Christian Pulisic

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  1. Jan 19, 2018

    beingshe7don Full Member

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    Mhikitaryan and Kagawa are good players but not great players. For them to excel, you've got to play to their strengths and a fixed formation. Pulisic has potential to be great. He's already matured for a 20 year old. Very similar to a young Rooney who burst onto the scene. He should definitely be on our radar and more importantly, he needs to play under a better manager to get even better. Liverpool seem to have their eyes on him, Sanchez or no Sanchez, this guy is an absolute must for the future. He's also a self professed United fan.
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    Dortmund fans asking what happens to him, because he is playing horrible. Sancho is the only one good for Dortmund offensive. Perfect cross from him.
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    Genuinely think he has been good compared to the rest. Yeah nice assist from Sancho, picked the cross well.
  4. Jan 19, 2018

    LuenerLinguist Banned

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    Pulisic was really bad today, coulnt create anything, couldnt get past his defender just not a good game by him.
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    He should stay another season or even two at Dortmund until he gets more consistent
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    You may well be right but its interesting to read how you qualify it. Quite possibly win trophies and always be - yes, but ‘exposure’ ‘money’ ‘brand’ & ‘ appealing to American fanbase’. He really shouldn’t be basing any decisions on the latter at his stage of development.

    Great potential and should do well wherever he goes.
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  7. Jan 22, 2018

    L1nk Full Member

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    Ectastic with the Alexis transfer. After Ibrahimovic goes in the summer, get Pulisic over the line and give him the number 10, his idol was Rooney growing up and he wears 10 for the USA, i'd be salivating over our front line then.
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    Time to set up camp in here now we've been kicked out the Sanchez thread...:drool:
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    black_crow Banned

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    Did you see a single game of him in 2017/2018?

    He has a really bad season and is absolutely out of form.
    Not sure if that would change under Mourinho.


    PS:

    Yes, I watch him a lot because he is an American football player.
    He couldn't help us atm.
  10. Jan 23, 2018

    L1nk Full Member

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    I did, i should of clarified that I think we should definitely get him IF someone else goes for him this summer, preferably he stays at Dortmund for atleast another year or 2 and develops, but i feel like he is a talent to the point we shouldn't get rivals steal a march on him.
  11. Jan 26, 2018

    Mcking Full Member

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    This lad is like a 'forward' Kovacic. Mobile, quick, fancy, talented and seems to have everything, but somehow always lacking in numbers. Until he sorts out his contribution in the final third, he shouldn't be put in the same class as his peers. I.e Mbappe, Dembele etc.
  12. Feb 8, 2018

    L1nk Full Member

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    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/foot...ster-united-target-christian-pulisic-11994878

    Basically he is/was a United fan and it's great to hear rumours about Mourinho wanting him but hasn't thought about moving to United or Liverpool because he has a contract with Dortmund till 2020 and is focused there, but we'll see what happens come the summer...
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    -------------Lukkaku--------------

    --Martial-----Pulisic----Sanchez--

    -------Pogba------Matic----------

    :drool:
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    Champagne Football Full Member

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    Pogba in a 2 is a disaster. Swap Pogba for Pulisic and Fabinho for Pogba and that's more like next years line up . Maybe Pulisic in 2 years when he's more developed although Rashford, Martial and Chong might have something go say about that
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    Scholsey2004 Full Member

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    Yeah, he looks talented but he's pretty average in terms of goals assists etc. Could be another mata; technically excellent but not terribly effective. Needs longer in the oven for me.
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    Well, the moment he becomes more than consistent his price will rise actually. Better to snap him now and let him reach his peak here rather than waiting for him to reach his peak at BVB to see his price got doubled or even worse, another club snaps him and he develops there.

