Combined Man Utd Liverpool 11

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  1. Oct 12, 2017 at 17:00
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    Probably only take Mane. Maybe Coutinho, but that's it.
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    Anyone including more than two Liverpool players is overcompensating for bias. For me it's Coutinho and Robertson (who seems to be underrated on here because he hasn't settled in at Liverpool yet, but gets in because we haven't exactly got our LB sorted yet.) Sure, Mané's great, but better than Martial? And Salah is just Rashford's pace without any of his other qualities.
  3. Oct 12, 2017 at 17:43
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    Salah (6) has scored more goals than Rashford (5) this season in the same amount of games (11). 2 of Rashford's goals were against Burton Albion whereas Salah has only played in the Premier League and Champions League
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    I like Salah, nice player @Sigma

    You sure about those stats though? When I look Salah is down for 5 goals.
  6. Oct 12, 2017 at 18:00
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    Rashfords minutes per goals (and assists) must be streaks ahead of Salah though given the amount of times he's subbed for Martial.
    Saying its 11 games each as if its equal footing is a bit misleading, especially when Rashford is a chance creating machine at the minute.
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  8. Oct 12, 2017 at 18:03
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    Salah 694 to Rashford's 504. Probably balanced out though by the fact that Man Utd's team is better and that Rashford got a game against a championship side in which he scored 2 goals.

    Of course though, it's hard to judge the difference between them after 11 games. All I was trying to show is that I think Salah is currently better than Rashford and tried to provide evidence which backed up my opinion.
  9. Oct 12, 2017 at 18:13
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    I don't get this ,Having little over 40% more game time is not balanced out by taking away more "meaningful" minutes from Rashford.

    So its 694 minutes for Salah versus 440 mins for Rashford if we deduct his 64 mins v Burton.
    It doesn't really disprove @Brightonian point..
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    Blind, Young, Darmian, Shaw, Moreno, Milner, Robertson

    I've never came across a more underwhelming list of left back choices in my life.
  11. Oct 12, 2017 at 20:27
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    He's delivered much more consistently imo. Definitely one that got away under van Gaal.
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    WhoScored has their goal/assist stats for club and country this season as Rashford: 8/3, Salah: 7/1. Meanwhile, on the pitch, Rashford clearly has a lot more about him.

    This is a combined XI for this match, based on right now. They've been close this season, to my eye, but Martial is special in a way Mané is not. And the stats favour Martial too, more goals and more assists in half the minutes.

    I'm using WhoScored stats here, I don't know if they're any good. I'm sure the points still stand even if there are slightly different figures available.
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  13. Oct 12, 2017 at 21:23
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    Except that Rashford is better than Salah.
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    I presume that's this season alone? Martial has largely come on against tired defences while we've been dominant. Mane has been Liverpool's most consistent attacking threat pretty much since he signed for them. I'm a Martial fan and my posting history will back that up, but Mane's a consistently excellent modern forward.
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    Mane > Rashford/Martial. But, given he's 4 years older than both of them, I expect Martial at least to have surpassed him, with Rashford having a good chance of doing the same.

    I'd put Coutinho and Mane into our starting 11 - maybe Robertson if he carries on the season the way he's started. The rest is all Utd.
  17. Oct 12, 2017 at 23:35
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    Of available players: De Gea; Valencia, Bailly, Jones, Young; Herrera, Matic; Salah, Mkhitaryan, Coutinho; Lukaku
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    Why?
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    I always find it a bit weird when people discredit players like this. Generally I'm not Smalling's biggest fan but he was excellent for a year or so under van Gaal.
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    If I was picking a starting 11 and bench assuming everyone is fit here's what I'd go for.

    De Gea
    Valencia Bailly Jones Blind
    Pogba Matic
    Mane Couninho Martial
    Lukaku

    Bench:
    Romero, Rojo, Young, Fellaini, Mikitharyan, Rashford, Zlatan.


    That is the best match day 18 you can possibly make between the 2 clubs.
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    De Gea
    Bailly Jones Blind
    Matic
    Pogba Coutinho
    Mané Firmino Martial
    Lukaku​
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    Rashford may be better I'm not sure. But anyway he doesn't play on the right.
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    Martial struggles to make United's first XI but somehow manages to make the combined United-Liverpool XI. He is a wizard, isn't he?
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    LOL at Mignolet over DDG. I can only assume that's a a joke.
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    Another interesting discussion would be Liverpool players outside of Mane, Salah and
    Coutinho who would get on our bench if our bench was

    Herrera, Mata, Martial, Smalling, Mikhitarian, Romero
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    How about the manager? Klopp vs Jose Mourinho.

    Klopp usually manages to whip Jose or at least get a draw in their head to head duels.
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    Wouldn't let me pick Firminho as a attacking midfielder.

    DDG
    Valencia Bailly Rojo
    Pogba Matic Coutinho
    Salah Firminho Mane
    Lukaku ​

    Martial would possibly break into that side of starts regularly.
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    Very good and pretty much spot on in my opinion also although I think Blind is debatable and I'd rather have Young Shaw or Robertson or the Liverpool right back that can play left back also (forgot his name)!!
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    Because I think he's a slightly better player.
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    That's pretty much what Danny Higginbotham chose on Sky with the exception of Rashford instead of Herrera.
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    Exactly this!
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    De Gea
    Valencia Jones Bailly Blind
    Matic Pogba
    Mane Coutinho Rashford
    Lukaku

    Only one I had to think about is Blind. Even then it's only between the rest of our LB choices.

    Salah does not get in ahead of Martial/Rashford at all.
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    No wonder he was a shit manager.
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    He really picked an entire back four made up of Liverpool players. Also, where the feck is Pogba :lol:.
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    Hilariously bad.

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