Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by K2K, Jan 22, 2018.
He's the same age as fellaini so he's not too old. His stats look pretty good overall as well.
Bless. I think I will remember Arturo more as a transfer saga than as an actual player.
People on the CAF don't seem to understand english. I did not say he's not fast. I said, he's not the fastest midfielder in the world. It's a comparison. There are plenty midfielders who are faster than he is.
Our press is full on the story of Vidal moving to United. Today story is about Mourinho asking Alexis to convince Vidal to join the club. They take that story from the Daily Star.
The chilean Bastian
Still a class player on his day, but I wouldn't want him at United.
His multiple drink driving offenses speaks volumes about his character in my opinion.
It's the same way I wouldn't want Suarez at United. Quality player, but an absolute bellend.
This is inevitable. Kalle probably has Woody under „selling crooked midfielders“ shortcutted in his phone
One of our greatest players was shagging his brothers mrs. Roy Keane tried to break someones leg.
Lets not take the moral high ground.
I still think he’s a great asset for Man Utd, even more so with Mourinho. Vidal is a man who needs discipline to be constantly instilled. I don’t think he’d dare to be involved in the kinds of problems he was before. I’ll give you an example of that:
When Marcelo Bielsa took Chile in 2007, Vidal was still a boy, but everyone knew back then, especially him, that he was going to be a star. Bielsa asked him to play a couple of shitty friendlies and he refused; he reckoned it was better to continue playing for Leverkusen rather than play some shitty games. Bielsa cut him off. He didn’t considered him for the next 2 away games against Bolivia and Venezuela, and Vidal said to the press that this team was to inexperienced and thought they were going to struggle without him. Chile won both games (0-2 and 2-3) and got in a very good position on the table. Bielsa wouldn’t count on him anymore unless Vidal said he was sorry. He apologized to his teammates and then in front of the press, and later he was considered again.
Then Bielsa left and Sampaoli came along. Sampaoli wasn’t too strong on disciplinary issues, and neither was Pizzi afterwards.
To make a long story short (guess it’s too late for that), Vidal needs a strong manager who keeps him under control, and more importantly, a manager he can respect.
Yes he was, hence why I don't like Giggs anymore as a result of it. What he did was unforgivable.
That doesn't mean we should go out and sign someone who is not a good fit for the club (e.g. Suarez / Vidal) now.
Are you suggesting that because we had one scumbag on our books, it's acceptable to sign another?
Please no. Is there no middle ground between a Rashford and a Vidal? Someone remind the club not to build a squad that's due an inevitable decline after Jose leaves
I'm not necessarily against signing him but if a player needs a daddy to tell him what to do at the age of 30 to discern right from wrong, there's bigger issues at play than football.
I would go nowhere near Vidal right now. We should've really learned our lesson, if Bayern sell one of their (what it seems) main assets there is something wrong with the player – if they even consider a sale at all which remains to be seen. See Hargreaves, see Schweinsteiger. They simply do not sell their most important players if all is going well. I obviously know Vidal has declined physically and of his drinking issues, but at 31 I wouldn't take the risk.
You're right about that; there are definitely bigger issues at play here. I don't really know how it works in England, maybe it's similar to what happens in Chile, but here, as even Alexis has suggested in interviews, football is seen as something that can actually save your life. Both Alexis and Arturo come from extremely unprivileged social contexts, and if it wasn't for their football skills they would be either working in a mine or trafficking. Hell, in the environment where Vidal grew up he could easily be dead. So yeah, there are way bigger issues at stake here.
That being said, I still think he could be a great asset for Manchester United, especially with such a strong figure as Mourinho on the bench.
If he was going to replace Fellaini, then it's a no-brainer!
Arturo Vidal wanted to play alongside Alexis Sanchez at Bayern Munich. Could he at Manchester United?
He is Fellaini just in good. A bit red card prone but still overall a great player. I think he would be the ideal partner for Pogba and Matic in a 4-3-3.
If this picks up pace at the summer i dont know what am i gonna do with my little chilean muppet heart
I don't mean to sound like a dick, but shagging anyone doesn't really affect your on field performances. Excessive drinking might do so.
The 'excessive drinking' and 'alcohol problem' rumour claims have gone completely out of bounds and have taken on a life of their own.
