Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Randall Flagg, Apr 30, 2012.
When you dump half a billion pounds it has to be worth something.
Still two games to go
it'll be weird for a lot of you if city lose to Newcastle and we win the title. That would mean the better team didn't win the title according to this thread. And it means Liverpool were better than us under Rafas 2nd place season.
Whoever wins the title is better and it's not over. Those giving up before it is are rather pathetic.
I saw it Neviller but I've spent the past 20 minutes looking through the other posts. I completely agree with you. My disappointment comes more out of the fact that we had it and let it slip away.
That's what gets me too. City weren't that much better. They definitely threatened more than we did but I dont think they played that well. Being the home side, you wouldn't expect any less in terms of the way they came at us.
It's a sickening performance and depending on the way you look at it, a disappointing season. Just begs the question, where do we go from here?
We obviously have some talented players in our ranks and we've suffered from an unfortunate injury crisis but we still came up short when it mattered. The way we lost bothered me more than the loss itself. We've seen losses like far too much this season.
This may be a learning season as some have pointed out but it's shown us that we need to start moving things in the right direction otherwise we will hit a snag.
Maybe my viewpoint will change and be a bit more positive in the morning but for now, I'm beyond disappointed.
The crushing part is they'll be better next season. Certainly wont fuck up as much as this season and they'll bring in a few, happier, faces to rely on. With some luck they'll have much tougher injuries to deal with... But depending on what they do with the squad, they might be able to cope with significant injuries.
So will we if everyone is healthy. And as much as Tevez says he is happy....
They haven't been a very good team without him.
Also, once these UEFA fair play rules come into effect, City are fucked. Completely fucked.
Why? I thought they'd just get banned from Europe, at worst? Nothing to prevent them here in the EPL, right, or am I mistaken?
They'll just keep spending ....
You think they'll be just happy winning the EPL?
This makes me cringe
But why should it? How can anyone compete against a football team backed by the resources of a small oil-rich country? Platini calls it financial doping, and that's a good description.
Yes, why bother reading the whole thread? I have said the OP has a right to say something, not that what he said was right. Hysterical nonces everywhere. This sudden decision that someone can't decide that one team is better than another without a finalised league table is quite new to me.
We're level on points mate. They cant be that much better than us.
When both clubs are at or near full strength, City are slightly better than us. Its been proven at OT, they nearly came back with 10 men in the Cup, and outplayed us yesterday. We need better players.
I'm not sure there's much in it to be honest. They are technically better than us though. But it's hard to come to conclusions when we mess up with our tactics. They started with a line up meant to control the game. We set up to defend. That's exactly what happened. They controled and we defended. And without your best defender you're always liable to concede from set pieces against players like Kompany and Lescott. Basically we fell into a trap.
Our seasons are identical. There's only a few goals between us.
Well we are competing
The FFP rules are going to have zero effect on teams like City and everybody knows it. There are evidently loopholes in it. In fact, City's stadium deal may already be one, which basically allows them to keep spending as much as they want without hesitation.
The rule is just there so that UEFA can look as if they're doing something.
I said a few weeks ago I've never seen a season before where we've only dropped 2 points when we have been the better team. Usually we lose a couple of times and draw 3-4 times when we deserve to win, whether due to bad luck, poor refereeing or just an inability to score when we are totally dominant.
This season is the first where I've only come out of one game angry - Newcastle at home. Every other game we have dropped points in I was just sad/depressed at the performance, not pissed at the result.
They won the FA Cup by beating us and now they have won the title by beating us again.
The tide has turned.
The real question is will they get stronger?
I dont know where we are heading team wise.
Giggs/ Scholes get another year yet there seems no replacements in sight.
When can you call it time on Anderson?
Berbatov looks to be going as well. Owen?
I'm merely agreeing with him. Don't think I've ever done the same with you, possibly because you never post anything remotely worthwhile.
Thank SAF for that. As someone already said, if he had that City squad they'd have the league won long ago.
Yes. They had too much money not to.
Don't see what the issue is with the OP, it's one man's opinion, and he is entitled to it.
He is probably right too, as of right now City may well be a better side than us and the record against them in the past few competitive games shows. We won the FA cup game but still struggled for a majority and were a man to the good since about the 20th minute. Injuries haven't helped either, but we can't keep blaming them. We went down without really fighting last night, and created nothing. Was just so poor to witness.
The annoying thing is if we hadn't collapsed and let 3 goals in towards the end at OT and lost 3-1 instead of 6-1 we be only 2 goals behind them right now instead of 8.
To the OP - I think you are right. We may be joint on points but they have outplayed us twice this season in the league.
Fergie said last night that united never play for a draw - well, if that attempt last night against our most bitter rivals was playing for a win, then the potential for the way the two teams are heading is huge.
It might of only being one game, but for a team chasing a title we have been shocking of late. City have been superb. I hate them will all my heart but you have to hold your hand up and say they have been the better side.
If we want to challenge again next season, we need to strenghten massively, because City will be better - no doubt about that.
Doncaster should be better than us if they spent that kind of money too.
If we hadn't capitulated against Newcastle or lost against Blackburn when 2-2...........if if if.We could go on. That's sport for you it can hinge on a moment of genius as Rooney's overhead or a moment of indiscretion as our poor defending at one corner.
I don't think City are really that much better than us.
We've got some world class players, Vidic, Rooney, Nani, Valencia etc etc.
Our wings are certainly stronger. Personally I think our defence as a unit is stronger as well. It's just a shame it's been hit with so many injuries.
We are weaker in some areas, but we've got a great squad and we've got a great first 11.
This title race will be won on fine margins. It'll probably go down to goal difference..
I think United have played as well as they could. City should have wrapped the season up well before this the way they were playing. They are not playing at their potential whilst we were. That's the difference.
City 100% >> United 100% but we were better at playing at or near our potential more often. City were not playing at their best consistently but have done enough to win. If City can maintain their peak performance for longer next season then they will be even harder to catch.
I don't think there's any real comparison between the first XI we had out and the first XI they had out last night. And say what you want about injuries, but Vidic was the only real player we have out who Fergie would've played in the game last night. I guess maybe Evans.
They are, on paper and on the field.
The only thing we edge them is experience and winner's mentality, sadly that doesn't show on the pitch last night, therefore mathematically they're better than us last night.
I've only seen first half, but from what i've seen it's Barcelona once again, we failed to have possession at all, playing giggs, scholes, and park in the same line up is a mistake IMHO, they just don't have the legs to chase around the ball
Fletch would have played
Our wide players are without question superior. Defensively it is far closer than many will care to admit.
Clichy, Kolarov, Richards and Zabaleta certainly give them the edge over our fullbacks but obviously we have the better centre backs. Although I would say
Lescott is one of the leagues most improved players.
Joe Hart for now, without doubt their midfield and sadly up front they have us beaten.
It is not a huge gulf by any means. But looking at this season it is hard to argue who has the better squad. We have done remarkably well to nearly win it.
We do have loads of potential. But will take time. In the meanwhile they will not wait for potential and add more established stars.
Lets hope they do a Chelsea, as we have seen with Ballack and Shevchenko.
Umm our wide players are stronger because City don't play with wingers.
People claiming they're a much better side on paper.
Why? Who is better in their first 11?
Hart - Da Gea
Richards - Rafael
Ferdinand - Lescott
Vidic - Kompany
Evra - Clichy
Valencia - Nasri
Carrick - Barry
Nani - Silva
Rooney - Aguero
Welbeck - Tevez
Lindergaard - Pantmillion
Evans - Kolo
Smalling - Savic
Jones - Zabaletta
Young - Johnson
Dzeko - Hernandez
Balliotelli - Berbatov
Fletcher - De Jong
To me the teams and squads are fairly equal. Which is why the title race is the closest in ages.
People do not realise how good our team is.
Historically that seems to be the case.When you have megalomaniac owners the demand for more and more becomes obsessive.
Let's pray for pro democarcy riots in Abu Dhabi
Well they have Johnson and Milner. Although he normally plays centre these days
Our team is not as good as you think.
Oh and Welbeck > Tevez?
They certainly have wide players in their squad. It's just they're often shite (Adam Johnson springs to mind) they just don't play with them because they're nowhere near as good as ours.
Then why are we so close to City?
This is what I want to know, and I'll be waiting a long time for an answer.
If our team is so much worse than City's, why did we go out in the same stage of the CL, knock them out in the FA Cup, beat them in the Charity Shield, and are currently on the exact same numbers as points in the league as them?
Why are we so close in the league, after they've had the least amount of injuries and we've had the most? Why if our squad is so bad, after having about four times as many injuries as City this season, are we level on points?
Anyone care to explain?
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