Can any other manager pull off the Juve result under similar circumstances?

Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by DeGea, Nov 8, 2018 at 14:03.

  1. Nov 8, 2018 at 18:15
    #81

    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2006
    Messages:
    20,386
    Location:
    Under the bright neon lights of sincity
    Im a jose supporter. But this is just another football match.

    We won in 90 minutes. Many smaller teams have beaten Juventus in serie a (although its not every week). We have been defeated by league 1 team.

    It really nothint special to win a football match. Specially when youre managing manchester united. We can beat anyone and any team on our day. Just like juve can lose to any team on their worst day.
  2. Nov 8, 2018 at 18:20
    #82

    breakout67 Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Messages:
    6,570
    The thread title was a question and the OP even asked the opinion of others. Yet somehow you inferred that it was implying a masterclass, and this conveniently led you to be the one to declare him/her a sycophant. You're completely objective and not taking an angle here.
  3. Nov 8, 2018 at 18:22
    #83

    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2006
    Messages:
    20,386
    Location:
    Under the bright neon lights of sincity
    Tbf how he treats his players is part of what made him succesful in the past.

    We know he's always like this, we too know he won alot being like that. Not every player reacts negative to a critics, we always has the notion of bollocking them in the dressing room and praise them to hell in the media, but we only have 1 manager for the last 26 years. It works for united, because its saf and by design he purchased or mould players that suits his managerial style.

    Jose on the other hand didnt had that luxury yet, he managed a new team. Saf managed a new team in his first few years and he doesnt like many of them.
  4. Nov 8, 2018 at 18:52
    #84

    Fergietime@99 New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2017
    Messages:
    102
    Well Roma beat Barca 3-0 in UCL quarters last season. So does that make di Francesco the best manager in the world?
  5. Nov 8, 2018 at 19:09
    #85

    Stactix Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2015
    Messages:
    1,037
    Tbh he treats his players great when things are going well, when things fall apart it's never his fault.
    Hazard said as much.
  6. Nov 8, 2018 at 19:34
    #86

    EwanI Ted New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2018
    Messages:
    82
    It was a great moment, but let’s not carried away. I know we’ve been a bit starved of good wins recently, but let’s keep things in perspective.
  7. Nov 8, 2018 at 19:37
    #87

    cyberman Full Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    13,838
    I keep seeing posts like this but who's getting carried away?
    Why do fans rush to play the calm, all seeing Utd fan even when it's not needed?
  8. Nov 8, 2018 at 20:04
    #88

    Random Task Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2010
    Messages:
    8,986
    Location:
    Chester
    There is a civil war going on in the forum right now and it's the same people battling one another in every thread.

    Divide and conquer, this was Jose's plan from the very beginning.
  9. Nov 8, 2018 at 20:10
    #89

    simonhch Horrible boss

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    9,459
    Location:
    Sartorial Guru
    Supports:
    Urban Combat Preparedness
    No middle ground, is there? The hyperbole after one jammy win, when we could have been 3-0 down by the time we equalised, has gone into overdrive now.

    Don't get me wrong, good win, but....seriously...keep your feet on the ground.
  10. Nov 8, 2018 at 20:13
    #90

    James Peril Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2016
    Messages:
    2,264
    It’s important to pull results out of the hat, but there is a reason why teams don’t win every game, there’s a reason why the odds on Juventus were like 1.75 at best before the game. It wasn’t 1.10 like City against Donetsk, we always had a chance here.

    Juventus have an average goalkeeper and 3-4 players I wouldn’t necessarily want in our team - they aren’t a super side on paper compared to us. Vastly superior at the back and up top, but we do have Sanchez and Martial after all. They were missing Costa.

    Juventus weren’t motivated to give a 100%, they’ve already won this group with a tiny bit of effort in the next two games. If Mourinho pulled this one out in the quarters I’d say wow, but let’s remember Tottenham «beat» Real over two games in the groups last season and it never would have happened in the knock-outs. Still, exetremely good result - if not utterly lucky based on that miss from Cuadrado on 1-0. We scored from two set-pieces when Juve let down their guard, it’s not Bayern 99.
  11. Nov 8, 2018 at 20:14
    #91

    R'hllor Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2013
    Messages:
    9,271
    Take a bow, you couldnt make this shit up.
  12. Nov 8, 2018 at 20:41
    #92

    EwanI Ted New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2018
    Messages:
    82
    Well, the person who started this thread for one.
  13. Nov 8, 2018 at 20:43
    #93

