Carlos Soler is the midfielder we are scouting most now.

Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Bestietom, Oct 22, 2017.

  1. Oct 23, 2017
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    rpg Full Member

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    He is just 20 yrs old, with plenty to improve. I would take any MC who is a tad better than Fellaini/Herrera.
  2. Oct 23, 2017
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    devilish Phil Neville's #1 fan

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    thanks. I'll definately will read their posts
  3. Oct 23, 2017
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    devilish Phil Neville's #1 fan

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    On the topic of Valencia - they’re flying a bit, aren’t they? Second in the league with only 1 less goal scored than Barcelona. Good to see them back up there so far.
  5. Oct 23, 2017
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    Kondogbia seems to be back as well.
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    devilish Phil Neville's #1 fan

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    I guess the nightmare surrounding the Neville's administration is now over.
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    not anymore for me, retired :P seen 2 matches from him last season so not a lot to go on. But I see hes doing well for himself
  8. Oct 23, 2017
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    Maradona10 Duncan Castles

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    Andy mitten has said united do want him in uws podcast(according to pilib de brun), i havent heard the UWS myself tbh. The only reason i believe this a little is, Mitten is very well connected to Peter lim and the neville's. Phill's son is still in valencia and i think we might be very interested.
  9. Oct 24, 2017
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    I'm on board.
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    Sun reporting we've opened 30m talks for him, in @christinaa 's great press gossip posts.

    That would be a very reasonable figure for this day an age!
  12. Oct 25, 2017
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    christinaa Gossip Girl

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    Thanks for your kind comments Lash! :)
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    Coincidence. The only players I think where being 6'0"+ was any sort of necessity is the CB's, which should be the case with most CB's anyway.
  14. Oct 26, 2017
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    I think we will definitely bring someone in, this January. Maybe even 2 players.
  15. Oct 26, 2017
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    Nope...no one is coming in !!...
  16. Oct 26, 2017
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    To you maybe, but not to Mourinho. Every team he's ever gone to has ended up taller on average, and more physical. The vast majority of his signings are always big and athletic.
  17. Oct 26, 2017
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    He is an interesting prospect but also similar to Pereira, just for the right side. He is not a winger. Not even a "mata-like shifted #10".
    Just like koke or Saul frequently play as LM/RM in a 442, so does soler. Buying him as pogba backup would be a tad stupid without testing Pereira in this position.
  18. Oct 26, 2017
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    I'm just saying I don't think it's a prerequisite for all signings like it seems to be on here, yes he tends to build physical teams and it's only natural that a manager would want some height in the team for set-pieces and in certain key areas (CB for example, like all managers tend to do).

    But he did also bring in plenty of more diminutive players. Sneijder, Ozil, Modric, Makelele, Di Maria, Fabregas, Pedro, Wright-Phillips, Willian, Salah, Robben, Diarra to name a few. None of these guys were particularly physical and some of them 5'7"/5'8".

    He's already got about plenty of height in the team with Pogba, Matic, Fellaini, Lukaku, Smalling etc and despite that people seem to suggest he can't sign a #10 or a winger or another MC to play in a midfield 3 without them being over 6ft.
  19. Oct 26, 2017
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    Android1974 Incredibly anal about player positions in lineups City Lover

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    A.Pereira was tested in our friendlies in that position, and “chose” to leave on loan.
  20. Oct 26, 2017
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    If valencia continues to improve its performance in the league, returns to Europe and builds a good project, I see it complicated that it sells to Carlos Soler for less than its rescission clause (80 million euros). Even having the need to sell, nowadays it´s easy to pay a lot of money for promising players. For example, the United paid a lot of money for Martial being much less than what Carlos Soler is today.
    Offering 30 million by Carlos Soler with the present and future he has is a joke, even tomorrow, Real Madrid or Barcelona would put that money.
    It´s clear that Valencia can only hope to keep Soler if he grows as did the Atletico de Madrid and values his players as did Atletico with Koke or Saul. If he does, Soler is very fans of Valencia and would remain in the club, Thet could even make of his "Totti"
    If Valencia doesn´t grow and regularly play Champions League, Carlos Soler can be transferred today to over 60 million, and even they want to increase the clause of rescission because 80 million don´t seem difficult to pay if he continues his progression.
  21. Oct 26, 2017
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    No one would pay 60m let alone 80m for this guy. He's only played about half a season of football and is still learning. Also if you read the scout report he is poor defensively. I would think that Valencia would probably be open to a player swap Soler for Andreas Pereira. For 60m I would rather get Savic. Jorghino or Jean Seri are much further along in their development and probably available for 40m or less. Your the kind of negotiator that would pay 60m for Danny Rose when Ricardo Rodriguez went for 16m or pay 31m for Victor Lindelof when there were much better deals to be had. United can't continue to be taken for a ride. We should copy the tough no-nonsense approach Chelsea or Spurs take with their transfers.
  22. Oct 27, 2017
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    Not on Soler, but I just saw this video of Lucas Torreira and was very impressed with his interceptions and his overall defensive ability. Would he be a better fit for our midfield, given that he plays somewhat similarly to Kante?
  23. Oct 29, 2017
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    Dendoncker is a better DM but I think that Mourinho wants an attacking midfielder. Mata or Mkhitaryan are not doing it for us and we need an upgrade on these. Don't know if Soler is the right one but he is being talked about a lot.
  24. Oct 29, 2017
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    Get Savic or Goretza then
  25. Oct 29, 2017
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    This.
  26. Oct 29, 2017
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    That's a shit point. So Axel doesn't get to play because he doesn't have "bottle" and try hard enough in training? TFM, RLC, De Bruyne, Lukaku at Chelsea all lacked "bottle" and effort as well then? Its pretty clear Axel's lack of game time isn't down to him training hard enough.
  27. Oct 29, 2017
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    You miss the point.

