Are Manchester United Legends Global Legends?

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    Number1 Banned Verified Moaner

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    This is a question is to United fans outside the UK really.

    When i look at other massive clubs similar stature to Manchester United, the likes of Madrid and Barcelona. These clubs have had some massive globally renowed legends play for them, Maradona/L.Ronaldo/C.Ronaldo/Messi/Zidane/Di Stefano/Ronaldinho/R.Carlos (list goes on).

    Looking at Manchester United legends though - Best/Law/Charlton/Edwards/Cantona/C.Ronaldo/Giggs/Scholes/Keane.

    How many of United legends are regarded as legends of the game outside the UK?

    I'd argue other than Best and C.Ronaldo, Manchester United legends are just domestic legends, views?
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    M Bison Full Member

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    Yes I’d say so certainly, but as you say would be interesting to get other views, along with the legends of other clubs, the likes of Lampard, Henry etc
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    Arbitrium Taking a year off

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    Charlton, Law, scholes, Edwards not globally known I’d say. Maybe charlton at a push.
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    Charlton is definitely a global legend, I’d say. You rarely go a United match without him being zoomed in by the camera and mentioned by commentators.
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    Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Schmiechel, van der Sar, Ronaldo, Irwin, van Nistlerooy, Charlton, Beckham.... Not global stars?
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    Charlton spearheaded England's 1966 World Cup win, among many other things. He's up there with Eusebio and Beckenbauer as the biggest names of the 1960s. He most definitely is a global football icon.
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    Sure many of these players are known now, but they will they be remembered in 50 years time outside the UK and be regarded as 'legends' even by none United fans?

    That's my question.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    Charlton was the subject of a renowned Two Ronnies sketch, based on the widely-held notion that Brits abroad would be treated well by foreigners merely for mentioning the name 'Bobby Charlton'...which would bring forth recognition and a smile. That's how famous Sir Bobby is.
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    Irwin? A global star?
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    If Scholes isn't, Roberto Carlos and Fat Frank have got no chance.
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    I can only speak of the Dutch, but here there isn’t a soul who speaks of someone like Scholes in the same breath as Xavi for example. Offcourse everyone knows Cristiano, but he’s mostly looked down upon because of his theatrics on the pitch. And Messi can’t put a foot wrong. I just feel the Dutch don’t have any connection with English sides because of the difference in way of play and that has it’s reflection in who they think are the big stars of the past and present.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    The difference is that we've rarely tried to sign ready-made superstars like Real & co have historically done.
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    Raees Boing Boing Baggies

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    I'd say Beckham, Charlton, Ronaldo and Cantona are our players with truly global appeal but in terms of legendary status for footballing ability and acknowledged globally for their quality ..

    Ronaldo, Charlton and Schmeichel... Best more tricky as I'm not sure how well received he is internationally over the ages. Scholes is well remembered arguably more highly rated abroad but global icon? Not sure about that.
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    Roberto Carlos definitely bigger global legend than Scholes imo. Everyone knows who he is and an all time great to boot.
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    Read a stat today that Alexis Sanchez's signing created more interested around the world online than the Neymar signing. This both made sense and blew my mind at the same time.
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    Probably depends on what part of the world you're from really.
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    Think we definitely have global legends in our history, Best, Charlton, Cantona, Giggs etc... players who embodied something more than just a good footballer. However, it annoys me slightly the way the term "Legend" gets bandied around our club sometimes. I mean, I've heard former players like Paul Parker & Diego Forlan bestowed with the term.
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    It's absolutely true. I've been to really far-flung tiny places, they ask where you're from, you say "England" and they say "Ah, Bobby Charlton! Manchester United!"
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    Beckham, Cantona and Ronaldo I’d say for sure from the days I started watching.

    Although Charlton and Best would be greater heroes from an earlier time. My dad, who’s never been that into football (understatement), would always bring up SBC and Best as some of the greatest footballers ever to kick a ball. On the few occasions he would watch a game with me (my younger days) he’d always tell me how Best was thrice the player compared to who we had at that time, he even said his charms were twice that of Beckham.
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    FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster

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    One of the first things I read about United when I was younger was supposedly how true this anecdote was.
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    I disagree, in recent eras, Beckam was a huge star, and even players like Scholes and Giggs were stars in Europe, recognized by a lot of people. Cantona was a mystery because in France, he was seen as good but not exceptionally good...

