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Being able to attract the worlds best players

Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by VancouverUtdFan, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. Jan 25, 2018
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    VancouverUtdFan Banned

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    Moyes + Van Gaal:
    • Mata
    • Fellaini
    • Di Maria
    • Schneiderlin
    • Depay
    • Darmian
    = £225M
    ...quantity.

    Mourinho:
    • Pogba
    • Sanchez (<- - -> Mikhi)
    • Zlatan
    • Lukaku
    • Bailly
    • Matic
    = £275M
    ...quality.


    How sweet it is for United to finally have stability again thanks to José and becoming a destination for top players. Listed notable players above but just look at that difference in quality!

    Post SAF till José, United lost it’s charm and weren’t in contention for the best players. Sure the managers tried but clearly we were settling for a tier below. Di Maria was the only real standout but we all know how that turned out. And he made it evident players didn’t want to come play for United during his departure as the club was in shambles under LVG after seeing Moyes not succeed as well with a rotting core. Really was a toxic situation and look at the difference a year+ has made under JM; we’re no longer just a “big club” in terms of the name but now a big club in terms of having big time players to match. Let’s not forget, José attracted the 3 highest rated players in their respective leagues that season (Pogba, Zlatan, Mikhi) to join United with no CL football when they had other offers on the table from better rated teams - really puts things in perspective. And that’s without mentioning all the offloading of deadwood that’s been done which the previous managers weren’t capable/afraid of doing.


    For comparison sake, look at what Chelsea were able to do as the defending league champs:
    • Rudiger
    • Zappacosta
    • Morata
    • Bakayoko
    • Drinkwater
    = £175M
    ...looks like something United would do if Moyes or LVG were still in charge.

    This is only the beginning, being 1.5 years in and not having even completed 2 seasons yet. Just wait until Summer rolls around and what other top quality additions will be made. United are once again a global magnet and rapidly on the rise :devil:
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    SirAF Ageist

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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    Funny how you decided to leave out Falcao and Schweinstiger there, two players who would have been considered world class before we purchased them. Di Maria was also regarded as world class when we bought him. Mata was considered one of the best #10's in the league when we bought him.

    EDIT: Oh you left out Herrera, too, because he's actually been really good for us or something?
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    PepsiCola Full Member

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    Rozay Not good at posting fixture lists

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    No need for any ‘post SAF’ analysis here.

    Fergie did not buy the world’s ‘best players’ either, with the exception of Veron. His ‘snubbed United’ list is as impressive as any.

    The only thing to see here is largely a correlation between us paying the best wages and getting better players I think.

    Edit: Oh yea, and Persie.
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    VancouverUtdFan Banned

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    Point is how did it work out for the manager and club? Exactly, not all that well...

    Herrera is an average player, I don’t get the hard on some here have for him in all honesty. He’s a serviceable rotation player that’s about it. I imagine you’re one of the ones who proposed him to be captain last year :lol:


    :drool:
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    In general I think we've been able to spend very well post SAF and most signings have been top tier or at least have shown enough potential to be worth a punt (Depay, Schneiderlin, Darmian).
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    That wasn’t the point you were trying to make at all.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    No that wasn't your point at all. Your point was to try and claim that we weren't able to sign world class players before Mourinho took over. And to do so you intentionally left out some of the star names we signed at the time as well as tried to claim some of the players we signed weren't actually top class at the time (Mata). I just think it's pretty lame to try pick and choose players in order to try and fit your completely untrue narrative.
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    Marcky411 Full Member

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    Well said,:D lets not forget Shaw who is starting to show his potential.
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    King.of.Red New Member

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    Jose and Woodward are superb combination for United. :drool:
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    For me the main difference between the 2 lists is that Jose has signed players that fit his style of play. With the Moyes & LVG players it seems more like who is available and less calculated. Both are good lists on paper but as we know don't always work out - which comes down to the players not suiting the management style.
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    VancouverUtdFan Banned

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    Fair enough

    I just hope you can see the quality difference between a Mata, Schweini, Falcao and a Pogba, Sanchez, Zlatan
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    Mata was a great signing and you missed off herrera, a poorer quality of player.
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    rocks13 Banned

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    No mention of Martial in the OP?
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    Cassidy Not to be confused with Cassady the Liverpool fan

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    Missed Lindelof for the same reasons.
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    It would be wise to take into account that Moyes was an idiot and Van Gaal wasn't really looking for those type of players that we now have (evidenced by him turning down Kroos). And when he rarely did, he did bring a world class player - Di Maria was probably in the top 5 players in the world when we brought him, and probably the most important Madrid player that season, even above Ronaldo. Mourinho has always had a keen eyes for transfers in every club he has been, and he has always chased the same calibre of players.

