Burnley or Leicester

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    SAred Full Member

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    Just seeing Burnley quietly creep into the top 4, if come season end they managed to qualify for the Champions League how would you rate this achievement. Oh par with Leicester winning the league?
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    Well, no. Winning the league is better than Top 4.
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    Leicester winning the league was fecking mental and nothing comes close.
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    Leicester were 5000:1 to win the league... among the greatest achievements in sporting history.
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    Obviously, but Burnley are a way smaller team then Leicester so would there achievement not be pity close to Leicester winning the league. What are the odds on Burnley qualify for the Champions League is it similar to the 5000/1 odds that Leicester had for winning the league.
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    Not even close for me
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    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

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    It would definitely be up there. I mean, Leicester had a better team that year with Kante, Mahrez, Vardy basically playing out of their skin. Burnley just do not have that quality. So if they did finish inside the top 4, then, yeah, it would be right up there as one of the great achievements in the PL history. Not as good as Leicester winning it but nonetheless - very impressive. They won't though.
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    Leicester and not even close, besides Burnley won't finish above 10th by the end of the season.
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    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

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    Tell that to Stan Kroenke. :wenger:
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    Consider the season Leicester had before they won the title, and it makes Leicester's achievement even greater.
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    Nobody would be talking about Mahrez, Vardy or Kante if they didn't play out of their skin though, nobody was talking about how amazing those three (and more) are when they were nearly relegated. If, say, Brady, Vokes and Cork had as amazing season as those three from Leicester did, it would be the same kind of story.

    For me it's not even comparable. One team's nearly relegated and wins the title next season, the second is doing great job thus far but it's still a long shot and even if they somehow managed to stay top 4, it's still not a trophy to be won.
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    I'm not so sure. If Burnley did manage it would be fecking incredible considering the competition. Also, player for player Burnley are a level below to what Leicester were. That is my reasoning.
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    Nothing will come close to Leicester's achievement... Nothing.

    What they did is remarkable.
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    Yeah but Mahrez was seen to be a talented up and coming maverick if you like before he signed for Leicester wasn't he? I'm pretty sure he'd have found that level at right club anyway. Also, I just don't see the same level of talent and calibre in Burnley as I do with Leicester, imo. Another thing, Liecester started playing some quality football for last 10 games before the season they won the league which to me says that they were in fact a good team. Just managed by a lunatic.

    But, yeah, Leicester winning the PL is something ill remember for the rest of my life.

    It's just IF Burnley somehow do sneak into top 4 it would be crazy as hell too.
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    You only rate Leicester's squad higher because of what they achieved in the title-winning season. They were on the verge of relegation the year before, and the year before that they were in the Championship. Nobody rated their squad then.

    It's actually remarkably similar to Burnley's last two seasons. So the clubs were pretty much in the same position, making Leicester's title a much, much bigger achievement than a Champions League spot would be for Burnley (though of course that would be huge as well).
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    Not sure how you gauge between the two. Leicester had players the elite clubs were eyeing up by the end of the season, such was their performance.

    Burnley, the average fan couldn't name a single player in their team.

    Leicester won the league when it was in a down period; Burnley are doing what they're doing at a time when the league is in a massive upswing, with all 5 teams qualifying for the K.O. stages of the CL and looking like a threat competing with them for this season's top 4.

    Leicester don't win the league with that team vs the behemoth City side or even our misfiring team against them, so as amazing as what they did is, it's a different time and a different task to what the 2017/18 sides face.

    tl:dr: the achievements are too different to really put them against each other. Logic states league title> all, but logic also states that this years competition is far, far harder than the one Leicester's title win came in.
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    Yes, there is obviously a degree of rating higher because they've overachieved. But I think it's fair to say that Mahrez, Kante, and Vardy are top drawer players who came into their own that season. I can't see anyone remotely as talented as those 3 in Burnley. I mean, Defour is talented alright, and Heaton is a solid keeper but thats probably it.
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    Yep, agree with this.
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    If they win the title, Burnely

