Class our squad.

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  1. Sep 23, 2018
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    abdo99 Full Member

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    How would people class this current squad of players?
    For me there are four categories (but you can class them however you want)
    1) World Class
    2) potential to be very good or world class with the right coaching
    3) OK for now but need replacements soon.
    4) simply not good enough

    The first tier:
    De Gea
    Pogba

    The second tier:
    Dalot
    Bailly
    Shaw
    Periera
    Fred
    Martial
    Rashford

    The third tier:
    Smalling
    Matic
    Fellaini
    Lukaku

    The fourth tier:
    Valencia
    Young
    Jones
    Lindelof ( I don't think he's a bad player, just too weak for the PL)
    Darmian
    Rojo
    Herrera
    Lingard
    Mata
    Sanchez

    The third tier aren't good enough long term but I kept them separate because we don't have quality alternatives at this moment.
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    Mcking Full Member

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    Hard to class them imo since they were very good players when we signed them only to turn them to average to poor players. Pogba's our only genuine world class player though.
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    Treble Full Member

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    Same players would perform differently in different systems and under different managers. It's a pointless exercise imo.
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    Well, I think the second tier should be a player performing just below world class level and/or potential to be there. I'd have Matic and Lukaku there for sure. I'd also remove the majority from tier 4 and put them into tier 3. Not every player in a squad need to be world class. You'd still need players like Lingard and Herrera to come in and do a job.

    The main problem with this current squad is that there's a lack of balance in certain areas. We don't have a RW and a good enough ball playing CB and our first choice RB has lost a few yards of pace with the back up, even with his potential, lacks experience.

    Generally we lack top tier quality players (which is likely the point of this thread). That doesn't necessarily mean we get rid of 14 players in the short to mid term, but we do need 3/4 more top tier players to properly compete in the champions league.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Not really. A few players perhaps but jones, Valencia, young, lingard, fellaini and most of the rest will still remains the same.
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    Mcking Full Member

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    I think Fellaini will fit better at Burnley and Lingard, under Klopp.
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    Of the current squad. I would keep
    De Gea, Dalot, Smalling, Bailly, Shaw, Fred Matic, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Lukaku

    The rest are all not good enough
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    At this current moment.
    -I’d put Pogba in second tier, just not consistent enough.
    -I’d rate Fellaini as a good squad player that doesn’t need replacing.
    -Lukaku would be in first tier under the right tactics/management
    -Lingard is put into second tier, I rate him highly given the tactics.
    -Sanchez will be in first tier if JM weren’t here.
    - Mata probably third tier.

    The others I agree with.

    But the keywords are in bold.

    Plus Mourinho would be in 10th tier.
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    AlwaysRed66 Full Member

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    There is only one world class player here, & without him the last few seasons, it is hard to say where we would have finished. Thank god for Real Madrid's fax problems.

    The rest of the players, particularly offensive ones, it is hard to classify, as some would probably fare much better under a decent attacking coach.
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    The holy trinity 68 The disparager

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    Oh come on, the man has scored 104 PL goals. More goals and assists than any player in the PL since 2012 except Aguero. Same amount of PL goals as Drogba in 20 less games.

    If you think he is ok for now but needs replacing soon yet you think Martial and Rashford can become WC then that is just ridiculous. Martial is 2 years younger than Lukaku and no where near his level for a striker. Rashford at this age has nothing on Lukaku at his age.

    I don’t get this infatuation and over rating of Rashford and Martial while dismissing Lukaku so easily.
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    Mcking Full Member

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    Rashford? Meh
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    Are the answers meant to change each time we have a thread that asks this?
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    In what world is pereira 2nd tier and lukaku 3rd tier? :lol:
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    I'd barely take Martial ahead of Lukaku, but Rashford has nothing on Lukaku. Completely nothing. Only pace which he doesn't know how to use.
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    No I think. But it's a bit pointless imo as it absolutely depends on the form of the players.
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    James Peril Banned

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    Hehe... Dalot is second tier? Six games for Porto, zero league games for United... and he’s better than Smalling. Not jumping into that discussion.
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    Pogba is not world class. You need to be consistent to be considered world class.