    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

    Joined:
    May 26, 2016
    Messages:
    6,153
    Embrassing thread
  14. Nov 8, 2018 at 20:50
    #94

    ash_86 Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2013
    Messages:
    3,363
    No. Only the Elite level managers can pull up a result in such a difficult place when down by a goal. We saw how Spurs blew a two goal lead. That's the difference between a good manager and a elite one.
  15. Nov 8, 2018 at 21:18
    #95

    cyberman Full Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    13,838
    Hes talking about Jose's past. The two time Cl winner.
    Why would he have to calm down to discuss it?
  16. Nov 8, 2018 at 21:21
    #96

    L1nk Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    632
    Comparison it to to the CL99 win :lol:, deary me, the lengths some people will go to to really praise this man despite him doing almost nothing for us is mind boggling, anyone would think Mourinho was born on the Old Trafford pitch and raised in it's soil the way some fans go on.
  17. Nov 8, 2018 at 21:27
    #97

    ayushreddevil9 Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,247
    @DeGea sign the fecking contract first
  18. Nov 8, 2018 at 21:33
    #98

    the chameleon New Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2012
    Messages:
    166
    Yeah mind boggling indeed. These people will go to any length to support Mourinho, even throw our 1999 win under the bus. A 1999 season win which was built through a season of playing great football. At least you can admire the creativity.
  19. Nov 8, 2018 at 21:34
    #99

    Handré1990 Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2013
    Messages:
    1,855
    Location:
    In hibernation
    Thank you!
  20. Nov 8, 2018 at 22:00

    Rajma Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2012
    Messages:
    4,000
    Location:
    London/ semi - underground
    This was much needed victory but it was anything but a good performance. Someone already mentioned but last season at home against Liverpool is a good example of the game which was very well executed and you could tell we had it under control...Whereas yesterday we had our fair share of luck, play this game in identical manner another 100 times and we draw or lose on 99 occasions.
  21. Nov 8, 2018 at 22:23

    Ashley R1+O New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2016
    Messages:
    1,780
    When the players half ass it - it's jose.
    When the players do it - it's the players

    He can't win so I've just disconnected from the whole Jose storm. Makes watching us way better and puts the harsh rationalities that you're trying to ignore about what is a very under performing playing group into stark contrast. I mean people are going as far as they can above and beyond to try and ignore the argument that Pogba tries for about 15-20 minutes a game after half time. I don't think many people are in the right frame of mind to rationally understand Jose and what he is doing/what he brings. But that is fine, people can talk about what they want to talk about. I find it interesting.
  22. Nov 8, 2018 at 22:39

    Dante Bang Average but can post Blindfolded for 15 secs

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2010
    Messages:
    13,406
    Location:
    My wit's end
    Supports:
    United!
    Fellaini changed the game more than Mourinho. And I think any manager worth his salt would have made the same change. It was 5 minutes of decent luck after Juve shit themselves.

    But, to be fair, Mournho would have taken all the blame if we'd lost. So giving Jose some props in light of this win is only the right thing to do.
  23. Nov 8, 2018 at 23:16

    Red Pavan shittest username ever manutddabest791

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2008
    Messages:
    16,329
    Location:
    UK - Ronaldo's House.
    :lol:
  24. Nov 8, 2018 at 23:20

    Mihai Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2013
    Messages:
    2,666
    I didn't praise anyone. I just made a comparison with a match where we were dominated and won in the last minutes.
  25. Nov 9, 2018 at 00:29

    Ekeke Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2006
    Messages:
    39,322
    Location:
    Hope, We Lose
    Yes. Plenty of managers can send a team out to keep things tight, then look to snatch a result in the last 10 minutes. If Juventus had taken their chances it'd never have been a possibility. But Mourinho made good subs and Mata was able to show quality when it mattered. Juventus were again their own worst enemy with a nervous last few minutes.