    Everything else, Leicester
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    Not even close, Leicester winning league with Simpson, Morgan in their defence must be the greatest achievement in PL.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    Nah, Leicester won the title from a relegation dogfight. The stuff of legend.
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    Jetrooooo New Member

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    I've heard that before!
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    Top 4 on par with winning. You an Arsenal fan? ;)
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    Genuinely don't think any football achievement in my lifetime will match up to Leicester winning the PL a couple of years ago. Burnley getting top 4 would be crazy nonetheless. FWIW I think they'll comfortably finish 7th this season.
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    I can just imagine the praise Eddie Howe would be getting now if he was achieving what Dyche was achieving .
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    Leicester winning the league is the craziest thing I've seen in football bar everything. Greece was an obvious favorite for the 2004 euro's compared to this.
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    Yeah a cup competition is much easier to win than a 38 game slug over 8-9 month period.
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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    How's this even a thread?! Leicester of course.
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    It's not comparable in any way, however if Burnley can carry on and finish top 8, it will still be a hell of an achievement.
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    Leicester was a one off. Nothing will be comparable.
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    And for good reason.
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    I'm sorry but this isn't even up for debate. What Leicester did happens once in a lifetime. People will talk about it for a long long time. We've had teams like Everton in the top 4 before when Moyes was there. Burnley are doing a fantastic job with a limited budget and I think they are one of the best teams in the PL at what they do. They have a style and you can see that they give a lot of time and effort on the training ground to perfect it.
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    And winning the league is several levels above finishing 4th (they have no chance for 2nd or 3rd), that is my reasoning too. You cannot compare 2 achievements that are so different.
    Plenty of weak teams manage to surprise and compete for European places in Europe in the past 10-20 years but what Leicester did is unique.
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    Not even close. And they haven't done it yet. And almost definitely won't. Great thread though! ;)
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    Yeah, you're quite right.
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    No, but obviously incredibly impressive nonetheless.

    Pretty much everyone's been talking about how the league is now split in 2 - the top 6 then the rest. It's great to see them breaking that mould so far this season, although I'd be amazed if it lasted.
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    Guys surely this can't even be a comparison?!

    The likes of Mourinho, Pochettino, Wenger, Klopp are always struggling to win the PL with big teams, and little Leicester came along and won the league at a (relative) canter! A mind-boggling achievement. I'm not sure it'll ever truly sink in!

    They also went on to reach the CL quarter finals and ran a strong Atletico team very close in the end!
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    As for the bolded, I'm not sure about that, after all he was playing for Le Havre who were in the second French league, and he was transferred to a Championship club after all. I understand what you're saying but would you honestly classify Simpsons, Drinkwaters or Schmeichels as ones with potential or some second string wash ups? Because to me they have, or I would have perceived them, as, say, Brady's potential tier.

    That's true that they started winning but iirc so did Sunderland when Bog Sam was their manager, would you classify them as a good team? I'm sure you wouldn't. Pearson for sure is a looney but after all he managed to get them out of the relegation zone, doubt many would manage that at that time, many haven't given how few clubs stayed up after being in the relegation zone on Christmas.

    My point is, I think that it's the circumstances that create the heroes (in this case, the 'good players'). Out of those biggest stars of Leicester it's only Kante who made it at some other club, Drinkwater is lost on Chelsea's bench, nobody really wanted Mahrez by the looks of it (if, say, Barca wanted him, they would have got him), Vardy is still there amidst Arsenal's interest, not really sure who more could be mentioned. And neither Vardy nor Mahrez are shining as bright as they did that one season.
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    Would be an incredible achievement but nowhere near Leicester winning the league. That is probably the greatest sporting upset/achievement I'll see in my lifetime.
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    What a weird question. Leicester winning the league is head and shoulders above coming top 4