Are people going to insist this isn't as bad or worse than the nadirs of LVG and Moyes?

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    Fortitude TV/Monitor Expert Scout

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    Seriously? Can you explain how it's not the case.

    We're lifeless, listless, dire.
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    This is worse than it was under Moyes. We haven't had a good performance in months, we can't outplay anyone, everyone just looks like they're waiting for things to end yet the people in charge refuse to pull the plug. We're a laughing stock.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    nadirs ?
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    Skills Snitch

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    It's just as bad and has been for a while.
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    Samid follows Pogue around, fixing his images

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    Say what you want about Moyes but at least he was capable of winning a game on cruise control once every two months.
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    Lifeless soulless football. It depresses me watching us play. Moyes was bad but this is something else. Why is this man still in charge?
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    dwd Saturday Night Spies

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    It’s the complete lack of respect for the club that pisses me off more than anything.
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    Crustanoid Full Member

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    More money spent. Less cohesive football, if that is possible
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    Trophy Room Full Member

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    The worst thing is that I've stopped caring, totally numb.
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    Not as bad as under Moyes but surely worse than under LvGs first season.
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    Moyes was worse than Van Gaal. And this is worse than Moyes now. Moyes only made us suffer for 10 months or whatever it was.

    Don't care what any other posters say, that's genuinely how I feel. This is the lowest I've felt post-Ferguson.

    I actually understood what Van Gaal was trying to do. It was shite in the end but the big loveable feckwit had a plan (in between diving on the sideline and calling reporters fat).

    This guy is a genuinely incompetent feck who (to make it even worse) is also a horrible human being.

    We sold our soul completely when we appointed a scumbag like Mourinho. And boy are we paying for it.
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    Foxbatt Full Member

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    LVG's problem was he bored everyone to death with his possession football. It was sometimes exciting too and we only were 5th I think in his second year and still won the FA Cup. This is much worse. Much, much, worse. We actually played a lot better football under LVG.
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    AndyJ1985 Full Member Verified Moaner

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    It's as boring as van gaal's team and as incompetent and laughably bad as Moyes' team. All in all we're shambolic
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    No, needs more backing.
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    shamans Hoser

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    We are still relying on core Moyes signings as our main players. We played better under Moyes
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    Fortitude TV/Monitor Expert Scout

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    A nadir is the lowest point; the point of the greatest despair. Rock bottom.
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    What the feck is a nadir?

    Edit: thanks @Fortitude :)
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    It's worse because we, supposedly, have better players now. LVG was bringing on Nick Powell in effective CL knock out games.

    At least he was trying to develop something for the club to move forward with. All Mou cares about is what the club can do for him.
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    At least LVG had a plan and had coached the players what to do though it was boring has hell sometimes. But at least we played a lot better football most of the time.
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    Lvg's was better than this. He'd be grinning watching us now. Actually we would have improved under lvg.
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    AlecHDR Angry, incoherent heterosexual slob

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    Defintely worse than LVG, by a mile.

    About as bad as Moyes except Jose has better players so he is underperforming more.
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    Can we get Harry Redknapp back from the jungle? At least it will be interesting.
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    It's way worse. At least with Moyes you only needed to look back a year for some reminder of how good we were. The team also had multiple legends still playing. With Van Gaal he was a fun character and had an obvious philosophy he wanted to implement. Even if it wasn't working at least it was something the fans can see.

    Now, there's simply no soul and no trying. The manager and the players both checked themselves out of this season and you have a coward like Woodward who is in a position of taking decisions. It's all beyond pathetic and verging on complete unprofessionalism.
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    I wasn't paying attention when Moyes took over, and saw some of LVG's reign, but to me they seemed far more willing to stick through with a system and line up. If there were changes, they weren't as drastic as Mourinho's constant reshuffling not just of his line up or starting XI. How the hell are players expected to develop confidence and chemistry when they're practicing a completely new 'approach' every week and only get 1-2 games to get a feel for it before everything is completely shuffled again. It's just terrible coaching, terrible man-managing, but Mourinho's won three Premier Leagues and has always made it to CL knock outs or won the Europa league when he didn't, so we should all just be quiet and grateful he's gracing this team with his tactical genius.
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    I hate to say this but the grass in not greener on the other side re LVG. He was a much better coach than this shite we are seeing now. We should have kept with him one more year in hindsight.
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    Camy89 Love Island obsessive

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    Good word, Nadir. Underused generally and nicely used here.

    I would argue that this may not even be the nadir...so help us God
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    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

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    Definitely worse than LVG. Moyes really was terrible though. Maybe it's just because it was so new at the time but that felt worse.
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    It was better under van Gaal. Similarly terrible under Moyes — his even less impressive tactics and team mentality were somewhat compensated by the rare scraps of Fergie's football, Mourinho doesn't even have that luxury.
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    Raees Legal Guardian of the Football forums

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    Its worse because you know it is deliberate, by the manager in terms of sabotage and the players who clearly don't want to play for him and put in effort. So compared to the Moyes era where it was still a professional set up albeit inept, this just is disgusting and goes against sporting principles.
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    Moyes seemed particularly bad at the time as Sir Alex was so fresh in the memory, too short of a time to be fairly compared to Van Gaal and Mourinho.

    Van Gaal and Jose are about on par for me at this point. I do think people forget how bad the football was under Van Gaal.
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    Foxbatt Full Member

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    Still the match going fans would support Jose I think.
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    With LVG we struggled to break down teams who sit back,we still do beacuse the team is not good enough
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    Anustart89 Full Member

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    It's an astronomical term. Nadir's the opposite of zenith.
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    Jazz Full Member

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    Worse since SAF. Never felt so much apathy.
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    Drives me crazy
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    It's not. The squad is in a much healthier state than it was. They just need a new manager to get them to play to their potential.

    If we get a new manager, we can still salvage the season. I don't think you could have said that at this point with the Moyes/LvG teams.
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    El Zoido Full Member

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    It’s worse. The football is godawful, we have no shape, no plan, nothing. It’s appalling.
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    The first 20 minutes today is the worst I've seen us play in 30 years.

    Nothing compares to the despair of the Moyes era though.
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    paulscholes18 Full Member

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    Worse GD after 14 games since the late 70’s
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    2 man midfield Incestuous Modern Woman (Dumper!)

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    Worse than LvG’s first season, but Jose’s first season was better than LvG’s second.

    Moyes isn’t worthy of comparison, I think some are forgetting just how hopeless we were under him.