Can't underestimate the value of a good midfield

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  1. Jun 21, 2018
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    A strong and well-functioning center midfield is absolutely vital. It's what allowed Barca to completely dominate opponents a few years ago, it's what elevated Real Madrid to winning 3 CL's in a row. It's what kickstarted Juventus' domination in Serie A in the past years. It's what consistently brought trophies to Man Utd.

    When you looked at Argentina today, what were they expecting with that midfield?
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    Bruno Marques New Member

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    Salvio, Peres, Mascherano e Acuña is a bad midfield? what?
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    InLevyITrust Full Member

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    I agree midfield can be where a game is lost and won but what Argentina lacked today was team spirit, work ethic and leadership. The majority of the team were just waddling round the pitch.
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    Suedesi Full Member

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    Well, the Croatian midfield has a starter from Barca and a starter (and a reserve) from Real Madrid. The midfield for Argentina has no player any of the top teams in Europe would want as reserves. It's insane.
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    Cascarino Full Member

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    Yes
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    MadMike Full Member

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    No it's not. Don't lie. It's an absolutely terrible one.
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    Halftrack Full Member

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    It stands in striking contrast to their attack, that's for bloody certain.
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    Culero New Member

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    Yep. I knew they were not world beaters but Argentina got really exposed today, couldn't connect from defence to attack because the midfield is absolutely terrible in the build up hence all the long balls.
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    El-Manos Full Member

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    Croatia have the best midfield. France/Spain second? We could do with a Kroos/Modric type signing, that ‘controller’ in midfield. Fred although a good player is a completely different midfielder.
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    abdo99 Full Member

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    Yes this is correct. The best teams left in the competition will be the teams with the best midfields. As it always is in the biggest competitions on the world stage.
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    Cloud7 Full Member

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    Most important area of the field IMO. Always has been.

    A quality midfield can make up for deficiencies in both attack and defense.
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    Cheekiey Full Member

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    let's give him a chance first eh
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    Zen Full Member

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    This will just get countered with the similarly not great midfield Portugal have won a Euros with and currently have 6 points with. Deserved so too.

    Argentina's cracks run tremendously deeper. They are essentially England except they made 3 Finals instead of quarters looking a bit turd and are now blowing up. Both countries also put way too much pressure on them - I'm not many other nations do that on their players as bad. Brazil aside..
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    FootyGirl88

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    I agree - it's where games are won and lost.
    If you can control/dominate the midfield you will most likely win the game.
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    El-Manos Full Member

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    Read again please. I’m not downplaying his ability, just saying he’s not that type of player. Doesn’t stop him from being fantastic for us does it?
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    Tomuś Nani is crap, I tell you!

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    All countries do that but some of them simply don't bottle it.
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    Tbf there are much different ways to go about it. Fergie went a long time with much less then great midfielders. Hell he beat Arsenal putting Rafael and Park in a midfield 2. You just have to play to your strengths. Midfield helps loads just like any position, but there are teams who know they are weaker in midfield but stronger up top and find ways to be successful. Strong defences, dominant midfields, lethal attackers... can make it work with any area. A good system could get way more out of that Argentina side then we saw.
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    reddevil702 Full Member

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    Do you really even have to ask that? Mascherano was decent maybe 3 years ago.
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    reddevil702 Full Member

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    There is always an exception but I think for the most part it's the most common factor among teams that have been great over a period of time.
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    T00lsh3d Full Member

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    feck that, he's our player now, he's getting shitter by the second
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    MadMike Full Member

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    Bloody Mourinho :mad:
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    M4nu4Life Full Member

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    I still feel we need two more mids.

    Our midfield has been holding back since Scholes left.
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    Fergie would have got them to the final with those attackers.

    Keep things tight and surely one of those attackers will have a moment of brilliance. Uraguay aren’t pretty to watch albeit they have better centre backs than Argentina but they are the type of style Argentina may need to result to without a midfield. And trust me none of the top teams with good midfielders will want to play Uraguay.
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    Don Alfredo Full Member

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    I always though you couldn‘t be a great side without a quality midfield. This season I lost that believe, when Liverpool steamrolled everyone in the CL. I could name 100 midfielders better than the guys playing for the Scousers and they looked perfectly fine until the final. Still in the final I didn‘t think their midfield was very bad or they got outplayed. I think the defense was bad in some moments, Karius was a joke and the attack was disappointing, especially Firmino and Lallana.
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    Demyanenko_square_jaw Full Member

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    Being a Russian NT supporter my patience for romanticising a good midfield(especially a nice tidy possession one) at the expense of other areas of the team is pretty limited. A lot of our '90s and '00s teams were good examples of how to win the midfield battle 90% of the time and still arse things up overall due to other flaws.

    Generally i think a strong spine, versatility and balance throughout the team is a lot more important than being stacked in any one area.That's what those elite teams in the first post are primarily examples of imo, rather than standout midfields that often had to carry other parts of the team.
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    Yeah, not to mention that Fergie brought Carrick in 2006 enabled United to dominate the league and be a powerhouse of Europe until Barca late 2009s and made 3 UCL final in 4 years and could make 4 UCL final in a row if it wasn't for away goal.

    Since United's post winning UCL team, I think Mourinho's United 2018-19 is probably stronger than Fergie's 2011-2013 in midfield but weak in attacking lines up the likes of Lukaku, Sanchez, Co, compared to RVP, Peak Rooney, Hernández, Nani, etc.

    I believe we'll have most balanced midfield in a decade next season and if we sign new quality midfielders in case if Fellaini leaves so we'll have quality two midfielder likes of Herrera and a new signing on the bench.
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    It’s crazy Argentina had players like Aimar, Riquelme, Ortega, Redondo and Veron. Now they have nobody.

    I’m sure some Argentina fans would swap Messi for two of those above players in their prime because they do have a lot of goal scorers in their squad. They lack any creativity.

    Put Redondo and Riqulme instead of Messi and it looks balanced. They have Aguero, Dybala, Higuain and even Icardi who can score goals. Just the creating chances bit is which they fail at.
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    luke511 Full Member

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    Playmaker's win you trophies, simple as.
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    shamans Hoser

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    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    Also can't underestimate attackers, or defenders, or goalkeepers. Don't get the point of this.
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    MikeKing Full Member

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    Yeah, you usually need the whole team don't you? :lol: Also, it sort of tells us from the word, central midfielders. They are central to the game.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    So does center forward, center backs... :lol:
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    MikeKing Full Member

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    Indeed. Everyone is central to the game. except wing-backs, they can eat shit
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    Croatia's midfield 3 is perfect in terms of everything you'd want
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    balaks Full Member

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    Yes it is dreadful
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    Yes

    Mascherano was a great player. Key word being past.
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    Kovacic can't even get a start.
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    Playmakers need players to play with.
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    Lies. Being a gelled team is what gets you some where.
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    red4ever 79 Full Member

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    Midfield is the most important area of the pitch. It's where the game is controlled or lost. I imagine next season we will line up with Matic, Pogba, Fred and bring in Herrera and (another) as back ups. Looks decent on paper
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    Luckily for England, they got Henderson - the new Bobby Charlton.