Chelsea may offer Auschwitz trips to fans guilty of anti-Semitic abuse

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    horsechoker Sailor vee, this is a right off.

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    Full article: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45823397

    So good idea or not? I say not, would you really want a load of pissed up fans going around Auschwitz? If they even go that is.
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    littlepeasoup Full Member

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    Be racist. Get a free trip to Poland. Solid logic.
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    Chipper Full Member

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    If the club are paying for it, it kind of feels like a reward in a roundabout way. Free holiday abroad for being a dick. Visiting the camp isn't exactly a jolly but the rest of it could be.

    Blimey, just remembered the "free holidays to outdoor activity centres for teenage criminals" stories that used to do the rounds in the papers. I sound like one of the people getting all angry about it. There were "playstations in prisons" ones too. :nervous:

    If they said the fan had to pay, and if they were chaperoned by someone from the club to make sure they behaved then I think that might be better.
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    16 Beasley Street New Member

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    One way tickets, hopefully.
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    Smores Full Member

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    Just ban them for a time period. It's not down to a football club to rehabilitate, have they got such a problem that they need to be letting fans have an immediate way back after such offences?

    You just know they'll get pissed and show no respect for the place. It's a horrible experience is Auschwitz, from my experience i would not have handled anyone showing disrespect very well.
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    arthurka Full Member

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    Say what?
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    Raw Full Member

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    Yeah give them a free holiday why don't you. A simple ban should suffice.

    If they really want to try and better their behaviour, give them the option to sit through a lecture or a series of lectures and show them why what they've said is wrong. Perhaps offer an incentive like a reduced ban. Then if they come back and do it again, ban them for longer.
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    Morpheus 7 Full Member

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    Only Chelsea, horrible club.
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    Sunny Jim Full Member

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    Truth to be told, if you visit that place it will leave a mark in your personality. It's a horribly depressing place.
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    Minimalist Full Member

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    So they can post smiley selfies outside the gates like all the other knobs? Great plan.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    It's better to educate than ignore. Personally don't have an issue with it, but what about other forms of racism.
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    Don’t know about this one. Think it would be a lot easier, if they’d just beat them up.
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    yumtum DUX' bumchum

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    This will only work if they give non-knobend fans a free holiday to Mauritius.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt Scouse Lover

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    Racists get a holiday.
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    Rob Full Member

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    Visiting Auschwitz is a great idea for anybody. One of the most chilling experiences of my life. Imo, they should be required to pay for the trip themselves, and if they refuse, then simply stay banned.
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    No problem with this whatsoever as long as they're not there for a piss-take. As another wrote, better educate than ignore. Sends a signal too I think.

    Been to Auschwitz too. It really speaks volumes beyond words.
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    Bogman New Member

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    Remember that Donal McIntyre documentary where he infiltrated the Chelsea Headhunter mob?
    Some of the hooligans were recounting away trips in Europe where they would divert their journey to concentration camps and pose for photos doing Nazi salutes.
    I'm not sure this scheme is the answer...
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    InfiniteBoredom Full Member

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    Not a bad idea, this one.
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    klsv Full Member

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    Laughable how some think fascist scum are fascist out of sheer ignorance as if they didn't know what was done to the jewish people. They know well what they stand for so kick them out of the stadiums.
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    fergieisold Full Member

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    Hang on, is being anti-semitic the same as holocaust denial? I'm not sure that showing people that dislike jews that there were people who really disliked jews is going to help.
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    Kostur Full Member

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    Yeah like it will change anything.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    Have I ever told you all how much I hate Jew? You hear that Chelsea?!
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    Bubz27 ACMarket employee

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    If we can agree that racism stems from ignorance, then education is the only to get rid of it.
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    Bubz27 ACMarket employee

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    That's horrible but I'd imagine it's very different going with your pals on a football trip compared to going for specifically educational reasons.
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    ROFLUTION Full Member

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    A lot of the times it's just crowd mentality really. People trying to show other alpha-males who can say the meanest. In many cases I'd imagine it was mostly to piss off the other clubs fans like Tottenham, instead of focusing or even understanding the context. Anything to just get the hate flowing. Let's not pretend every football fan knows the full extent of what they're singing. Sure there are some who are plain out racist, but not all.

    I would guess about half a million people has sung the Adebayor song too - I wouldn't say that half a million people would be racist neither.
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    Going to Auschwitz doesn't sound like a holiday to be fair.
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    Ekeke Full Member

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    What if its a one way trip?
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    Van Piorsing Lost his light sabre

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    Why would someone send cesspool of human filth like Chelsea hools into a historically fragile place like Auschwitz ? That would only disrespect the victims even more.

    They're not about fooball and they sure as hell not about WWII history.
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    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    Would they also lock them there overnight?
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    Kaos Full Member

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    So what’s happens when they’re racist towards blacks? All inclusive trip to South Africa?
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    Not a bad idea. As someone who has an interest in world war stuff and well-read on the atrocities that went on in concentration camps, I can say that perhaps the education on Nazi cattle carts, shit buckets, gas chambers and Mengele's experiments might reform them a bit.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    Next up, Liverpool fans to visit the site of the Munich air crash, United fans to visit Hillsborough stadium, Russian fans to visit Africa
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    this will just encourage them to be more antisemitic for a free trip, the cnuts
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    squiggle Full Member

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    It's probably a good idea, though as others have said the question of payment is odd.

    But maybe a series of lectures - or even having to watch Shoah - wouldn't have the same effect on people who might laugh it off. Laughter's a very human response to something we find troubling (bravado shielding you from horror) but doesn't mean you're not able to experience compassion and empathy. Actually going there and being encouraged to think about it can't be bad.

    I get the feeling some (not necessarily here) are using this as an excuse to criticise Chelsea, which is itself pretty unsavoury.
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    ArmandTamzarian Full Member

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    It's a nice idea but it's a bit naïve to think people who do seig heil's and shout anti-semitic/racist stuff in a crowd of people would be somehow sobered/changed by the experience. They'd probably just be disrespectful there too.
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    Raoul Admin Staff

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    Free weekend in Krakow (with a quick excursion to Auschwitz). Few would turn that down.
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    awop New Member

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    I feel like it's weird that the club has to do that. They should be banned, fined and made to follow some sort of program. Not sent away on free holidays.
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    Moriarty Full Member

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    I've never been there but I did visit Theresianstadt and found that to be an awfully depressing place. I don't understand why people would take selfies and kid around at such a place but I suppose we are so far removed from the war in time that people don't appreciate what happened there.
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    I don't know, it's a very tough experience to walk around Auschwitz even today. I wasn't racist in the first place (or at least I choose to believe that :)), but this place really left a mark on me when we went there on a school trip.

    I think it's nice that they're trying to change their mindset instead of just banning them (and you can always ban them after). If there's a chance of them rethinking their views, it's a good thing.