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Looked fine when he came on, almost set one up for Sanchez.
Nah, critics that say nobody would pay 60m for him are idiots. I'm comfortable saying that.
Football is all about different opinions, if you can't accept that or can't debate other people's opinions without resulting to name calling, says a lot about you doesn't it and shows me who the 'idiot' really is.
Football is about understanding quality. If you think in this market a player of Martial's quality and age wouldn't fetch well over 60m that's your problem.
Both his and Rashford's ability is far superior to that of Lukaku. Think eventually, he will end up replacing Lukaku.
Not while Mourinho is the coach. Maybe Lukaku will be gone (I personally like Lukaku and think he deserves to stay), but Martial will not be United’s main striker under Mou. I just can’t see it.
Yeah, Martial will definitely not replace Lukaku. It is one thing to cut from wing to inside and another thing completely when 2 center halves and 1 CDM is constantly having their eyes on you.
I like Martial but we all know his off the ball movement is as good as De Gea's! He is excellent when he is running with ball at his feet, but apart from that he is good, but not top. Some of his positioning to receive the ball is poor and also his doesnot press much.
I personally want all three of Martial, Lukaku and Sanchez to start and see how it goes.
Sanchez arrival will hopefully spur him on to develop his game even more - take him to the next level.
The non-sense about Martial’s horrible off the ball movement will continue until he doesn’t play anymore. It might not be great, but surely isn’t as poor as it’s made out to be.
People on here act like Mourinho doesn't see these things in training. Lukaku is just the better striker.
So ridiculous that it's funny. So have a .
I wish he had the same hustle and bustle like Sanchez. When Sanchez loses the ball he chases it straight away (just look at the first goal today) but Martial usually just stops.
Alexis is unique like that. Only Firmino and Fekir do it as constantly as him. We were fortunate to have two class forwards like that in 07/08. It'd be nice to have two again in Alexis and Fekir.
Competition will help him. We've already seen him fight to raise his game when Rashford raised the bar. Sanchez will now raise that bar even higher and pressure Martial to improve. All one can ask is Jose picks the attackers on merit to reward their excellent performances.
That's the thing. There are very few attacking players who actually play like this. Saurez is another one of those who gets angry when they lose the ball and put a lot of energy into winning back the ball.
It's amazing to watch though, seeing a player that can go from sprint to sprint for 90 minutes and is a good footballer is pretty rare even at this level.
That being said I hope he can get inspired and learn a lot from someone like Sanchez.
Lukaku is so underated as a striker. This is his first season at United and his first season as a regular starter at a big club. And let's not forget he is just 24. Let's fix that team next season, improve our midfield plus overall team play and most people will bless the day we bought him. Unless we have a considerably better alternative available, we should stick to him. As a pure striker, I will certainly take him over Martial and Rashford, at least for now.
It is rare, which is why Fekir is my dream signing now that we have Alexis. Not only is he a world class talent, he works as hard as Alexis/Rooney/Tevez.
Certainly the kind of player we should be after. You can just see he is ready for the step up and I just hope we start snapping these kinds of palyers up while they don't cost 100M € yet.
He's got a lot of talent but the issue would be that we'd be buying him to play as a 10 in easier games but a RW in a 4-3-3 with Pogba, our new CM and Matic, and we really have no idea how Fekir would do in that role.
Even if some of them do, it doesn't really say much. I bet most of them are typical kids who are drooling over his dribbling skills. Watching clips on youtube and not the actual games, probably. Skilful dribblers often get immature fans who are blinded by the entertainment and aren't able to see the big picture.
He is obviously a good player and has a lot of potential to get better but I think he's overrated by a lot of people.
I think hes pretty great, Im a total fanboy
I think he'll be back in the team before long anyway. If he keeps up this seasons form, space will be found for him.
I was kind of disappointed by Sanchez positioning too but ...
I can see the sense in letting Sanchez find his feet in a familiar position.
January transfers are tough and i imagine it'll be a few games before we settle again.
It was a perfect game for Mata today too and he had a good match so its hard to find fault with making life easy and resetting the team a bit.
It was warranted after the shambles against Spurs.
Aren't able to see the big picture? He's not just flashy skills, he's one of the most productive players in the league per 90 minutes played. Not only in goals scored and assists, but generally in creating chances for others and for himself. So it's not like a good run of finishing or assists where he does little himself. He's genuinely been one of the top 10 attackers in the league for pretty much most metrics.
He needs to play more with Alexis. Playing with WC players who also plays in similar position will show what needs to be done in different circumstances. Martial could learn a lot from Alexis.
Alexis is the best LW we have so unless Mourinho moves him I think Martial has a little problem here.
I would like to see him play CF for a few games in a row. He could be leathel there.
