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Chris Smalling 2016-17 Performances

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5.7 Average rating
16 Appearances
1 Goal
8 Clean sheets
  1. Jan 1, 2017

    Revan Full Member

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    By whom? If you mean by Caf, I have no doubt that you are right. I mean, he was rated more than Alderweireld too.

    Interestingly, if you look at squawka's rating after that Wolfsburg match (I looked only for EPL, didn't bother for Europa), Smalling got 300 points on 20 matches (an average of 15 points per match) with Blind 362 points on 21 matches (an average of 17.23 points per match). Of course it is not the absolute truth, but it agrees with my rating of them, and what I have been saying since a long time (even when Caf decided that Smalling is Bobby Moore on steroids).

    Over the course of the first half, Smalling was much better, but Blind was a bit shit there.
  2. Jan 1, 2017

    Sandikan aka sex on the beach

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    Smalling certainly needs a big run of form in the second half of the season.
    Bailly has come in and done well, Jones and Rojo are playing well, and you can't see us not going for a good centre back in the summer.

    We can't surely run with 5, so Smalling must be number 1 suspect to go as it stands.
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    K2K Full Member

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    I don't want us to sell him but I don't think he will be a mainstay in our first team.His lack of ball playing skills is a major Achilles heel for us and leads to panic with the defense especially with hoofing it out .However Jones will get injured again and Rojo' s form will dip or he might be sent off. So I'd keep him.

    Not sure he is willing to be cover though.
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    Kant-ona Full Member

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    A few months ago, this guy was - next to De Gea - the only player close to what we would call "good enough for Man Utd". Now he is in a difficult situation, however, he has shown that he can be one of the best defenders around, he has shown that he cares about the club, so show some loyalty. Criticism? No problem. But personally I wonder about posts like "hopefully we sell this guy".
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    ti vu Full Member

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    We played Boro who struggled for goal. Had our CB gifted them 4 chances each then noone can argue if we pay hefty for a new CB this winter transfer.

    I wrote in one of the threads yesterday Bailly was BAD too, but unlike Smalling he did try to take responsibility at time., and defend outside our box.

    Beside that 1vs 1 Traore you mentioned, Smalling for some reason positioned himself so far off Blind who was targeted, not just this game. What Rojo did well the previous game he started that he cover alot for the left back which Darmian, Blind both was targeted. The feel was that we sniff out the danger further from our goal. Yesterday though, more often than not Blind was 1 vs 1 with Traore with huge space between him and Smalling. Blind subbed off, but the goal again was similar with huge space left between Rojo and Smalling, yet for some reason he drop deep and opened move space and inviting trouble. It's like he's afraid of defending on front foot for some weird reason with all the power and pace he has.

    Already talked about his passing earlier in this thread where he refused to attack the space and help create opening for his teammate. He just passed the ball to his teammate for the sake of passing rather. He's not the only one though Fellaini did similar so that we had period of frustration in possession.

    Again, in no mean, I want him sold. Just saying he is far from our best CB as some people claimed with all his performance this season, playing injured, rusty or not.
  6. Jan 2, 2017

    Jaybomb Full Member

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    Where do people come up with this stuff? Martial, Mata, Rashford were all more influential than Smalling last season.

    Smalling played good cause of Blind. His calmness on the ball and reading of the game was a big help to him. Put Smalling with Jones, Rojo or Bailly and he is shite. Never a leader.
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    If he could cut out the brainfart moments, he'd be a top player. Looked like a leader for most part of last season, then goes on to get sent off for an unnecessary tackle in the most important game of the season.Been doing it for a while, that red card in Manchester derby, some silly goals conceded due to a moments lapse of concentration can make him look pretty average and liability at times. Needs to get his act together if he intends to be here long term.
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    I do agree with the latter to some extent, there were a couple of times where Smalling probably should have been a little wider to help Blind. But considering he was playing on the left side when he's spent most of his career on the right, doing that a couple of times a game is understandable and hopefully he'll improve. Especially considering that exact thing is a strength of his when he's on his normal right, as he spent all last season consistently covering for Valencia when he was getting caught out of position and also Blind beside him.

    With the former, I don't get that at all. Smalling has always been quite aggressive in taking responsibility and winning the ball. A good example is that moment in the second half where he came up and won the ball between two Boro players to keep us on the attack, but then the ref wrongly gave a free kick against him because he was knocked over by one of them and fell into the other.
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    When I mean taking responsibility, for example there is moment when the ball is between Smalling and Bailly on left sided of our formation after we conceded. We need the goal, Smalling was standing there confused and Bailly just had to get there. There is few other occasion when Smalling keeps pointing DDG to move the ball other than his direction while DDG seems to intend to pass it to Smalling.