    So take nothing away from Mourinho making those subs and us getting a result. But yes of course plenty of managers can steal points from a better side who should have won. It happens all the time.
  26. Nov 9, 2018 at 00:35

    Ban Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2015
    Messages:
    18,106
    Location:
    Zagreb, HR
    Yeah sure. Evil Jose and his evil ways.
    Am I doing this right?
  27. Nov 9, 2018 at 00:39

    Relfy Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2014
    Messages:
    258
    He wins =he's shite. He loses =he should be sacked. Some people on here need to get a grip ffs. You'd have everyone believe we have a divine right to win every week. F that. Give me excitement, wobbles and drama. Good win, now let's build on that on Sunday
  28. Nov 9, 2018 at 05:24

    Rifer Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2017
    Messages:
    2,844
    Location:
    Losing to Comeback Winning!
    Simple answer -- yes, plenty more other managers can. Football is football.
  29. Nov 9, 2018 at 05:38

    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    67,488
    Location:
    india
    Plenty of managers win games when their teams weren't the best/their team isn't better on paper. Someone does it regularly. Klopp's teams tend to play better than the general view of the quality of his squad. Zidane's three CLs had quite a few supposedly lucky wins. Sir Alex, obviously. The Chelsea CL win. Portugal's Euro win.
  30. Nov 9, 2018 at 05:47

    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    67,488
    Location:
    india
    Because the performance and result don't merit it. He isn't just speaking about Jose's past. He's asking whether any other managing can pull off such results.

    And yes, many managers can, which renders the thread rather pointless. A middle ground between "Juve shat on us, we got lucky, stop giving us credit" and "What other manager can pull of that? What a cracking reaction post match lol", would be nice.
  31. Nov 9, 2018 at 05:48

    WR10 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2009
    Messages:
    3,550
    Location:
    Dream
    We should have been 4-0 down by 60 minutes. Otherwise, he reacted well to the situation at hand come 70 minutes on. I would have liked to see how he would have performed had we been 4-0 down by 70th minute though.
  32. Nov 9, 2018 at 06:02

    EwanI Ted New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2018
    Messages:
    82
    Spurs came back from two goals down away to Juve just this year, and bossed the game for 80 minutes to boot. And theirs was at the knockout stage. Hard to say our performance was much better than theirs, if at all.
  33. Nov 9, 2018 at 06:08

    haram Full Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2017
    Messages:
    7,531
    Yeah, Sir Alex.
  34. Nov 9, 2018 at 06:43

    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

    Joined:
    May 10, 2009
    Messages:
    11,838
    I don't think we played well, we weren't even good defensively. They hit the post twice and had lot of chances.

    Credit to him for making the right subs though as both had very good impact on the game.

    Still this game was so much better than how we approached the game at OT. We pressed and had decent enough game.
  35. Nov 9, 2018 at 07:28

    GE Negative Moaning Mentalist

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    15,098
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    No, a freekick and another freekick lumped into the box for a scrappy goal isn’t a “masterclass”.

    If we hit them on a brilliant counter-attack for both goals very late in the game, then possibly yes.
  36. Nov 9, 2018 at 07:33

    wolvored Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    Messages:
    3,606
    Any manager managing any top team could. How many times has a team been outplayed only to secure an unlikely win in the final minutes? Its not that rare as you think
  37. Nov 9, 2018 at 07:37

    RedTillI'mDead A Key Tool

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2010
    Messages:
    4,547
    Location:
    London
    Clever post to make you think!
  38. Nov 9, 2018 at 07:46

    RedTillI'mDead A Key Tool

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2010
    Messages:
    4,547
    Location:
    London
    Sorry opening poster, but you got this one a little off. Mourinho has turned things around in recent weeks and we are heading in a better direction. And yes credit to Mourinho. We've had a wall of criticism and he has overcome that, steadied the ship and got the team acting like a team.

    It's a little early in United history to be calling the plaudits and to do it based on one game is madness, especially a game where we were not in control.

    Also you can't spend £400m on a team that turns out to be a bit average and then be hailed a genius when that team pulls out a lucky win.

    The credit can be given for playing tight and opening up opportunities on the counter attack, but we rode our luck and a masterclass cannot really be deemed as such if such a high degree of luck is involved.

    As others have said the chance of failure was high. All we did is what Liverpool did in the Champions League final to AC Milan, we kept going and Juve didn't. They thought the game was won.

    The irony is that Jose the master would often do this himself. I think he has tried to close out games that we've lost or drawn more times than won.

    Jose's biggest fault in recent years has been failing to grasp that the best form of defence can often be attack.

    So in conclusion a masterclass no, another step in the right direction and sometimes you need a bit of luck, yes.

    On this occasion I think you've shot your load too soon!
  39. Nov 9, 2018 at 07:58

    meamth Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2017
    Messages:
    1,230
    Bigger than that City comeback last year? I don't think so.
  40. Nov 9, 2018 at 08:07

    cyberman Full Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    13,838
    Yes...based on Joses past.
    Why are posters twisting OP words to downplay the result? Jose in 2018 alone has beaten every top side he's faced.
    So yes, it is worth a discussion.