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Apathetic Fanbase

Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by TrueRed79, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:48.

  1. Apr 17, 2019 at 10:48
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    TrueRed79 Full Member

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    Why have we turned this way? Why is it that we have seemed to accept mediocrity and owners who are completely clueless in how a football club is run. You see people on this forum defending them simply because they have spent some money, unbelievable really. They have WASTED all the money they have spent. They have underinvested for years. Bled the club dry and paid themselves dividends in the millions. Why aren't fans protesting at games. We sing songs and support the team but we've got to a point where a message needs to be sent to them. Theres talk of them selling up, well that can't come quick enough can it? But it's all speculation and in the meantime they need to know that the way they are running the club is completely unacceptable. It's been the worst transition in history after Fergie retired. Enough is enough. So pissed off with it.
  2. Apr 17, 2019 at 10:51
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    breakout67 Full Member

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    The owners have spent ZERO. Everything we have spent is self generated.

    "Unfortunately, we are talking about a commercial club, not a football club. I spoke to Ferguson about this and in his last years, he also had problems with it."

    - LVG
  3. Apr 17, 2019 at 11:06
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    TrueRed79 Full Member

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    Do people realise absolutely nothing will change till they and Woodward are gone? Looking around here, i don't think they do.
  4. Apr 17, 2019 at 11:22
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    K2K Full Member

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    Because there is a sense of 'good fans don't complain but stick by their club through thick and thin'
  5. Apr 17, 2019 at 11:46
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    beedoubleyou Full Member

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    What do you want them to do? Sack the manger? Sign players outside of a transfer window?

    What good is relentless and lazily-thought out whinging on the Internet going to do?

    It's about building for the future now and it's already started.

    There's zero point in getting worked up.

    You can always go on Twitter and racially abuse Ashley Young for not not being a very good defender.

    It's not apathy, it's just being realistic and accepting that nothing can be done right now.
  6. Apr 17, 2019 at 11:47
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    Congratulations on being a good fan. I look forward to seeing what your efforts achieve.
  7. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:09
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    Lookatu New Member

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    Read the Barca thread mate.
    I think you may edit this to pathetic fanbase.
    Everytime United lose It hits home as to just how many absolute snowflake cretins we have as fans. I don' think anyone has accepted what's going on behind the scenes, half of them can't accept losing to Barcelona in the Nou Camp ffs.
    I think the real issue is most people are cnuts, I've run the numbers on this and it really does add up!
  8. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:23
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    I'm too old (36) to get worked up about it anymore.
  9. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:25
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    Ali Dia Full Member

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    Same here, I generally stay away from here while everyone is venting. I’ve said it for years our recruitment strategy and scouting is balls and that’s all there really is to it. They are spending the money alright but the execution is way off.
  10. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:31
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    NoLogo Full Member

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    Dude I'm two years older than you and I have been pissed at Woodward for years. So either you are or I am doing something wrong here. :lol:
  11. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:38
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    The blame lies with Woodward not getting a proper structure in place, to determine whether those signings being made are good enough.

    We gave LvG and Mourinho free reigns of the transfer kitty without having anyone having done their homework on them properly, that's where the money was wasted.
  12. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:41
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    The time to protest has been and gone, the reality is we are now like Arsenal. Not good enough on the pitch, poorly run off it and with owners who will only sell when they have milked every last penny.

    The Glazers aren’t going anywhere, very little is changing at the club and soon 6 years will become 10-12 and so on just like Liverpool. Fundamental change is required but isn’t close to happening, this is now what United is.
  13. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:44
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    Still think we need to let the manager decide who we sign.

    We've just had the wrong managers up to now
  14. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:49
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    But one(Moyes) was Fergie's 4th choice?

    The next one was considered some sort of visionary based on his achievements at Ajax

    The last one was considered the only one with the 'personality,' to manage Utd.