    We were better not only in attack but in defense after Smalling was subbed off despite playing 3 at the back. By this point, I meant ability to defend and killed the space (defend high up field on front foot) is as very important for modern CB/defender. Bailly Rojo Valencia were very comfortable playing this way. We can commit more men forward while with high line we took Negredo out of equation altogether so less opponent attacker to worry about. Rojo and Valencia were even contribute in attack by provide width. Smalling was rusty after injury so we can cut him some slack in his defense, but I don't see him have ability to play such high line into edge of final third like we did later this game.
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    A fit Jones is a better defender than Smalling.
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    Kant-ona Full Member

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    Let's see what the players themselves voted: "Manchester United's first-team stars have voted Chris Smalling as their Player of the Year for 2015/16, recognising the defender’s superb season and illustrating the high regard in which he is held by his colleagues."

    I know, they are only players, not experts like we are. But still interesting.
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    Devil may care Full Member

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    Did he get a touch?
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    vi1lain caf sexpert

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    Yes, he won a few headers, made some clearances and even passed out from the back.
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    Geez a lot of guys are pretty harsh. Smalling is going nowhere any time soon. I think many of you bashing Smalling are not giving Mourino enough credit (or time) to work with the lad. He's got lot's going for him. 95% of the time his positioning is very good. I agree, not always, but in a good CB partnership, each need to cover for the other was we've been seeing between Rojo & Jones. Sometimes it takes a little time for CB's to really mesh. Smalling has the height to compete with the biggest of strikers and wins a lot of aerial battles. Smart move by Jose to swap him in and take Carrick out of the back four after the goal. I can see him & Bailly becoming a top notch combination but I'm glad to see Jones hanging tough and demanding (deserving) a spot in the team.
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    I just don't understand why anyone would want to break up the RoJones combination. They are outstanding together and the reason we've been unbeaten for so long.
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    Was happy to see him come on instead of fellaini for the height difference, just cos it made more sense (and allowed Carrick to move forward).
    He did well today when needed which was good to see after his last game.
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    This and Lingard thread lures so many stupid posters, why are we even discussing something like selling him, he was our best defender last year ffs.. Rojo and Jones are having a great run of form and if they maintain their form I have no problem with them staying our first choice now but Smalling showed he's monster of a player when in form so there is no way he will not improve under Jose, he will and I think he will eventually end up partnering Bailly so we go for the pure power, after this season halfway through I am convinced we don't need any CB, we have them four, plus Blind and great some youngsters coming through
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    Surprised some people actually think Blind was a better Centre back than Smalling last season.

    Blind isn't even a centre back, it took Jose all of 6-8 weeks to figure that out.
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    I think the issues is with Smalling himself not being vocal, communicate well to build a partnership. More often than not, it's his partner given it Evans, Rojo, Jones, Blind, Bailly doing the commander role. There is no equal mutual communicating as we see in good partnership in Rio-Vida and to lesser extent RoJones recently. I didn't mean Smalling didn't point or communicate. What I meant is more often than not when Smalling command, pointing, his teammate simply ignore him on many occasion as if they don't share same view of play. With RoJones, Bailly Blind earlier in the season, we season that they trust each other and seem to think in similar way hence better interchange, better notice each other communication.

    You can rewatch these last couple games and see how Smalling was ignored at time to make sure I am not talking nonsense.

    I think it's not as clear cut as you meant.

    There is this modern ball playing CB who is less competent in traditional CB stuff but is held on high regard by possession based team. They try to defend as a team further away from goal and using possession as main defensive tactic. In that sense, Blind was better toward the end of last season. Blind had flawless vs Hull City earlier in the season that Mourinho had no choice but to stick to him until Blind being found out. Smalling has not been doing much better so it's pointless to point out who's better than who now. Smalling definitely more favored by Mourinho if we have to defend deep though. Playing the optimal style Mourinho's trying to implement I think both suffering from different flaw and IMO prevent them to become first choice had the other 3 being fit.
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    Loublaze ATLien

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    Thanks to a change in formation and Carrick getting back into the team offering top notch protection in front of the back four. Same way you always talk about Blind and Smalling only doing well last season because of LVG's defensive tactics
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    I think Smalling was one of the main players to benefit from Van Gaals tactics, something Mourinho also alluded to earlier in the season (without naming names). He looks a very good player when he knows his role, but under pressure he isn't particularly composed or a dominant character.
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    Loublaze ATLien

