BBC: Which title-winning team will go down as the best in Premier League history?

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    Brinky Full Member

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    I know this topic has been done to death but the BBC are currently running a poll for the best title winning team since the PL began.

    Potential to add a poll to this thread?
    • Man Utd 1993-94 - Cantona inspires back to back titles
    • Arsenal 1997-98 - Double winners
    • Man Utd 1998-99 - Treble winners
    • Arsenal 2003-04 - The Invincibles
    • Chelsea 2004-05 - Mourinho's first PL title
    • Man Utd 2007-08 - Ronaldo inspires PL & CL triumphs
    • Chelsea 2009-10 - Ancelotti's side win double and scored record 103 PL goals
    • Man City 2017-18 - Guardiola's team win title with record 100 points

    Personally I voted for the Man Utd 07/08 side.


    Vote here & further analysis of each team: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45759826
    Results : 1pm Saturday 13th October
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    Probably our 07/08 side or Mourinho's 04/05 side which inexplicably isn't even there.
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    17Larsson Not a malefactor just a lagomorph

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    93/94 United side
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    17Larsson Not a malefactor just a lagomorph

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    And how is Mourinho's first Chelsea team not on the list?
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    Where is Chelsea 04/05? We only conceded 15 goals and had one defeat. We were totally dominant. That is our best league season and probably team ever I think. We should have won the CL that season as well.
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    Our 04-06 team and Uniteds 07/08 teams are the two best there’s been, only two that were probably the best in Europe at the time. Isn’t a more overrated team than the invincibles.
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    12OunceEpilogue Full Member

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    I love United 2008. Such a rock solid squad sprinkled with world class talent and even those members who on paper weren't world class or even particularly great could be utilised by Fergie to do a fantastic job for the team.
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    They seem to just be picking sides that won multiple trophies or hold a current record, Chelsea of 04/05 should definitely be in their given how dominant they were and how good they were. You could swap out the Chelsea team of 09/10 who won quite a poor league that year. There's also an argument to be made that the Arsenal team in 01/02 was better than the 97/98 side.

    Overall I would go for the United side in 07/08, they could play great football but were adaptable and we're so solid as well, although City last year obviously are up there as well.
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    I can see the Invincibles winning the poll due to the United vote being split between 99 and 08. I have no idea why Ancellotti’s Chelsea side is there rather than Mourinho’s 04/05 team.
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    Chelsea 04/05 is on the page, think OP just forgot to put it in.
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    It should be our 07/08 side but I have a feeling it'll be Arsenal's invincibles as people already have a skewed vision of how well they actually played that season. That;ll only increase with time.
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    Definitely
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    Our 07/08 team is the best and then it's Chelsea's 04/05 and our 98/99 team joint second.
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    How is this even a competition?

    Our 98-99 squad just takes the cake and eats it.
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    Definitely our 07/08 team. Massive competition in the league that year and we won the lot.

    After that, Chelsea's 04/05 team. Still for me the only side we could never truly get the better of.
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    The question is a bit vague to be honest.

    Are we asking 'which team has had the best-ever Premier League season?'

    Or

    'Which is the best team ever to come from the Premier League?'

    If it's the first question, then there's plenty of debate to be had. City have got the most points in PL history, so they've got a very strong case, but you could easily argue Arsenal's 04-05 team as well. There are quite a few other candidates too.

    If it's the second, then the only two candidates are United's '99 and '08 sides. They are the only teams to have won the CL and the PL in the same season. End of debate.
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    How Mourinho’s 04/05 team isn't in the poll is madness, is it because the narrative is now that he's a shite manager?
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    Arsenal lost six games in 2004-05. Seems a funny definition of the word 'invincible.'
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    Seeing as its a public vote im betting Liverpool's heroic 09 runners up despite them not being shortlisted
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    I agree - they wouldn’t make my top 3. But don’t be surprised if they win the poll.
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    My mistake, I somehow left off Chelsea 2004/05 :lol:
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    If it's purely for the Premier League performance, then Chelsea's 04/05 team are right up there with the invincibles, the 98/99 team and the 07/08 team, as well as Man City last season.

    If you take in other competitions, then our 07/08 team was the best in my book. Adding the CL to the league title is the icing on the cake for that side. Our treble win technically dwarfs them, but I think man for man the 07/08 team was slightly better.

    The invinsible Arsenal team failed to get far enough in the cups to match the absolute best teams overall.
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    If you're talking about best overall squad quality newers teams from the 00s are always going to have an advantage due to less financial parity which enables a few selected teams to hoard all the talent, no?

    Achievment wise it's Utd 99 for me.
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    The Utd 07/08 team hands down. I would back them to beat all the other sides mentioned in a one off and over the course of the season.
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    Tommy bigot with fetish for footballers getting fingered

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    How so? There's been fewer invincible seasons than there has trebles won, so it's a remarkable achievement, no?

    But yeah, for me, 04/05 Chelsea & 07/08 United, just like everyone else. Those teams just didn't look anything other than dominant.
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    Any team that wins the league and any other trophy should be considered. It takes a very high level of dominance to win two or more competitions.

    Arsenal 03/04 are overrated as feck. Invincibles my arse.
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    Treble were the strongest mentally. Less individually talented than the teams that came after, but they won the treble for a reason.

    Still, if we're sticking strictly to PL, it's between 07/08 United(winners of the strongest ever PL season, and the CL. Probably the most individually talented british side of all time. Should have been more dominant perhaps), and City(most dominant, record breaking)

    Special mention to 04/05 Chelsea, because that team went 4-5 seasons among the top 3-5 teams in the world
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    I think our 07/08 team was brilliantly efficient, well drilled and was a win machine and better than the treble team, but I'm not sure I'd say they were more individually talented. In fact, I'd say that the treble team had the most individually talented first choice midfield in PL history.
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    15 goals lost all season. Incredible.
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    They are in the poll. OP forgot them.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt Scouse Lover

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    Has to be City if we looking at a single EPL campaign.
    There were points when dropping points seemed like a minor miracle .
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    giorno Full Member

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    It's a remarkable achievement and also so very Wengerian. Whatever arsenal fans may say, there isn't a single one of them who truly wouldn't swap losing a couple of those games in the league in exchange for winning the CL.

    But yes, it's generally going to be harder to achieve. Because it only takes one bad and unlucky game out of 38. Still, the treble in England only happened once, and that's due to the FA Cup.

    For the record, the treble happened 8 times in europe(Celtic, Ajax, PSV, United, Barcelona x2, Inter, Bayern). Invincible league seasons, counting only the 6 leagues that had treble winners and starting from the first EC(55-56) happened 6 times(Perugia -did NOT win the league-, milan, juventus, 94-95 Ajax -also unbeaten in CL-, Arsenal, Celtic 16/17). Throw in the Portuguese league and that number extends to 10
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    Torn between 04-05 Chelsea and 07-08 United. I'm not counting 17-18 City because I think that win comes during a period when the level of the other teams in the EPL isn't as high as it was during the mid 00's.

    Chelsea 04-05

    Pro:

    - Dominated the league like no other

    Con:

    - League not at as high a level as it was in 2008.

    United 07-08

    Pro:

    - Winning the league during a time when the EPL was at it's zenith in terms of the quality we have seen recently.

    Con:

    - Didn't dominate the league like Chelsea. Needed an Arsenal meltdown, who looked better than United up until then, post Eduardo injury to win the league.

    That being said, maybe I am overstating the level of the EPL when Chelsea won in 2004-05. United were horrible that year while Arsenal had also declined significantly from the previous year (lost to Bayern in the UCL R16). We might look in a few years time, if EPL teams do well in the UCL, that last year was also the start of a period of dominance.

    So. United 07-08 it is :D
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    The invincibles that lost six games in all competitions

    Load of nonsense I agree, United treble side, in all competetions, lost 4 all season and out together something like 36 games unbeaten in all comps that year, unbeaten in the cl playing Bayern x3, Barca x2, inter x2, juve x2
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    United 98-99 best achievement which is most important as its silences a lot of subjectivity. The reason we have trophies.

    I think the best non United team in the Premier League is Chelsea 04-6. They were a machine.

    Arsenal's invicibles lost 6 games that season. They were overrated, hence why they never followed it up with any sustained success.

    Chelsea's spine stayed with them and won them many things for years.
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    Utd 07/08 for me
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    United 07/08 would be my personal pick, bias aside they were the best team in England and Europe while the English league was at its best. Chelsea 04/05 was an absolute force of nature as well, a very close second for me. I always thought an interesting discussion would be "what were the best ever runner-ups in the PL".
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    Best team in Premier League history (Premier League only) - Man City 2017-18

    Best team in history of Premier League (1993 onwards) - United 07-08

    Most successful team in history of Premier League - United 1998-99
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    "One of football's great debates" my arse.

    There should be 3 options:
    - United 1992-97 (4 titles in 5 seasons)
    - United 1998-2003 (4 titles in 5 seasons)
    - United 2006-2011 (4 titles in 5 seasons)

    The lack of respect given to those teams for winning back to back to back titles and dominating the competition is sad. Comparing teams who won one title and weren't even competitive in the following seasons is nonsense.
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    As a sports fan, it's almost impossible to choose them for the reasons we all know
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39383967