Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Macern, Feb 2, 2018.
Don't anybody dare. He has a lot to learn yet and nobody in this team to teach him.
Anyone who can defend and have some composure and not shat thier pants when they recieve the ball would be great.
It's not a short term solution, we'd still have 4 young players who can play in that position, but it's a chance to give them the opportunity to learn from & play alongside a more experienced player whilst they still can. Eventually the 4 young cbs we currently have would (hopefully) be at a better level than they are currently to take over both starting spots.
I'd swap Blind and Umtiti. Samuel is currently renegotiating his contract (60m buyout) and Blind would fit in with the Blaugrana style of play.
Centre not center.
De Ligt is good, but not good/experienced enough yet, better to let him develop
Tah is another one who is talented enough and has a cheap buyout clause i think, in the summer at least.
I am more than happy with Jones - it's our central midfield I am having problems with
David Luiz would have been the perfect ball playing CB to partner Bailly. Especially if we added Alex Sandro at LB.... But that shipped has sailed this month. He was available in January and we weren’t interested.
Now my top four picks would be Pique, Varane, Alderweireld and Marquinhos.
We don't need any more center halves
Happy with Jones as well.
The big thing you have to deal with when you play for Utd is that every mistake you make is highlighted to the extreme. Jones is the villain right now, yet previous league game v Burnley he was MOM. Harry Maguire is being mentioned by some, he made a mistake on Salah in their recent game, got taken to the cleaners as he was too tight on him, and Liverpool scored. You don't hear much about that, he actually had a very good game in that match. But he does that at Utd and we'd be hearing about it non stop, no mention of his general game, just that mistake.Need to be mentally strong. I don't think the lot we have are great, but certainly not as bad as some make out
Every CB that can release the ball from the ball quickly to initiate attacks should not be an option.
Agreed. We need to upgrade our fullbacks and midfield not CBs. We can even sell some CBs without replacing them. If we are to add someone to the CB position, we can get De Vrij on a free from Lazio as our ball playing CB before selling Blind and maybe Lindelof too. We have more than enough quality and quantity at CB as it is.
There are some of the list that I hardly know, but my option (for you or for Madrid) would be Giménez.
In all seriousness I’d be happy if we got someone like a Varane in and try to keep Bailly fit.
The others are hit and miss in terms of fitness
I still think Jones has the makings of a Steve Bruce type but is hasn’t proven reliable enough yet with staying fit
Basically what’s the point of having 5 cbs when 3 of them aren’t fit and the other 2 are imho physically too weak to play Cb
CB is by far our strongest position. Before the Spurs match we had 6 clean sheets in a row and we are still tied for City with the best defensive record. With all the injuries we have had in defense that is very impressive.
Varane's fitness history is pretty terrible too. He's basically the French Phil Jones, who is only just now having a relatively injury free season for the first time.
Either him or don’t bother signing one.
Koulibaly. Guy is class.
Bailly and Jones generally works, as did Jones and Rojo last season; common factor being Jones....but he still needs to keep working to iron out his flaws.
Maguire would be a good third option to fill in for the often-injured Jones and Bailly - he’d certainly play a lot of football.
I’ve got good vibes about Regan Poole as well, but that’s just based on potential; if he can get a proper Championship loan he might be able to impress sufficiently.
Skriniar is probably the best, most realistic option from that list IMO. I think he'll eventually grow in to a top 5 defender in the world, has been brilliant this season he reads the game really well and is mobile and comfortable on the ball and just 23 I think. Inter are notoriously difficult to negotiate with though, obviously, so he'd be expensive but I think he'd be willing to make the move.
Like many say - a match is won by center forward but the league is won by center halves. It is very important to have center halves who are reliable and can play with concentration season long. Of course, they will make occasional mistakes here and there, but that should be occasional.
Our center halves though have big shortcomings, so put any pair , it would not be complete. The pair of Baily- Jones had shown good promise but because of injuries, they have not get chance to play alongside each other again. Even when they are fit, they definitely have weaknesses.
It is utmost important to win headers given PL teams like to play long balls to big man upfront, and we have only Smalling who can deal with such balls. But we all know he is such a nervous wreck in the ball. Our center halves are not that great in reading the game, except for Lindelof, but he is so poor in the air, also lacks strength to wrestle off the ball. Rojo seems to be more complete than others, but he makes rash tackles every now and then and so susceptible to cards and suspensions.
I think we should buy one center half and pair him with Baily (Koulibaly would be my choice). We can sell Blind/Rojo and even one of Smalling/Jones if we can get good money and then invest in a CB who is more complete. Good thing about us is that we, as a team, have a very good defensive organisation. But when we are chasing a goal, the lack of quality in our back is shown when our center backs have to defend a large space or when they have to make passes to keep going rather than back pass to De Gea.