    Now we have one 'who understands the club inside and out,'

    They were all meant to be the best choices at the time.
  15. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:50
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    Sadly, that is the truth! Said so over the last season, that this is what it has become
  16. Apr 17, 2019 at 12:56
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    Rozay Master of Hindsight

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    Me too. But until we’ve had a rubbish season with a DoF this horse will continually be flogged.

    I blame our managers for the majority of how things have gone post-Fergie. Some I don’t even blame anyone as such. Just time. Was always going to take a little while. But ultimately, poor tactics, coaching player development etc has always been the blame of the football manager in the time I’ve watched football, and I’ve just turned 30. At United, it’s the Chief exec.

    I see too many other managers just go into clubs, buy a few players (sometimes not even) and turn things around. I think a top manager is given as much support as he needs at United, generally speaking.
  17. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:04
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    Drz Full Member

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    I tend to agree with you.
    The laughable part is the amount of people claiming that the signings of Lukaku, Pogba, Matic, Sanchez, Di Maria, Falcao, Fellaini, Mata Schw... were decisions made in concert with our scouts and not the whims of our previous managers.
  18. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:16
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    Vidyoyo Self-confessed coffee shop chat-up expert

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    Because we're being run like a global advertising agency.
  19. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:20
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    And fans have just accepted it, like it was meant to be or something. Find that totally weird and unacceptable. We will protest at managers but not completely incompetent owners and board.
  20. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:26
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    To me that shows exactly why we should not let managers to freely pick who to sign and where DoF is a must. Managers change every few years and when you allow them to sign whoever they want, you have what we have now - unbalanced squad which is a mix of completely different ideas. DoF ensures continuity, even if the manager goes, you look for a new one who has a similar vision and that would suit the team. Ed is absolutely clueless in that area.
  21. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:29
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    Vidyoyo Self-confessed coffee shop chat-up expert

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    Agree we should but I think our board are quite canny. They know how to make business decisions to make it seem like we're moving forward. In reality, we aren't.
  22. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:32
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    We can't do anything about it unless we do something big like somehow stage a mass boycott, but that will never happen.

    The owners literally couldn't care about the football, just as long as we're making money they'll leave things as they are. Woodward hasn't got a clue about setting up a successful football team. Who else is there?

    Maybe Woodward will appease the fans and get a DoF, but it won't be enough. He'll probably have the final say on whatever the DoF wants anyway.

    Club's rotten from top to bottom and we as fans can't do anything about it, all we can do is watch the same mistakes happen every season. Hence the apathy.
  23. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:35
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    No there isn’t! Where does that even come from?
    Being a negative bell as many are is wrong. But everyone is entitled to a moan.
    Club is ran far from ideally. But that’ll change eventually. Seen numerous owners in my time and united have been far far shitter than they are now. But they will always be my club/team.
    I always show respect to the players, yet can still hold an opinion on if they are not the required level, without having to insult them.
  24. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:38
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    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

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    :lol: there's so much wrong in this I don't even know where to begin!
  25. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:47
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    I guess most people are just in the apathetic stage of grieving now. Some people are still in denial, like the OP. Hopefully we'll get the upward turn at some point :lol:
  26. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:53
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    TrueRed79 Full Member

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    Well since you have 72,321 posts on the website im guessing you might tell me why i am....
  27. Apr 17, 2019 at 14:55
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    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

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    Sigh. Ok, I'll start from the bottom:

    Ever hear of the time we got relegated three years after Sir Matt retired?
  28. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:04
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    I don't think it's the Glazers that are to be blamed for this, well not entirely because they do have Ed Woodward in charge. They've lost money paying all the managers that they've sacked. They've spent about 800 odd million after Fergie left the club. And they've also employed managers with an impressive CVs in Mourinho and Van Gaal. It comes down to Ed not fulfilling his job properly. He should have gotten a DOF a while back and still hasn't done it.
  29. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:04
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    Sayros Full Member

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    Is that a fair comparison though? United was nowhere near the financial powerhouse back then, I would assume.
  30. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:13
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    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

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    :lol: FFS. We'd won a European cup six years earlier!!!
  31. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:14
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    Since Fergie retired, we've spent £800m on transfers.
    Last night's team had DDG, Young, Smalling, Jones who Fergie bought.
    Rashford, Lingard, McTominay, who cost nothing.
    This illustrates our problem.
    We've spent money, but have nothing to show for it.
    Of the others, Lindelof, Fred, Martial, Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku and Dalot, how many would you expect to still be here, if we were to become challengers for the top prizes?
    Lindelof? Pogba? It cost us £800m to get to this point.