    That if we're interested in him of course.
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    Curiously enough Pulisić is like the antithesis of Mata as a youngster, or even over the course of his career. Juan has traditionally been a player who was fairly productive because of fine decision-making in the final third, despite having a lot of underwhelming games as regards the general proceedings (especially in terms of technical finesse and playmaking). e.g. he posted 27 Goals + Assists at age 20 for Valencia - which was a highly impressive tally, and was spectacularly productive in his first couple of seasons at Chelsea:
    http://www.marca.com/2014/01/26/en/football/international_football/1390757759.html

    Goals + Assists shouldn't be the focus for young players since that offers a constrictive prism to judge them. They should ideally be given the freedom to express the full repertoire of their skills with production being a bit of an after-thought. e.g. Ribéry scored 3 goals for Metz at age 21 in his first season in Ligue 1, Ronaldo scored 8 goals and gave 4 assists in 2003/04 (and took 3+ seasons to score his first Champions League proper goal vs. Roma - before emerging as the greatest scorer in the history of the competition with 100+ goals), Sánchez with 5 Goals + Assists combined at Udinese at age 19, etc. Production comes naturally with age for most attackers - as their decision-making improves (this is something Pulisić needs to work on), they have better appreciation for spaces, are able to sniff out chances, become better at sensing final ball opportunities, become a tad bit more selfish, and more prominent in the manager's thoughts and approach, etc.

    Mind, I agree with the general thrust of your post in that Pulisić will definitely benefit from staying Dortmund for a while yet because he will have the chance to mature in a less stressful environment. Especially when a hypothetical move to United will mean competing with the likes of Martial, Lingard and Rashford for minutes - he's not consistently better than any of them at this moment in time. Though his contract situation factors in that, too (expiring in 2020): a prospective buyer will be in a fairly strong negotiating position in 2019 with just one year remaining on his current deal, with the threat of him leaving on a Bosman looming large - wouldn't that be a bargain - one of the better talents around for free at age 22, with a decade of football ahead of him. From a United-centric standpoint, he's of the perfect age profile to eventually succeed Alexis! :drool:
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    The latest rumours involving Borussia Dortmund’s nineteen-year-old attacking midfielder Christian Pulisic have come from the far reaches of German media’s Broadcasters Sport1. The outlet are claiming that Dortmund, while not wanting to let go of their American hero, are suddenly willing to consider offers in the £90million range.

    https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/live...n-christian-pulisic-thomas-lemar-jurgen-klopp

    Dont know how reliable Sport1 are but 90 million for Pulisic is a risk right now if you ask me. He doesn't strike me as a super talented kid, atleast not as talented as the best of his age group like Dembele, Mbappe.
    Although I like him, I would like us to wait for at least another season before investing that kind of money.
    But I guess that's the price of talented youngsters nowadays, with Leverkusen asking for 100 million pounds for Leon Bailey

    He again spoke about United a few days back

    Asked to confirm his support of United as a youngster, Pulisic told ESPN: "Yeah, I was. I was definitely a big fan.

    "Of course, right now I am under contract with Dortmund and I’m not looking around or doing anything like that so I’m very focused there.

    "But, yeah, it’s cool to hear all this stuff!"

    "Of course, the Premier League is an unbelievable league and you never know in football what can happen so right now I’m focused with Dortmund."

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ws/man-utd-transfer-news-pulisic-14265329.amp
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    If a club comes knocking with such an offer, they will let him go. I agree with your assessment, and I think the higher ups at Dortmund are aware of this as well. A lot of the Pulisic hype stems from his passport. If he were let's say some guy from Slovakia, he wouldn't get half of the media coverage he's currently "blessed" with.
    Such a transfer still might hold a solid business case for a PL club, due to his marketing potential in the US. His sporting value however certainly doesn't justify a fee that puts him into the same bracket as future potential Ballon d'Or winners.
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    Pulisic has the potential to be a great player but I think its a bit early for him yet, he would find the PL much harder than Germany.
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    Tend to agree from what I have seen of him. He doesn’t look anything special beyond some neat dribbling. You never know but I don’t get the impression that you are looking at a future top 20 player in the world when I watch him.
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    Great documentary -