Just because you bring in a World Class attacker, you don't ship out a player who will become World Class in a few years. Martial has genuine talent, he is just young and learnin'.
today's tactics and
Pogba for McTominay
Martial for Lukaku
But Mou won't make it happen
I think Sanchez will be a great influence on him. If Martial watches the star attacker in the side play with that level of intensity you would think he could only improve.
What really encouraged me was that front 3 at the end of the game. It seemed like it only eventuated because Lukaku picked up a knock and Alexis was knackered but Sanchez playing as a false 9 opening up space for Rashford and Martial to drive into looked potentially devastating.
In a team that relies so heavily on Lukaku it's good to have a different style in which to attack.
Long term, I still think Martial has a key role to play as a first team starter. The attack got extremely narrow with Alexis, Mata and Lingard in the first half. It really lacked someone who can hold some width and run at the full back.
His stats look good but they don't show the whole picture. He has a number of flaws in his game, but they often get overlooked by his fans. I'm not gonna go into all of those because it's already been discussed plenty of times.
The worst thing for me is how often he loses the ball and creates turnovers. And he doesn't make an effort to chase back either. His stats for total goals and assists is almost identical to Rashfords and Lingards. In the PL, he has just 2 goals more than Lingard, is worse than him defensively and loses the ball more than any of our attackers. He doesn't even have more key passes than Lingard and Lukaku, while Mata has almost twice as many, and Rashford has slightly less.
Why don't we get all the hype around Lingard then? Because he isn't a dribbler.
This is all hypothetical of course but I'd put him in a 3 with Pogba and Matic. I won't go on about it here in the Martial thread as I've already explained why I think he could make the transition in Fekir's thread.
It's a myth that attacker just doesn't give a shite losing the ball. While some has great work rate, many put into acceptable level of workrate when losing the ball, not in possession. Martial is just not getting involved enough in game for the kind of talent he has.
Lukaku is the only pure striker we have the moment and won't be replaced anytime soon, but for me, he needs to be doing better, at least against the likes of Huddersfield. He got the goal yesterday, but performed a bit like how Rooney was performing for us in his last few seasons.
Benching both Martial and Pogba was a good move from Mourinho. Hope Martial learned something and develops into the player we want him to be.
It’s bad enough to stop him from becoming a truly great player. The lad has everything else pretty much, but his off the ball movement needs a massive amount of work.
The likes of Shearer, RVN, Owen, Lineker and even batistuta never relied on skill and dribbling ability, they all had that natural ability to make the perfect run to be in the right place at the right time.
If Martial can improve his off the ball movement and anticipation to make the right runs he could become deadly. I love seeing him smash in 20 yard screamers, but I’d love to see him getting in the right position for tap ins too.
He did try making a run as part of the 1-2 he had with Pogba at 45s
You're right about him defensively. Offensively (league), his stats are what you expect from someone in his position.
Better mins/key pass than Lingard and Rashford and similar region to the other wingers in Mane, Salah, Sterling and Sane.
Best conversion out of them all with similar mins/shot to the others.
His mins/unsuccessful touch or dispossession is definitely disappointing. Only Alexis is worse but he makes up for it in terms of tackles and interceptions.
Defensively, from these names, only Salah is worse across the board.
If he had Lingard’s work rate, runs and movement he would be a complete player. Don’t expect him to ever be that clever with his runs and movement but at the end of the day that’s what is stopping him from being an undeniably elite player.
Fair points you’re making, but Sanchez (probably?) loses the ball the most out of our attackers. Not saying this as a criticism (either to your post or Sanchez as a player), as I love how Sanchez makes things happen. Martial obviously is just plainly not as good as Sanchez and therefore we aren’t excusing him giving away the ball like we do when Sanchez tries things. Also, and it must be said, it simply pays off more for Sanchez than it does for Martial. Anyway, my point is that I think we should be patient with Martial, particularly with regard to how often he loses the ball. He’s trying things, they don’t always come off, but he’ll get better.
I think it's his consistency more than anything, but not many players are consistent at that age.
Agreed. I said something similar earlier.
I’d like to see a bit more aggression from him in his pursuit of the ball. His approach can come across as a little languid at times.
The very best attackers have great movement and anticipation and it’s what his game lacks the most.
My only gripe with him is that he doesn't play with purpose or intensity when he has the ball. Alexis plays with purpose with or without the ball and quickens the tempo which is something that Martial doesn't do as much as I'd like to see because he has the ability. Even Tahith Chong who now plays in the u-23 team immediately upon receiving the ball explodes and wants to make things happen and plays with great intensity wanting to take the game to the opposition. Kluivert at Ajax is another young wide player that is similar to Chong in that regard.
Martial for someone who has very good dribbling skills and pace is too passive in alot of games considering he has the tools to show so much more.
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