Arsenal's Transition

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    alastair ignorant

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    The problems will never go away whilst the current board and manager are together.

    I've said to death on this forum(even if I've posted about 3 times in 6 months) that the issue is that we have absolutely no idea who is to blame for the situation in which we find ourselves.

    If it's scenario A in which we don't have much money, Wenger should take less blame than he does. That said, if we didn't have much money this summer, even after the high profile departures, then why are we spending £15m on Oxlade-Chamberlain? I like the player, but he's not what we need right now compared to a high class central midfield player or greater depth at full back. That was an error.

    Scenario B is that we actually could spend a lot of money this summer/in January and Wenger chose not to do it, in which case we should be reconsidering his position at the club. Ivan Gazidis said that we were saving some money for January at the end of August, and what did we do? We spent less than a million pounds on a player who won't even play for us this season, undoubtedly.

    So someone is lying. We'll be in permanent transition if this is allowed to carry on. The most bizarre element of this entire thing is that whoever is lying is being covered up by whoever isn't, which leaves fans like me completely in the dark about what's going on.

    It wasn't that long ago since we won in the San Siro. Milan haven't got hugely better since then, and that shows quite how much we've regressed. Rosicky, who was a minor footnote at the club for such a long time, injury or no injury, is now first team material even though he's got worse in that time. A free-kick goes flying over his head and he doesn't even turn back to see where it's gone. He sums up our plight right now.

    We need change - it's clear for all to see at the moment. Whether that's the manager or the board, I don't know, and therein lies all our woe.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Well over £40M of it went straight out the door on Ox, Mertesacker, Arteta, Santos.
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    Do you think Carroll could be a solution? Him being by far the best young striker in the country?
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    He'd certainly be a more preferable option to either Park or Chamakh(the back up to RVP was one of many positions neglected this summer by the club.)
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    But do you still see him as the most exciting striking talent by a mile, or just by a few metres now?
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    Team Brian GB Baby Cameron loves X-Factor

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    The most 'exiting' striking talent perhaps.
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    Guy Incognito Full Member

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    There is no middleman. Where as Wenger had David Dein then, who had a good relationship with the fans and could make deals happen, now it's disjointed.
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    Skywarden Full Member

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    You did what? Is that accurate?
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Shut it Lurcio, we don't need or want to change either.
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    Brophs The one and only

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    Perhaps it's harsh but from what I've seen both Mertesacker and Santos are pretty average players. They'll need to be replaced before long if you're chasing trophies.
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    Rood nostradamus like gloater

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    You are still about £20m up on summer transfer activity - is it all available to Wenger?
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    Thats actually a compliment on Mertesacker. Whoever scouts defenders for Arsenal needs sacking.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    He could have bought another player for £20M and paid him up to £100K/week. What he couldn't do was buy Mata and pay him £150K /week or buy Henderson or Downing and waste his money.
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    Peterstorey in 2004:

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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    I was never a fan of Mertesacker as the caf knows but we needed experienced cover and Cahill and Bolton were playing silly buggers. Santos we'll have to see.
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    Pexbo Takes body parts and sells them on Amazon.

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    I think that is just about the perfect analysis of your situation as we know it.

    I also think it's a very good point about it being Scenario A or Scenario B, which I also made a short while back and I think you replied to saying you have been saying it for ages IIRC. The point you make about not knowing whether it is A and B is a good one because it's clear that both Wenger and the Board are happy working together and not revealing the true reason for it and that's either a big problem as it's keeping fans in the dark or it's actually holding the club together. Who knows?
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    Lance Uppercut Loves turn based games

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    Ox is a £30 million player? What?
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    Brophs The one and only

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    It struck me as a bit of a rehash of the Squillaci signing, albeit Mertesacker's a better player than him. He just doesn't look like your sort of centre half. Then again, where can you find a decent, proven centre half with pace, let alone for the sort of money Arsenal want to pay?
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    Rood nostradamus like gloater

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    Fair enough - obviously we have similar wage constraints and I personally think that is no bad thing.

    Your mistake was waiting too long to shift Fab and Nasri in the summer and then panic buying before the window shut - you should have spent the extra on Cahill or Samba.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    I think Wenger really thought he could hang on to one or both. Cahill was a no-go at £15M and ridiculous wage demands, Samba's better than Mertesacker but not the answer. Smalling we got outbid by ManU and Jones didn't want to come south.
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    Rood nostradamus like gloater

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    Wenger was deluding himself then - anyway that would have left you in even worse position if either then went on to leave for free.

    BTW I put £10 on you to make top 4 when you were really struggling early on so Im pretty happy to see you go out of CL so you can focus on the league.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    I've got a fair bit more at considerably shorter odds. I laid off my CL bet ahead of last night's tie though.
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    Rood nostradamus like gloater

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    just had a look - i was dreaming it was 12/1, actually 7/1 - what odds you got?
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Even money - had a bit odds on before the season and balanced it up later. They never went longer than 5/1 on betfair.
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    4th goes straight into the group stages now?
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    Gillespie Banned

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    I am not sure the headline numbers are the issue

    Clearly, match day receipts are double those of Highbury - it's more the banks conditions attaching to the loan which we cannot know and which may well prevent investment in players because of the need to pay down debt
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    Rood nostradamus like gloater

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    you want to get down to your local turf accountant - not many around nowadays but there is one near me and you can even negotiate sometimes. Mine's a Hammer who hates your lot and was convinced you had no chance :D
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    Gazza Magic Carpet Pilot

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    Three of those players surely won't be near Arsenal's first-choice team in 2 years time if Arsenal are trying to get better, right? You won't get much money back for them either.
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    Lost in Transition!
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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    Hectic Moderator

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    The Transitionator.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    But you won't finish 4th and there's a significant difference between 4th and 5th.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    5th is the new relegation but we're 4th and intend to stay there.
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    MikeUpNorth Wobbles like a massive pair of tits

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    As Pete has already said, Arsenal are being left behind because of wage inflation. They are no longer able to compete at the top level. The mid-table beckons in the medium term.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    Won't be easy with Chelsea around.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    We've punched above our weight and intend to keep doing so. It is a bit crazy that we're suddenly 'in crisis' because we are probably out of the CL to a big beast in the KO stage when you didn't make it out of group being fannied by Basel.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    We're in contention for the league though and it spares us some embarrassment for going out early in the CL. Also, we've beaten you comfortably twice in the league and have generally been much better than you all along.
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    FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster

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    To be honest I think Arsenal have stopped punching above their weight a long time ago. They've unfortunately been undone by the fact that other teams in the league such as City and Spurs have surpassed them.

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