    Axel is not playing so much yet he's not whining or getting his agent to whine. The kid has his head up and he's working hard. Whenever he get's to play, he gives his all. It's a matter of time for him. Even if United doesn't eventually want him, he'll get his shot somewhere.

    Players are different. Some move on. Others wait. But if you are waiting, you might as well have the right attitude and be patient. You'll get your shot.
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    Looks a bit similar to Koke but with a bit more pace.
    I assume we'd have to pay his buyout fee now with the way fees have gone. Valencia won't sell for less.
    Worth seeing how he plays this season out but maybe we'll have to act fast before Madrid or Barca become interested.
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    Where has Andreas or his agent whined about anything? Andreas is two years older, its not rocket science that its a waste of time to play a couple hundred minutes all season for him. Andreas gave his all in pre-season and all of his appearances with us too. By that logic any player who asks for a loan has a bad attitude and is a whiner.

    There is also absolutely no evidence that Mournho ever gives a proper shot anyway.
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    That is too much for Soler agreed, he needs to prove himself more consistently to the level Saul has to be worth the same money.

    However, there's no chance they'd swap him for Pereira. Soler has arguably been better than Pereira so far this season and has impressed since coming in to the side, he's a year younger than Pereira and a hometown lad and a firm fan favourite.

    Also worth noting when you're bringing up Ricardo Rodriguez, he was bang average last year which is why Wolfsburg get him go for average money, simply hasn't kicked on and become the player people thought he would and at 25 it's highly unlikely he ever will.

    The difference between £16m for him and £60m for Rose (which it won't be, more like £45m-50m at this point) is the difference between an average left-back and the best LB in the PL over the past 2/3 years. One of those players would resolve Utd's LB crisis, the other would be wasting £16m on more mediocrity...
  31. Oct 29, 2017
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    Not sure what you are on about really. Andreas was on a normal trajectory. He was sent on loan to gain exposure and experience. It paid off. He was brought back into the team to fight for a shirt but he decided he didn't want that risk of not playing so he pushed for another loan. And I was not referring to him specifically when I referred to players whining when they don't get their shots to play.
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    I disagree regarding Ricardo Rodriguez. He is at least as good as and probably better than Danny Rose and your suggestion that Rose is far superior is laughable. He had a difficult last year because he was played out of position as a CB in some matches and the team was in turmoil. He is still a top-notch fullback and also younger than Rose and less injury prone. Rose would be more expensive not because he's better but because he's English. I wanted us to sign Rodriguez years ago and people at the time were telling me Shaw was worth the extra money because he is the best LB in the Premiership well I think history has proven that I was correct Rodriguez > Shaw and I firmly believe Rodriguez > Rose.

    Just because a player is cheaper doesn't mean they are inferior for example we purchased DiMaria for almost double what Arsenal paid for Alexis Sanchez. Many United supporters were saying the Dimaria was more expensive because he's the 3rd best player in the world but history has shown that Arsenal got the better player and better deal.

    Read ESPN assessment of Rodriguez:

    http://www.espnfc.com/blog/soccer-u...nt-come-cheap-but-hes-ready-for-the-big-times
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    Its a myth when people only look at the size and not the abilities they all have got. The only player i'd say mourinho would have got or plays due to his size is fellani.

    Besides players mourinho has signed before at other clubs dint have the size like we got. Modric ozil di maria benzema pedro willian fabregas few examples of that.
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    WHoooo, Just scouted him on youtube. This guy is how i expected or expects herrera on the ball, He is better than him and has a higher ceiling.

    If We really want him, We will need to act fast as possible. Barcelona , Madrid , Bayern Will be all over him if we dont act fast.

    Fast , really good passing and vision, technical quick dribbling , agrression , quick , can score goals , Work rate, He has every thing in him which are an united Midfeilder attributes.
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    These highlights are immense, which shows his all round game.
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    I hope their are truth to these rumous.
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    Great name, sign him up Woody.
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    Yep 'Carlos Soler' sounds like he'll be a good footballer. I'm in.
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