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    Smalling dominated the players he was tasked to mark last season. Including Kane, Vardy, Lukaku and others. He stepped it up with his aggression and he was encouraged by LVG to do so. I don't know what games you were watching last season. Just look at his compilation vids for last season. He was very aggressive and very proactive and handled himself very well under pressure
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    If by "a few months" you mean a year, and if you by him and De Gea you mean De Gea, him, Martial & Carrick, then sure.
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    Ødegaard formerly MrEriksen

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    Obviously there's a lot of good/bad analysis on this thread but I haven't seen it being mentioned. Smalling looks far more comfortable playing on the right side of CB pairing. Every time he plays LCB he gets his body is all sorts of weird positions and lands in trouble. It's not as evident in the goal conceded against Boro but that own goal against Everton in FA Cup was a prime example. He really should only be played as a RCB.

    No matter what you say though, a player coming from injury sometimes can struggle to fit right away. Especially in this instance because since his last game, we have really turned around our style of play.
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    Problem is we have Jones and Bailly also favor right sided of the CB position. Making them play on the left may as well negate their passing. Adding that with Smalling limited ability on ball, we may risk playing hoof ball majority of the game vs teams pressing well and well organized. This point was mentioned before in this thread and the Lindelof thread where people speculated that Mourinho may want to add a LCB since Blind was no longer fancied at CB with Rojo our only comfortable option.

    It's not we turned around our style of play, but we clicked, and struck balance with RoJones (Jones and Rojo had worse games than their previous especially for Jones). Both can help building tempo and rhytm form the back to certain good level, which Smalling struggled while Bailly is still erratic with his passing.
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    Smalling is an excellent CB when played on the right.

    Jones will always get injured playing the way he does, and then he'll be out of the team. Rojo is playing the best football of his career, but we still don't know how long this form can last.

    Selling Smalling is the dumbest idea around. You don't sell a guy who is proven in the Premiership to get a guy who has only done it in the Portuguese league.
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    I don't think it's the just last couple of games you have to watch. Smalling was a key last year to us not being humiliated. As bad as our season was, Smalling was consistently one of our best players. Moreover he had some stellar games & matured immensely as the year progressed. This year he's been injured lost his place in the starting eleven; that's just the way football works sometimes. Make no mistake, Smalling has a role in the team & I'm sure he'll play his part in whatever successes we achieve in 2017.
    As for leadership, before his injury I'm pretty sure he was captaining the team in the absence of Rooney and Carrick, no? That suggests to me that somebody who knows a few things about leadership thought he could handle the on-field communications?
    If Carrick is rested & Rooney is still hurt who will skipper the side? If Smalling plays, will it be him or is Pogba ready to take the armband? Only Jose knows.
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    ti vu Full Member

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    The communicating on field, leadership on field may be different than in dressing room. Some players have both, some have only one aspect.

    Rooney is our captain and well high regarded by his teammate but as countless of Rooney thread, people pointed out he is not a good captain. Keane may be tense and players don't communicate with him off pitch as friend but on the pitch he commands and dictate our play. Carrick is similar to Rooney that he lacks they captain aura but respected as senior figure in the squad. At time, both can't lift the team spirit which we saw in Keane, Vidic...

    If anything it was the leadership in this team that took a huge blow under Moyes. LVG took the job with little leadership and had to spend on his trust on Rooney and went to death with his my captain always play policy.

    Back to Smalling, LVG named Darmian Blind Shaw as 3 guaranteed starters at the start of his second season despite Smalling was main stay toward the end of the first. Jones was playing with those 3 for majority of pre season and only injury prevents him to challenge Smalling for that RCB spot. As I said above you can easy see in game how players blend with each others and for preferred partnership.

    Being one of the best in a different system with different mentality not equals to being able to transfer that to another system and different mentality. Removing RVN for benefit of opting for a more fluid, free flowing system with inferior goalscorer Saha as no 9 (injury prone) helped us move forward since Saha has better understanding with Ronaldo Rooney. RVN's flaw in scoring outside the box makes, aerial threat, makes our play too static and predictable.

    Mata, Valencia were given the armband by Mourinho on different occasion, so i don't think we need to worry about missing of these official captains since even captain Rooney has become droppable. The team is evolving and there would be changes. When Mourinho first took over the LVG's old captains order was kept as not to destabilize the dressing room, just like how LVG had Fletcher as vice captain before his departure and Carrick took the place.
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    Smalling was great last season. But people keep forgetting the real hero at the back during that period. That was David de Gea.
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    ti vu Full Member

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    3 times (record) consecutive POTY can't be underappreciated? That's how bad we were last 3 years. That's a different topic though.
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    Like I have been saying in the "Rojo and Jones must play thread", Smalling never convinced me in his first few seasons where we played a system similar to what we are playing now, apart of his injury problems at the time.