    Interesting observation at 2:51.
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    I would actually say that, aside from his current spell of bad form, decision making is one of his strong suits (especially relative to his age). I don't think the Sport1 reports should be taken seriously, they aren't exactly known for (reliable) investigative work and since it came out at the same time as his "you never know what happens in football" quote it reeks of lazy "journalism". Generally speaking I would sell him without much hesitation for such a fee, because while certainly very talented he doesn't strike me as the kind of unplayable match decider type (like for example Dembele), however Dortmund are visiting Trumpistan for the first time this summer, so I doubt that they are especially keen to suddenly show up without him. If the kid knows what's good for him he wouldn't want to leave anyway, since I don't seem him suceeding at a bigger club at the moment, if Sancho was fit I wouldn't even be sure which one of the two would be getting the spot in their current forms.
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    I just think with Martial and Rashford, Mourinho will feel he has enough attacking projects on his hands.
    I think he will want some that can hit the ground running.
    The fact that there seem to be no WC attackers available is why he said we shouldn't expect one.
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    Some of you guys vastly overrate how important it is to be productive at a young age.
    Precocity and talent are different things, Owen was more precocious than Messi if you're looking purely at numbers yet he didn't have half his talent.
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    Hard to disagree with any of that, to be honest - particularly the staying at Dortmund part considering he's not good enough to be anything but a fringe players at club a Tier or two above - which will stall his development further. Also agree with the sentiment that while Pulisić is a good player with quality potential, he doesn't seem to be in the class of a Dembélé or Sané (even at Schalke) in terms of genuine WOW factor and raw match-winning ability as an individual. Remember comparing him with someone like Griezmann in another thread (or maybe this one, dunno) - with a sense that while Pulisić is a better dribbler at comparable stages of their careers, he is more likely to emerge as a top forward if he continues working on his fundamentals and polishing his consistency and workrate and positional awareness à la Griezmann over the years at Sociedad before breaking out at Atlético. Wrt. his decision-making, he seems to be a lot more hurried this season from what I've seen - in contrast with some of his more unflappable displays where he seemed more carefree and apparently had more time to make decisions, if that makes any sense - maybe the departure of Dembélé has placed a greater onus on him in terms of filling the void and he feels he needs to do more - which engenders a sense of rashness/miscalculation, dunno.
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    Yeah I agree with the poster who said we don’t need more projects

    We have Shaw, Bailly, Lindelof, Rashford, Martial and arguably Pogba (fantastic player yes but you feel Jose is on a mission to transform him into THE midfield player of a generation)

    I’m not saying go down the old ‘ageing superstar’ route but we do need players that will come in and improve the XI now
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    I think that's a general problem at Dortmund this season. After Bosz's initial streak of sucess the team got sucked into a massive downward spiral that completely destroyed any kind of confidence and while Stöger has steadied the ship and is getting results again the team's positional play under him is quite terrible. So it's safe to asume that aside from the first ~7 matches of the season the quality of possession and space for attackers has decreased massively compared to the Tuchel years, not just for Pulisic, but for everyone.
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    Scholsey2004 Full Member

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    The impression I get of pulisic is that he could develop into a Bernardo Silva class of player. Right now he just looks very talented but he's not at that level yet, assuming he will be. I can't help but think he'd go for an inflated fee so could be a high risk transfer.
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    Scarecrow Requested ban until 08/02/2018

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    I wasn't aware that there's a Bernardo Silva class already.
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    Scholsey2004 Full Member

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    Yeah, its lower than david Silva but better than Georgie kinkladze.
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    Fer Full Member

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    I havent seen Pulisic lately, is he better than Leon Bailey?
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    LuenerLinguist Banned

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    He is really bad lately.
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    Ali Dia Full Member

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    I think Malcom would be a better signing than this guy for us. The Dortmund curse along with the crazy price is enough to freak me out and put me off. plus points include his age, experience, marketing potential and he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who’d be off to Madrid after one good season either.

    Sane has really stepped up from the BL to the PL, so it can be done and done well. I guess this is why our scouts get paid so handsomely, our last 2 BL signings were pretty poor overal though so I’d have my doubts they’d get it right a 3rd time but I live in hope.
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    L1nk Full Member

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    He is, but it's easy to forget he's not long turned 19 and not everyone can be Mbappe, but I think the potential is there for all to see. I'd still love us to buy him because he'd fill that RW gap for years to come, and considering his form he probably wouldn't be as expensive as some might think. I think the best thing for Pulisic, Dortmund, and any club interested in buying him though is for him to stay at Dortmund at least until he's 21/22 and see if he develops into that player people expect him to be, or at least shows more consistent signs of it
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    Linked with us today bit price and a big risk IMO.
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    Nate Dogg Don't Make Me Angry

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    Sauce?
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    You ain't going for another right winger after lucas
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