    So unless you try to imply that SAF was a shit manager because he didn't bring world class players and brought the likes of Bebe most of the time, then this is just not an accurate way of looking at it.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    Again you're totally nitpicking and leaving players out.

    We actually picked Di Maria over Sanchez at the time because he was considered the better player.
    Schweinstiger and Falcao were both considered world class at the time.

    Let's not try and pretend we were signing lower quality players, they just didn't work out for us, mainly because the manager's bought poorly or because they used them wrongly, but there's bugger all difference between the standard of player we bought, on paper, at the time, under LvG and Moyes than under Mourinho.

    This whole thread is silly, all that's changed since then is that we have a manager who is actually good at signing the player's he needs and we as a club are more willing to pay the massive funds required to get them.

    This whole idea that Mourinho somehow makes arguably the world's biggest club (alongside Real) a more attractive proposition is fecking ridiculous. We're not City under Pep!
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    There’s feck all difference in the hype/reputation of players signed by Moyes/Van Gaal and those signed by Mou.

    There are signs, though, that Mourinho is getting a better bang for his buck. We just need Lukaku to have a barn-storming second half to the season and Sanchez to hit the ground running and all will be well with the world.

    Re the “agenda” comments. Get fecked. If someone has an agenda to be up-beat and optimistic then more power to him. Far rather that than the snidey negative shite that’s infested this website over the last few years. Somebody is trying to look on the bright side! Boooooo! Get out the pitchforks!
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    Hardly a stretch to suggest that a player would rather play for Mourinho instead of Moyes/LvG tbf.
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    VancouverUtdFan Banned

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    Only SAF was capable of doing what SAF did. There’s no point even trying to compare him to any manager after. It was apparent after he left United wouldn’t be able to operate the way they did under him and would have to buy top players to compete with the other handful of best clubs in the world.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    Moyes? Absolutely.

    LvG? I don't think there's any evidence at the time that player's didn't want to come here because of him being in charge. We got the player's he wanted.

    Fact remains, we're Man Utd, the idea that the manager has some huge sway in attracting player's to a club of the size and stature just boggles the feckin' mind. Just look at Sanchez, obviously had a preference to play for Pep over Mourinho, how'd that one work out?
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    red4ever 79 Full Member

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    Yeah we love a one sided argument on here. Didnt Van Gaal sign BFS and DI Maria and Falcao? Three names just as big as the ones Mourinho has signed
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    VancouverUtdFan Banned

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    Except Pogba and Zlatan admitted they joined United because Mourinho was in charge.

    You honestly think they would join otherwise considering where United stood, the year they were coming off of, and knowing they had to play Europa football? If you really think just the United label alone was the reason for that then I have a bridge to sell you hahah
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    VancouverUtdFan Banned

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    I’m going to hell aren’t I? :(

    :lol:
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    Now, I don't really disagree too much with you on this one but there is a significant difference between Guardiola vs Mourinho and Guardiola vs LvG. Between Mou and Guardiola it is a toss up - no contest if you can choose to play for Guardiola or LvG, in my opinion.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    Pogba did? You got a link for that?
    Di Maria and Falcao joined us after we finished 7th in the league.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    You think? I imagine most player's would pick Pep over Mourinho, quite frankly, apart from maybe defenders.

    Anyway not sure what the point is? LvG and Guardiola weren't in charge at the same time.
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    The difference is that Mourinho knows what he's doing and LVG didn't.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Di Maria was forced to come here, he wanted PSG. Falcao was playing for Monaco and had just been injured for a year, of course he was willing to come here
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    Forced? Come on.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Alexis and Ibra say hi.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Madrid forced him out the club yes and PSG couldn't afford him despite him wanting to join them
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    Come on, mate. I know you are not a fan, but that's just ridiculous.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    You don't seem to have read my posts. My whole point is that Utd are bigger than the manager and although Alexis preferred to work with Pep, he still chose Utd, the club.

    Ibra? City didn't even try to sign him.
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    Kind of. He was being forced out of Real Madrid. PSG and us wanted him but he clearly wanted to play for the Qatari owned club.
    He would have never come here had it not been for FFP. And then, Jorges Mendes. He had a huge hand in bringing him here. Feck, AdM couldn't resist saying in an interview that he could play for PSG some day.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    Huh? I'm a massive fan of Mourinho, the feck are you on about? :lol:
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    I think the main point here is that the player would be joining Manchester United regardless of the manager at the time this is a step up on all clubs apart from maybe Barcelona & Madrid (or Munich if you are German)

    Man City look like a better prospect because of Pep but he is the pull not the club wheras United is opposite.
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    bazalini The Baz Man - He made us laugh 2000 - 2012

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