    There is no doubt that the LVG system brought the best out of him and playing in a super defensive way where our goal keeper was our star player for consecutive seasons allowed him to shine in that system. In the system we are playing now I remain unconvinced he can be the leader of our defence.

    Good player no doubt, but not the final solution to our defence at the back. I do hope I am proven wrong and he can adapt to the way we play now, just like Jones and Rojo are proving me wrong about my previous thoughts on them, but so far I remain unconvinced.
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    I don't think it's because they necessarily want the partnership broken up, it's probably just because they're sick of reading this monstrosity of a word.

    Why is it you write this anyway? I'll keep this brief.

    1. Is it perhaps because you read it somewhere and thought it was extremely clever and then decided to adopt the word and run with it. We only get one shot at life sir, don't waste it by copying the rubbish work of others.

    2. because you refer to everything in your life like this. e.g if you happened to be swimming in the ocean and saw a shark and octopus would you tell people that you saw a 'sharktopus'? If you had a really close friend would you refer to it as your bromance? Or if you had a brother and sister called Jennifer and Ben(Jennifer being your brother) do you just call them Bennifer? Or in fact are you actually called Jay and you have a friend called Bomb and you call yourselves Jaybomb? Your username makes sense now, as does your bromance. Pretty unfortunate name for your friend Bomb there. Not sure why you haven't capitalised the letter b in your username either, bad form Jay, bad form. I hope he has an account called jayBomb to compensate for the complete lack of respect you've shown his name. If you're reading this Bomb, don't let Jay push you around, it's bang out of order.

    3. Is it in fact because your phone or tablet or computer or similar technological device autocorrects Rojo and Jones to 'RoJones' (you've just made me type that god forsaken word out now and I quite frankly feel lesser of a man). I was feeling mantastic before this event occurred and you've just destroyed me with that word, I feel like my life no longer has purpose.

    4. Is it because you've actually combined them because it sounds like the Spanish word 'cojones' which means testicles? If this is indeed what you have done then I bow down to your brilliance old chap, to make a hilariously witty remark like that is truly exemplary. I've actually just smashed my head on the floor now because I've bowed with an insane amount of enthusiasm. It hurts. I forgive you though because you've made my year with that reference. Jay - you've got some really big cojones.

    5. Is it because it saves you time rather than having to write 'Rojo and Jones'. If you want to save time perhaps being on a forum isn't the best thing for you. You'd never find me on an Internet forum wasting my time on silly things. Time is of the essence.

    6. Also now I've just realised you probably wrote it on your phablet didn't you?

    I bet you love a frappuccino for brunch to chillax don't you? Or do you like a toffee instead? (A mix of tea and coffee but you knew that didn't you). I do too.

    Have a nice day.
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    That was brief :eek:
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    :lol: What a rant! Promote this guy...
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    Smalling is a better player than Jones and Rojo, if you can't see that then you're just being ridiculous.

    That said, breaking up the Jones & Rojo partnership is not worth doing right now. If they're both still fit come the Liverpool game (probably our most important game thus far) they will start it together.

    Eventually, Bailly, Smalling or maybe a new signing will become the first choice partnership.

    That's as far as the entire disucssion needs to go.
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    Maybe he just needs the Rojo/ Jones transformation treatment from Mourinho, who does seem to prefer the more aggressive, instinctive defender type. Smalling has the problem of adjusting from the LvG crab system to which he was perfectly suited and had more time to think. He'll learn and adapt.
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    Best. Post. Ever.
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    We did turn around our style though. Smalling's last game against Chelsea had a midfield of Herrera and Fellaini.

    In my opinion, the biggest reason for our current form is introduction of Carrick into the starting lineup. He practically plays as a third CB at times. He takes on so much creative job from the deep that our CB's can primarily just defend. Our defenders are pushing up further now because Carrick provides reliable cover. Take Blind's goal against Sunderland for example, Rojo made a run to the edge of the box, Blind ended up next to Zlatan inside the box because Carrick stayed back as the last/second last defender.

    Jones and Rojo are clearly better than Smalling on the ball though. But Rojo is a LCB by trade. Jones has done a decent job there in the past, although he does look better as RCB. But if Smalling does have to start a game, I'd rather see him in a position where he's most comfortable because he looks a lot better player when he's playing with confidence.
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    Bloody hell that was funny, you had me in stitches. Should go down as an all time classic on here. Bravo Sir. :lol::lol: