopp's approach- zero trophies , 350 mil spent( including keita)
    Guardiola's approach- zero trophies, 550 mil spent
    Pochettino's approach- 300 mil spent, zero trophies
    Conte's approach- 400 mil spent, one (huge) trophie
    Mourinho's approach- 350 mil spent, 3 trophies.
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    He wasn’t totally wrong, even though we were outplayed. They only had two proper efforts and the others were never a danger. Statistical shots, as he put it. I certainly never felt they were going to score, aside from that wonder save we could have stuck Phil Jones in goal and probably would have been ok.
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    Mate, that trick is to create a new thread when your own moaning is being drowned out by others. It's not fun when you don't get any attention
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    Why do I get the feeling you've exaggerated these figures or even used gross spend to prove your point? I mean losing a player like Coutinho should be relevant enough to use net spend instead
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    Even if he bought two fullbacks, a playmaker to partner Matic and Pogba you would still struggle as Mourinho always has his full backs too deep.

    I look at it like this, would Bayern, Barcelona, or Real Madrid play like that against Sevilla? Would they defend so deep against Ajax? I know he sometimes gets results doing so but for a club of your stature it's embarrassing, especially given your resources.
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    It’s infuriating to see us playing hoofball from the get go. I am fine with the 0-0 result too, but it was solely due to DDG and not much else. And Jose can’t make excuses about our attack anymore. Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Sanchez and Mata are more than good enough for any team. Especially considering that two of them are big money PL proven signings made my Jose himself.

    But the one positive thing is that Jose has made quality signings in his tenure more often than not. Can’t say the same for LVG, except Martial. Worst case scenario, at least he is leaving us with a very good squad for the next manager.
  14. Feb 22, 2018
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    Devil may care Full Member Verified Moaner

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    I don't think it would matter who we signed either, the approavh wouldn't change, it's who he is.

    Are you counting the charity shield?
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    Phil Full Member

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    Oh cool another thread
  16. Feb 22, 2018
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    I agreed but as I mentioned that LVG didn't get success in tranfer market as much as Jose but his footballing is much better than Jose's footballing as he outplayed out most of the time against top 6 sides, especially City and Liverpool, our squad should be enough to beat them now with addition of Lukaku, Pogba, Matic, Sanchez, Bailly and Lindelof.

    Jose signed a lot of better player than LVG has signed players but yet he made our footballing so worse and behaved like relegation team and concede a lot of shots to Sevilla and only attempted a shot on target once in the game. This is so unacceptable, That's why I said getting him another transfer window is not going to solve a problem we have.
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    Yeah, if we use this criteria for success, both Moyes and LVG were better than everyone bar Mourinho and Conte, which is a ridiculous notion.
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    It has been obvious since day one that Mourinho has never been the right fit for Man Utd. He brings many positives as a manager; excellent pull in the transfer market, hard to beat, a winning mentality. However, he misses the one thing that all Manchester Utd managers should have which is heart. I know that sounds ridiculously cliche, but what I mean is that a Utd manager should not be concerned with stopping the opposition, they should instead be looking at how we can hurt them. I don't think its a myth to say the best form of defence is attack. If you pin your opponents in their own half and work hard to retrieve the ball as a unit then common sense would say its harder for them to even reach your goal, let alone score. Mourinho has made some fantastic signings in the transfer windows to the point where I honestly think this team (on paper) is up there with the top teams around, so its about time that we get to watch some of that talent fulfilling their potential rather than just going through the motions.
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    TLDR: I want Mourinho gone
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    Agree with OP. Since he arrived, Jose has consistently delivered in line with the minimum that could be reasonably expected given the resources he's been allowed. At the age of 55 he's already a relic. A marginal improvement on van Gaal with more money and better PR.
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    So do I, not because he is a threat but because every time I see a game like United v City, United v Madrid, I should look forward to these type of games but Mourinho stinks them out with his tactics.

    The game at Anfield, a lot of your fans told me that the reason you played like that was because Pogba was injured. I think that is nonsense, he would of still played the same way. I have never once in my lifetime seen a Mourinho team go toe to toe with a good side. Even Burnley showed more ambition at Anfield.

    Your squad is good enough to be playing much better football, the idea of him saying that the reason City are so far ahead is down to resources is ridiculous. It's down to tactics.
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    I honestly think Manchester United have become obsessed with Galactico kind of signings, yep you know the one, the one that sell shirts and is very very high profile. Let me guess at some of the signings that are been spoken about for next season: Griezmann, maybe an ageing Ronaldo, Kane, Sergej Milinkovic-Savic, yes all very high profile and all of them potential game changers but without a vision of where they actually fit within a team structure mean yet more money thrown at the problem. I know the market is insane but when was the last low priced gem brought into the team.

    On a side note, Pogba reminds me of a certain Sebastian Veron who came from the Italian league (slower pace) and couldn't hack the pace of the Premier League. Maybe Fergie got it wrong with Veron but got it right with Pogba.
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    Many threads saying the same thing.
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    Trophy is a trophy. If we count europe and world super cups why don't count that
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    This time last year people were writing City off and saying that Pep was a flop and had been found out. This year he's the Messiah again.

    Our squad is good to a point, and I have to agree that some of the football has been awful but it's not as bad as it's being made out to be; we're still in the CL and second in the league. The Spurs and Newcastle matches had me pulling my hair out watching them.

    We've never been a team to press hard and I never expected it to be any different to that with Mourinho's arrival. I did expect more going forward at times and I'm never happy with one or two shots on target per game. I'm not sure what happened though. At the start of the season we were thumping everyone 4-0 so I know we can do it but for whatever reason it's regressed.

    Still happy to have Mourinho here, I said TLDR with regards to the OP.

    Also, I can't remember the last time I truly looked forward to a "big" match with one of our rivals. Okay, maybe looked forward to is the wrong phrasing, I always look forward to them, but the last time I was optimistic to us beating a top side was a long time ago, probably in one of Fergusons last seasons - although the swashbuckling football was on the wane for his last few years IIRC.
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    Devil may care Full Member Verified Moaner

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    It's a glorified friendly, all of those pre season "super" cups are.
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    Mourinho's had to replace Utd's all time top goalscorer, not to mention all the other Fergie players who'd reached the end of their careers and not been properly replaced in the meantime. It's hardly like he was coming in, just having to add a couple of finishing touches to an already top squad.
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    :D Okay, I grinned.

    That's the thing, perform well in football and suddenly opinions change, eg. this manager/this team is right, tactics spot on best in the world, this player is a god world class, etc. Unfortunately for us, we're not hot at the moment, hence people blast our manager/team eg. we're dreadful, mourinho is wrong, etc. Imagine if we won convincingly performing dominately with Mourinho's approach, then suddenly people will sing his name.

    As for the latter bolded parts, yup. Understandably, many posters are concern at the moment, hence these many negative reactions.
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    Water Melon before it dries out, eh

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    Can we have net spent? Also league positions by top 6 clubs in the last 3 years?
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    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

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    Stick by him and back him in the summer. It's the only option for me.

    Our main issues right now.

    1. Lack of a quality left back and lack of continuity with the back four means they need protecting which means extra work for the midfield.
    2. Injuries to midfield have made it a shambles in terms of both continuity and managed rotation.
    3. The forwards have suffered because of point 1 and 2.

    Sacking Mourinho is not a solution to any of these issues, backing him in the summer is. If you bring in another manager, you can add more issues because you can guarantee that he will need to address other areas to suit his tactics.

    Replacing managers after a season or two is a vicious circle, with regards to Mourinho people are overreacting to a patch of bad form.
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    Fixed. LC and EL for us. EPL for Spendiola, come on they've won it already even if mathematically not yet.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Van Gaal was the one who got rid of all of those guys except Rooney and Carrick.
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    And they can win a trophy on Sunday.
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    Not saying I agree with everything Mourinho has done or is doing but who on Earth are we going to get instead? I see people here mentioning the likes of Tuchel, I mean are they actually serious? Are people actually convinced a manager of that calibre would do a better job? What the feck has Tuchel done to warrant the United job? There is simply no one else available.
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    It is transfer spent. If we will use net spend then we should analyze inherited squad, etc...
    But i didn't post that because of that. My point was that grass is always greener somewhere else. All that talk how shit we are and how liverpool and tottenham are good.
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    But Mourinho's still the one left with the job of trying to adequately replace them all after LVG failed to do so.
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    Says a lot about LC, I've just check that. :lol: Arsenal to be the third team that demoralise MCity, go Mkhi! Retain the L.Cup.
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    Water Melon before it dries out, eh

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    Shite football, boring to death. Mou's 100% responsible. Looks like he is just throwing money at the problems. Well, anyone can manage like that. Just spend tons of money replace all the players and hope for better without any plan. Do we look solid defensively? No. Do we look more fluid in attack? No. Making top 4 is not the aim. The aim is to win a major trophy. To all those, who say that we should be happy with EL cup, my reply is that I'd happily trade all the trophies that Mou won last season for Conte's or Pep's prem trophy.
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    There's concerned and then there's being over-dramatic at every available opportunity. How many threads are there saying x is awful? You'd think we were staving off relegation reading some of this.

    Our football is a bit flat of late, and we've had a couple of bad results. No denying that. But seriously. 2nd in the league and still in the CL and the FA cup.

    We need to improve in certain areas but so does every team. A few weeks ago Liverpool were down in 6th place or something, Spurs and Chelsea run hot and cold, and we are plodding along and getting to where we need to go. The only team in the country that's not having some sort of problems is City and they just got put out of the FA cup by a league two side, and I can them starting to slow down now that they have other competitions to focus on as well.

    Of course I'd like us to start winning games 4-0 again but at the same time I'm happy enough with how this season is going, and so should most unless you're comparing it against City's season or some sort of imaginary football utopia where we win every game 4-0 and have 20 shots per game and everyone plays a 10.
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    All valid criticisms. I doubt we'll see any improvement in the big games in his time here - it was the same last season and even after another summer of big spending, he was content to go to Anfield with the intentions of sitting back in the opening weeks of the season.

    In fact, the only positive result in a 'big' away game since Mourinho came was Arsenal away. Even then, we conceded loads of chances and were heavily reliant on de Gea keeping us in it after a fast start. It's a shame to see us wasting what should be the best years of quite a few of our attacking players in this way.