    Ruud was a global star, Rio was, Vidic was. Basically, the globalisation of the sport has made the whole team that was champion and European champion a star team, there's very few doubts about it.

    In addition to the 2 you mentioned, of course.
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    Arruda Love is in the air, everywhere I look around

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    Cantona was a legend during my school years, in Azores islands, and is certainly well remembered by most people my age. I remember going on a school trip to watch the movie "Elizabeth" and the buzzing in the theatre when Cantona appeared.

    I always heard of Bobby Charlton too, but always associated him with England (for knocking Portugal out of WC '66) and am not sure I even knew he was a United player until I joined the cafe. I'd say Best is more easily associated with United, but of course, that's just my own experience.
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    In South America the PL only became popular in the mid to late 00s I'd say.

    Even the CL wasn't that popular bar when teams featuring your countrymen played.

    As opposed to Asia having few exports, or Africa having loads in the PL, South Americans mainly focused on the other leagues and Real/Barca/Milan.

    For example, Brazilian TV pundits spent the entire WC quarter in 2002 referring to "Beckman".

    Any previous knowledge is derived from World Cups, so Charlton and Moore make it, but Gary Lineker is better known than George Best.

    All in all, United household names would be Cristiano, SAF, Rooney and Charlton. In that order.

    With Cristiano it's not even about United and with Charlton about England, so the average person associates United with SAF and Rooney.

    Chicharito as well (even if Mexico ain't South America), Valencia too, but not exactly as legends. Hopefully Sánchez in a year or two.
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    The likes of Giggs, Beckham, Rooney are definitely global stars. Whether you quantify them as legends depends on your personal opinion. I think a lot of people underestimate the standing of a lot of our players. Last season for instance when we got Pogba and Zlatan people were banding on about no longer needing Rooney from a commercial viewpoint. Well having grown up in India and travelled through Asia, I can tell you even with his waning abilities, there is no way Zlatan or Pogba could match Rooney's worldwide popularity.

    Pogba's profile has grown because he plays for us, it's not the other way around. Being a big star for Manchester United is as big a deal as being one for Real and Barca. These 3 clubs are on another planet when it comes to global pulling power. Even Zlatan with all his accolades was/is never as big a deal in Asia and Australia as someone like a Rooney or Beckham.
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    Exactly this. I can't comment upon South America but what you say definitely holds true for Asia. Even here in Spain, people associate Man Utd with SAF, Rooney, Beckham and the fact that we sold Ronaldo to Madrid.
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    Many of the non United players listed in the OP are more famous for their national side also so it’s not something that shows Utd’s heroes are any less legendary than other clubs. Would Zidane, Maradona, Ronaldo and the like be as famous but for their World Cup wins? With the game becoming more and more about club Football any legends Utd have will be just as global as any other.
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    Ronaldo, Rooney and Beckham are the only global legends.. however you want to see it
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    Marketing-wise, I'd definitely go for Beckham and Cristiano. Those are the ManU legends almost everybody knows about (even non-football fans) outside the UK.

    In terms of sports, though, I'd say that Charlton and Best are great legends. Then you have the Ferguson-era legends such as Cantona, Scholes, Keane.
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    Manchester United is the biggest club in the world so yes, they are global stars. Beckham was the biggest player in the world by far. Don't think either Ronaldo or Messi matches his heights.

    Pre-PL era it was more about who were the stars of the WC. There aren't many players bigger pre-1990 than Charlton or Best besides Maradona or Pele. Only one of them got a mention on Frasier, a show as far from football as can be.
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    Of course they are. Why is it that the only fans that underestimate the reach of the EPL are the EPL fans themselves?
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    From France it would be Cantona, Beckham, Cristiano and maybe Rooney.
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    Beckham > Ronaldo >>>> Rooney
    In this order.
    Only 3 guys are well known among non football fans outside Europe.
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    Rooney, SAF, Beckham, Cantona and Ronaldo seem to be the main ones.
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    Liverpool had more .
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    "Global legends"?

    Dalglish? Rush? .....
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    It's not the clubs. It's something related to nations.
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    Easy to forget with the brilliance of messi and ronaldo today but David Beckham was a trully megastar back then. I have a sister who doesnt give shit about football, didnt know anything about man united but she had Beckham's poster in her room. And this is from non-internet era. So if you ask will our players be remembered globally? I'd say yes.
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    Giggs and United got mentioned in the Simpsons.