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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    Should Cech have been sent off for the foul, even though bale scored?

    He still commited a foul so surely If it's in play it should be brought back
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    No
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    On what ground should he be sent off?
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    Sir A1ex Full Member

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    Has he denied a goal scoring opportunity? You'd have to say no, seeing as they scored a goal. Case closed.
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    Cold_Boy Banned

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    Yellow for me.
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    acnumber9 Full Member

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    He denied Adebayor's goal scoring opportunity. It just so happened to lead to another opportunity.
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    Cutch Shit stirrer (Literally)

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    If you allow play to continue you can only come back to book/send off someone for violent conduct.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Not how it works I'm afraid
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    ha_rooney Full Member

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    He should have been booked.
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    Dion Full Member

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    It shouldn't be a red card in the first place regardless, stupid rule.
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    Sir A1ex Full Member

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    It didn't "just so happen" though - it happened as part of the same opportunity.
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    Scrumpet There are no words

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    I don't know. Most of the time when a keeper brings someone down he gets a red and the other team gets a goal scoring opportunity in the form of a penalty. In this instance they got their goal scoring opportunity but no red. Had Bale missed would Cech have been sent off?
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    JonDahl Full Member

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    Red card offences have to be dealt with there and then. Not after the "advantage" is gone.
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    acnumber9 Full Member

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    I'm not saying he should be sent off once the goal was scored but the ref could've give the pen and sent him off if he'd wished. As it was I think he made the right decision. I do not require you to tell me how it works thanks.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    I remember in the CL in 99 or 2000 when Yorke or Cole was brought down to the keeper, the ball went to the side and the other one scored. Ref gave a penalty and everyone was furious even though a card came out for the keeper. No why wouldn't they? Do you want a 100% goal or a card and perhaps a goal. I know what Ghana would have wanted in the World Cup.

    Also, are you sure Adebayor wasn't passing the ball? Are you absolutely certain?
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    acnumber9 Full Member

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    Did Cech illegally deny Adebayor a chance?
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    Coca Cola One balled wonder

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    Never seen both a goal and a red in that type of situation.


    Probably should have been a booking though.
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    How is it any different to a keeper being sent off and a penalty given as the penalty is still a clear goalscoring opportunity yet the red card stands too.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    You may not require it, but I will anyway. The referee cannot wave play on and then give the penalty once the goal has been scored.

    He played advantage, had Bale missed he could have brought it back (based on a Ask the Ref on the Guardian.) However as Bale did not miss, it could not be brought back.
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    acnumber9 Full Member

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    If you're thinking of the Juventus one Cole scored and no penalty was given. On both the ref got it right.

    I'm certain he wasn't passing the ball.
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    Yes he should. He took Adebayor out completely. He needs to thank Luiz for his dying swan antics
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    If a player makes a yellow card challenge and advantage is played, the player still will be booked after the opportunity ends. It should be the same here tbf.
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    Yellow for me. If he sends Cech off, he has to call it back and give a pen too.
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    acnumber9 Full Member

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    And I will continue to tell you it is not required. Did you miss where I said once Bale scored he couldn't send him off and it was the right call? Did I say it could or should be brought back?
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    Yep. Had Bale missed he could have given the penalty. That would be fair. Wouldn't be a red. Bale being there saved Cech from a red card. Football isn't about dishing out red cards. It's for bad fouling or repeated fouling or stopping a goal basically.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    2:55

    Virtually identical.
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    As I said in the other thread, didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity, so it can't be a red. But it was a definitely foul, and after the play had finished (The goal being score) Cech should have been retrospectively booked. But he wasn't because Atkinson's having a mare.
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    Steven Seagull Full Member

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    Was it Konchesky who was booked for handling Berbatovs header on the line against the dippers? But it still went in so he wasn't sent off. Same principle.

    On an unrelated note, was Bale this quick when Spurs bought him? Or did he develop it over the next couple of years?
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    I don't remember what game it was but the penalty was definitely given and not the goal because the ref blew the whistle as soon as Cole/Yorke took the shot.

    You might feel certain that he wasn't passing but you can't prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Refs generally are a 100% sure if there's a foul before giving a penalty. That's why you see a lot more penalties not given than penalties given that shouldn't be one. Same with red cards. But mistakes will happen of course.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    I've seen that a few times. Someone guarding the post and handling the ball but the ball still goes in and the goal is given with no card to follow. That's pretty much the essence of football there. Rules and refs are there to make the game fair, not to actively punish when there's no need. That's one of the reasons why you get a booking for telling the ref to book another player.
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    What about arsenal v barcelona in the CL final!
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    What about it?
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    MrK Full Member

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    What if Bale had made a split second decision that having Chelsea down to 10 men would have been better for Spurs, and he decided to let the ball run out? Reasonable or not?
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Yup, that would be a penalty and a red. I'll find the "you are the ref"

    Edit - Here is one part which deals directly with this, but not the one we want:

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/24/you-are-ref-edgar-davids#_
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    acnumber9 Full Member

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    He wasn't passing.
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    Dion Full Member

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    The answer to No. 3 surprised me.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Here we go:

    [​IMG]

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/25/laws-of-football#_
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    The Neviller Banned

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    This never happened. You're definitely thinking of the Juventus one where Yorke was fouled, and Cole scored. A penalty would have been given had Cole not ran on and scored.
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    Guy Incognito Full Member

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    Eto'o's goal should have stood, Lehmann yellow.
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    pls somebody post a gif of the incident.

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