I mentioned in Fellaini post that, in many europa games, we tend to hoof the ball towards Fellaini who will control the ball and then we directly play from opposition box. If Fellaini leaves or when he is not fit, our center backs will hard time buuilding up play from back.
As much as we need fullbacks and a midfielder, we need one center half too and we can actually sell some of ours to fund the move.
The only reason our defensive record is so good is because of De Gea. I think most would agree on that. He's probably tested more than most other top GKs, too, because time and time again I see opposition teams waltz through us.
Jones is fine for lower teams that sit back, but his and Smalling's lack of on the ball skills hamper us both offensively and defensively. Especially in the big games. Hoofing it all the time when they have time to take it down or pass to a player resulting in the opposition team getting back up the pitch happens so often. I've defended Smalling for a number of years but he isn't good enough. I don't think Jones is either but we need options.
I, and many others, would take Maguire over both in a heartbeat. I'm not saying he'd be a guaranteed success but he's the type of CB we should be moving towards. It won't solve our problems because we're still a horribly coached team but I think it's about time both were upgraded on.
Do most really agree? I certainly don't. The options at centre back are really good. Jones has had an outstanding season, Smalling is a very good defender and Rojo was the best defender in the squad last season before his injury. That is before taking the big money summer signing into account and an extremely talented youngster in Tuanzebe.
Full back and central midfield are far higher priority than centre back in the summer.
Proper partner for Bailly.....
somebody who will stop the soft goals and lack of concentration that creeps into our game every know and then somebody who demands more when the going gets tough. Jose needs to step up and either identify somebody or work with what he’s got and get himself a lieutenant on the pitch.
Sadly, Varane is turning into a bit of a crock as well... For the past 1-2 years he has been constantly haunted by various injuries. He still has a decent number of games played but that is something to be wary of.
Gimenez is not good on the ball. No point replacing Smalling with someone who has the same weakness in his game.
Really like him. For some reason, he reminds me of Vidic.
We probably have the best depth at the CB position in Europe right now. A lot of guys people here are mentioning are not even better than Jones.
We have enough CB's. The issue for me is getting 11 players to turn up on a match day.
I agree that there's not many great CBs around. However that its silly. Skriniar would shit on Jones.
I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, its true that there's not many good CBs around. The times of the Rios, the Terrys, the Nestas and the Cannavaros are long over. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that there's no one better then Smalling and Jones. Bailly came here, with barely any experience, and he was in first team in no time.
So lets not underrate what we have. On the other hand lets not overrate them either.
I have not seen enough of Skriniar to have an opinion but, look at some of the names on the OP David Luiz, Glik, Garay, De Ligt, Dier, Toprak, Maguire, Hernandez, etc. If people are mentioning names like that they want us to sign any CB.
I have very mixed feelings myself. On one hand Jones and Smalling had been here long enough for us to judge that they are not United's first team level. If you put these guys alongside the various Stam, Johnsen, Rio and Vidic they will stick out like a sore thumb. On the other hand they aren't as shit as many portray them to be. In my opinion they stick in that grey area between first team and utility players. My biggest issue about the two is that they are growing old and yet they still seem to make mistakes 18 year olds do. Don't take me wrong, they aren't retiring anytime soon. However at this point in time, maturity should kick in to compensate to the slow decline physical aspects of their game. There's little maturity/football brain power in those two.
If you ask me, unless Skirniar becomes available (top quality CBs are too rare to be passed on) then I believe that United should tackle other matter first. You can't really judge your CB's pair when they are partnered with wingers as full backs and the midfield has just 1 DM and is usually played alongside an attacking midfielder in a 2 men midfield. I'd say keep the pair, strengthen the full backs positions, bring in some solid quality defensive midfield pair (Jorginho and Dier would be my favourites), play Lindelof more and send Tuanzebe on loan to a decent EPL side. That would stabilise the midfield which would allow the defence and our attack to focus on what they do best.
Then in summer 2019 we should be asking the right questions. Had Smalling/Jones improved? Is Lindelof good enough for first team? If not can Tuanzebe replace them (even in a reserve player role)? Should we move Dier in CB? Should we add a new CB? That sort of questions
I’ve hear thier is this English center back with experience at the top level whose been pretty sensational over the last 18 months, and has out performed Bailly this season when he’s played.
He also may be going on the cheap because he had one bad game and fans Don’t like him because he was a bit dodgy 2 years ago and can’t seem to grasp that time moves on so they want us to spent mental amounts of money on players none of whom have played better the him over the last year and a half.
Alderweireld, if Spurs will sell him. Hopefully not David Luiz.
We really need better ones to be fair
What I was thinking if he doesn't sign a new deal. Levy would still fleece us
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