Basically 80% of posts here seem to take it for granted that Vidal is some out of control drunkard when in reality he's playing and performing regularly for us, has never been suspended or fined by Bayern, and apart from one report about the winter training camp last yer, a couple of reports over the years about partying gone too far (his entourage mostly) and antics with the Chile NT, and mostly butthurt rumour mongering by Juventus fans and the Italian press, there's nothing to suggest he's not living professionally.
As if it is a problem if footballers get drunk now and then.
This is bordering on slander tbh. At least base your claims on proper sources.
Fair fecking play to him if he can get pissed up and still perform on the pitch. I'd do it.
Id take him as a replacement for Carrick/Fellaini in the summer.
30 years old. Knows how to win leagues,
Maybe he can't play at all sober?
Even some chileans in the forum were bigging up this issue here. Thats because the sport press in Chile is crap and tend to big issues up like this a lot. Its not like he is playing drunk every weekend. He wouldnt perform to the levels he has in the last 5 years with that engine if he wasnt a proper sportsman
Well whatever works for him. As long as it's not banned by the sport.
31 in May. No thanks.
Lets put this issue to bed now. We don't need Bayern supporters or resident Chileans. All we need is youtube highlights.
That's a skill within it's own to be completely bolloxed drunk on a daily basis and still playing football. When he stops his 3 year long session, boy is he in for a come down.
No thanks. Ship has sailed imo. Should have moved 2 years ago.
There have been plenty of stories from his time with us. Just a few weeks ago, he was involved in some pub brawl in Munich. His old coach from the national team, Sampaoli, even said that he has a drinking problem:
If you don’t see that the guy has serious issues, it’s because you don’t want to. To suggest that an alcoholic can’t perform in his job, just shows that you don’t understand alcoholism at all. There is a reason that the term „functioning alcoholic“ exists.
But of course, as you are a fan, the guy of whom teammates, his old coach, the papers, many people in the business itself (Carlo Ancelotti for example talks about a time when at Madrid in his book „Quiet Leadership“, where he decided not to buy a certain midfielder due to his well known drinking problems. From the context it’s obvious that this was Vidal.) you just have to believe it’s all some butthurt Juve fans (no idea why they would be butthurt at all) and some series of unfortunate events and remarks by others, in which the poor Vidal gets unfairly painted as an alcoholic. I mean, it’s much more likely that he just parties too hard from time to time. After all, how unlikely would it be that there are alcoholics in pro sports? Unheard of.
You’re lying to yourself, mate. The guy needs serious help, not some fans who defend his every fecking action.
Yeah, just so you know, the Sampaoli thing is not true.
I'm not saying that Vidal doesn't have drinking issues, by the way. But the Sampaoli thing has already been revealed to be fake.
Can you show me a link to that? I’ve found nothing to suggest that the quotes are wrong, but if so, I‘ll stand corrected.
Like some guys can't play pool sober? Interesting.
What I mean is, Sampaoli did say those things but it was discovered that it was part of his own plot to leave the National Team. Will post a link as soon as I find one in English.
True or fake, one fact never changes.
When Sampaoli was in charge of the chilean national team, the first player in all his lists of selected players for the team, was always Vidal (Alexis was his next prefered player and not the other way around). He didn't even doubt in playing him, during Copa America 2015, 2 days after Vidal's post drinking car accident.
Sampaoli also played him during the last WC, when Vidal was still recovering from a very recent knee surgery he got a few weeks before the WC, due to his MCL injury, which was completely against his surgeon's suggestion, where he managed to play almost up to his best level while still in recovery, something you don't see so often in football players.
In my humble opinion, Bayern Munchen are fools in allowing him to leave, if they finally do so next summer (they will regret it after).
In my opinion Tolisso, Vidal and Goretzka is one player too much for one position. And would you - as Bayern - say No to Goretzka (22yo German international) in order to keep a 30yo Vidal?
I think they will let Vidal go and I think it is the right call.
Edit: I would sell Tolisso and keep Vidal for two more years, but this won‘t happen.
We agree to disagree.
Diferent opinions are like "grains of sand in a desert". Everybody can have their own.
Vidal and Seri would be excellent additions tbh.
Obviously it is not a long term project, but it would be interesting that Vidal-Pogba-Alexis society.
The only drawback of Vidal for many is the diciplinary aspect, most of those episodes happened in Chile I do not remember any in Europe at the moment. With a technician like Mou it is very difficult for Arturo to play at being a bad boy outside the pitch.
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