    How Woodward has survived this, I don't know.
    We need some serious football knowledge in the board room, but I seriously doubt the Glazers will get that right.
  32. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:19
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    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

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    Woodward is someone the Glazers trust. He has one job requirement; keep the money rolling in and he does that very well. It's fair for us to be upset about that in the absence of Fergie levels of success on the pitch but there's no need for rampant hyperbole.
  33. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:27
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    But again, was United then the financial powerhouse they are now? Winning the CL then compared to winning the CL now, the financial rewards are night and day. Football was quite different back then, and you'll know better than I do because I wasn't even born back then, but I'm simply wondering if it was as manageable to have a major rebuild back then, with great players coming in, than it would be for today's United given the massive spending that's been done over the last six years (albeit misjudged spending in retrospect)?
  34. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:30
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    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

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    I was only just born at the time but United were a big club back then and a big club now. Financials aren't that relevant to the transition. We had big name players and brought in big name managers, they failed worse than Moyes, LvG and Mourinho. We dumped George Best in 1974, one of the best players ever.
  35. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:33
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    Did you enjoy your tantrum?

    Who, exactly, are you referring to? I’m genuinely curious. Can you not see lots of criticism directed at the club’s owners and executives on this site and in print media? Or do you spend your life pretending not to see things that are smacking you clean in the bastard jaw?

    What do you want, while we’re at it? An entire stadium walk out because fifth placed Manchester United lost to Barcelona and might not reach the Champions League places? We’re not bloody Blackpool, even if things do get a little frustrating.

    I mean, we’ve won three trophies in the last three seasons and reached the final of another. It really isn’t that bad.
  36. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:36
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    tomaldinho1 Full Member

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    This is what we are and this is what we'll continue to be unfortunately. Let's not kid ourselves, if someone else buys us from the Glazers it won't be for the love of the beautiful game, it'll be because the Glazers have shown we can generate x amount of money.
  37. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:37
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    If he only had the job of keeping the money rolling in, then there would be no reason to even mention his name, other than to pat him on the back.
    Unfortunately, he has been in charge of hiring and firing of coaches and players.
    He has overseen this monumental waste of cash. If he'd had the humility to admit this wasn't his forte, and hired someone to help, we wouldn't be in this mess.
    If you can't comprehend this, then you can take your "rampant hyperbole" and shove it up your arse.
  38. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:41
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    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

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    Sorry, one job requirement as far as the owners are concerned.
  39. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:41
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    Earlier it was Jose, because he was a hate figure
    Now it is the players, because Ole is a club legend.

    It is never Woodward.
  40. Apr 17, 2019 at 15:41
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    I respect your position. And I can understand it: I was totally against hiring Mourinho, and obviously having someone of a footballing acumen over him could have limited some of the damage.

    But, given how some attribute his obvious failings to Woodward, a DoF would have faced the same faith, with a likelyhood that we would have sacked the DoF this year and then Mou the next (Can you just imagine how appalling that would be?).
    Be it a DoF or scouts, it is pointless if the manager does not trust/communicate/buy-into the project/rationale.

    I feel I only hear of DoFs when they jump from one ship to another. Also, given people question Ole's ability to spot talent, what makes the DoF such a super qualified talent spotter? Have these people played the game professionally before? Or are they just the equivalent of Football agents, that have found a way to play FM in real life?

    I totally understand and won't argue against the appointment of a DoF, given that is what the majority want (ironically the majority wanted Mou too), but there are pitfalls with creating that position too.