    De Gea is genuinely the only world class player United have.
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    abdo99 Full Member

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    You can score a lot of goals and not be a top top striker. Mario Gomez had a brilliant record but he was never world class. The team right now is set up for Lukaku and he fluffs his lines too much when we need him to step up. Very good when in a team that runs up the scoreline against the likes of Luxembourg and Estonia but he's never going to be the player that breaks the deadlock for us in a tight game. How many of those 104 goals have been against top opposition?
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    Mcking Full Member

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    The tiering is not good. There's no place I'd place neither Dalot nor Smalling.
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    Minimalist Full Member

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    Agree with this.
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    Sandikan aka sex on the beach

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    In the world where we criminally overrate our youngsters, and massively underrate our best ones.
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    At the end of the day there's only a handful of players that have been what I class as reliable under Mourinho. Whether that's down to them is irrelevant.

    Dave. Smalling. Matic. Lukaku.

    Pogba, Herrera, Lingard are in the sometimes category.

    The rest is all up in the air or don't play enough to consider (Romero).

    As said before, this is all through the lens of Mourinho's coaching. There would definitely be surprises (players produce much better) under a different setup - I'm convinced of that.
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    1) World Class / Top exiting talents
    2) Just good players / has potential to be very good
    3) Not good enough / Time to sell and replace now

    The first tier:
    De Gea
    Pogba
    Martial
    Gomes
    Chong
    Bailly
    Greenwood
    Dalot
    Tuanzebe

    The second tier:
    Lukaku
    Matic
    Smalling
    Shaw
    Periera
    Fred
    Rashford
    Herrera
    Sanchez
    Lingard
    Fosu-Mensah


    The third tier:
    Fellaini
    Valencia
    Young
    Jones
    Lindelof
    Darmian
    Rojo
    Mata
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    The holy trinity 68 The disparager

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    And what has Martial or Rashford done to even warrant that they could become WC? Lukaku has done a lot more in his career to prove that he is a top player, the other two haven’t done much to suggest that they will.

    We will never win the PL if we hope Rash and Martial become top players. I don’t think they will.

    Relying on them two, Lingard, Mata, and we will get no where.
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    davidmichael Full Member

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    De Gea and Pogba







    Everyone else
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    DDG top notch
    Pogba and Matic I will let the slide.
    Rashford just for the romance.
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    First tier :

    DDG

    Second tier :

    Pogba

    Third tier :

    Any names not mentioned in this post.

    Shite tier :

    Darmian
    Valencia
    Young
    Lindelof
    Jones
    Rojo
    Mata
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    parkthebuslads Full Member

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    1:
    De Gea
    Pogba
    2:
    Pereira
    Fred*
    Sanchez
    Dalot*
    Bailly
    3:
    Lukaku
    Smalling
    Matic
    Herrera
    4:
    Shaw
    Martial
    Rashford
    Valencia
    Young
    Jones
    Lindelof
    Darmian
    Lingard
    Mata
    Fellaini
    Rojo

    *Largely based on hope at this point
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    1st "God" tier:
    De Gea

    2nd "Key" tier:
    Pogba

    3rd "Promising" tier:
    Martial, Bailly, Rashford, Shaw, Pereira, Dalot*

    4rd "Good" tier:
    Lukaku, Matic, Romero

    5th "Squad" tier:
    Valencia, Smalling, Grant, Mata, Herrera, Fred*, Lingard, Young, Darmian, Lindelof, Fellaini, Sanchez**

    "Time to go" tier:
    RoJones

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    * = not enough games for better evaluation.
    ** = need to prove more he still have it.
  30. Sep 24, 2018
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    Robbyb03 New Member

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    How do you not rate De Gea as world class?!?
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    The way I see it we should be playing way better with the squad we have, it´s not coincidence that players that delivered in other teams come here and play no where near their used level, the way Mourinho intends to play is not suited for any major club. Top clubs base their game on their top players, we should build our team around Pogba´s talent, not on the way Mourinho wants to play and force all the players to the system, the system should be build around the players available.

    Most importantly eventhough Mourinho system sometimes works it is always boring, a top club should always aim to play attractive football.

    Saying that, I think most of our players would deliver far better under another manager, right now we speak of how great City´s squad is, but before Guardiola a lot of players were not what they are now. Players like Sterling, Ferdandinho or David Silva were not even close to the level they show these days.

    Would Salah, KDB or Aguero would excel in Manchester United right now? being forced to play on long balls all game? Asking them to track back and worry always about defence before attack?

    It´s easy to blame the players saying they are not good enough but no team in the world buys all ready world class players, you must build them. We have some of those in the team, we just need them to be under the right manager.


    The first tier:
    De Gea
    Pogba

    The second tier:
    Lukaku
    Dalot
    Shaw
    Periera
    Fred
    Martial
    Rashford
    Bailly
    Lindelof
    Sanchez

    The third tier:
    Smalling
    Matic
    Fellaini
    Valencia
    Herrera
    Lingard
    Young

    The fourth tier:
    Jones
    Darmian
    Rojo
    Mata
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    1. World Class
    De Gea

    2. Really good but inconsistent
    Pogba, Lukaku

    3. Good
    Matic

    3b. Previously good but indifferent form

    Alexis

    4. Good Potential but inconsistent
    Shaw, Dalot*, Rashford, Lingard, Pereira, Martial, Lindelof, Bailly

    5. Performs when called upon
    Smalling, Fellaini, Romero, Young

    6. I don't know about
    Jones, Rojo, Fred*, Valencia, Mata, Herrera, McTominay, Grant, Darmian

    Tier 3b player/s previously belonged to higher tiers but due to performances over the past 1-2 years they have had their ranks lowered

    *: Not enough information available to rank player.

    Our squad is a sorry mess that the current manager cannot get Championship level performances from. We need squad upgrades. Some believe that a change of manager is all we need but that's wishful thinking.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    True, right now it's difficult to rate our squad cause the platform to perform just isn't there. Sure, some of our players reek of incompetence but others have performed elsewhere or in a different regime just here to a very high level. Should we just discard all of that and classify everyone in the outfield as just not that good?

    Forget not getting a tune out of talented youngsters, we're struggling to get a consistent tune out of proven top level performers like Lukaku, Sanchez and Pogba.
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    Mario Gomez was a wonderful striker. Strikers are meant to score goals, he did that. People seem to think anyone who isn't Ronaldo isn't a good striker anymore.
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    Jojo <3 Mou Full Member

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    I agree that it's difficult to rate the players.
    But, how do you account for the players that play well this week and stroll about the next or play well for a few months then sulk for a few more? System? I don't think that the system can be blamed for the inconsistencies displayed by this squad and it's one of the biggest issues that we have: Inconsistency. How do you explain this?
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    A meteoric rise for young Dalot, who catapults himself a full 2 tiers above Alexis Sanchez after an earth-shattering one appearance against the mighty Young Boys of Bern.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    Without any consistency in the system, there won't be consistent performers. Check out all the successful teams in Europe and you could write a page long post about how they play. What roles players have and the tactics of the team. With us, no one really knows. we randomly change set ups on a match to match basis. That has led to random performances on a match to match basis.
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    Eric's Seagull Full Member

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    I'll have to disagree with you on that. De Gea is world class in my opinion
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    Tier 1 - World class / great

    Tier 2 - good / young potential

    Tier 3 - solid squad options / players we can upgrade on in the future

    Tier 4 - not good enough
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    1 - DDG, Pogba

    2 - Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Fred, Perreira, Shaw, Bailly, Dalot, Lindeloff

    3 - Matic, Herrera, Lingard, Fellaini, Mata, Smalling,

    4 - Valencia, Young, Darmian, Jones, Rojo,

    Our defence, particularly at FB, is in tatters.
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    Eric's Seagull Full Member

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    I think Lukaku should be in 2nd tier. But could understand how someone might put him in the 3rd as he went from scoring 25 league at Everton to 16 league goals for us. He even 1 more in a season for West Brom in the lesgue. Personally I thought his goal return would be a lot higher coming to a better quality team. Others should be scoring more but it could be seen as a fair point that he doesn't score enough for a team aiming to get to the top again.