Corners and other set pieces

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    Di Maria's angel Captain of Moanchester United

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    Is there any team anywhere on the planet as bad as us at corners? We had Sanchez, Young and Lingard take at least one and not one got past the first defender. I think, at one stage, we had players refusing to take a freekick from the far side. The hell is wrong us at taking corners?
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    The problem isn't with enough goals from corners, it's about not getting past the first defender when taking them. That along with the fact we have quite a few big guys in the team and it's a little bit irritating.
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    It's a while since I read the article, but doesn't it also discuss getting past the first man and the difficulty of weighting the ball correctly? I may have posted the wrong link.

    edit: yes, yes it does.
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    Yeah, and the chances are, even if there's a 3% or so chance of it being converted to a goal....your odds increase slightly if you're able to put it in the right area. I remember Vidic, and even Evra during one season :lol: being pretty good at scoring headers from set pieces.
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    I remember back in the day when we had Giggs and Beckham, it seemed like a corner was a 1 in 4 chance of a goal. That may be completely statistically incorrect but I always felt we could or indeed would score from a corner. Like a corner was a really dangerous set piece for us. Now it's a waste of time.
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    We don't have any reliable set piece takers and for a big side, we're not brilliant in the air.
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    Barca. Everytime they have a corner it goes short then back to the halfway line. Dont understand it at all. On the flip side I watched a Serie A game the other day and it was Roma V someone. Corners were unbelivable from Roma, everyone of them whipped in and a chance
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    Young is the best right footed crosser in the team but he was marking Willian for the break each time
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    We are so bad at corners it's getting pathetic. Young, Lingard, Alexis it doesn't matter who takes them, it either hits the first man or straight into the GK arms. Our crossing in particular is shambles, just take a look at Valencia yesterday just before they scored, it was a pathetic cross.
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    It does and it's a good article. Still think that our corner-takers beat the first man even less than what is mentioned in there when they try to whip it in the most dangerous area.

    True. Last season in EPL, for example, we scored four goals and had less than 2% conversion from the corner (only City was worse). Chelsea for example had more than 5% conversion. Don't know about this season (will try to find stats), I can remember only the goal against Stoke away.
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    Yeah, not many that I recall either. Actually couldn't recall any, until you mentioned Stoke away. I remember conceding a header (where Jones flopped and slipped!) from Chopu Moting.
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    I also remembered Bailly scoring when someone hit the post after corner at Swansea away and that's about it. The truth is that we're quite obviously shit when it comes to corners, low general conversion or not.
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    That was Stoke.
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    In general, I agree with the point mentioned above that people overestimate the chance of scoring from a corner.

    That said, we are terrible at corners and constantly hit the first man. It doesn't look like we practice them in training at all.

    I think another factor is that the pitch at Old Trafford is not conducive to taking good corners. There's not enough space to take a run up due to the downward slope around the perimeter of the pitch. This makes it difficult to generate much power, particularly with inswingers, which could explain why so many corners hit the first man. Of course, if the pitch is partly to blame then you'd expect visiting teams at Old Trafford to be poor at corners too. Is this the case?
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    ayushreddevil9 Full Member

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    We fecking won the treble using 2 corners and now we can't even score them to save our lives.
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    ayushreddevil9 Full Member

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    It was Swansea
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    Stoke was Pogba header hitting the back of Rashford and into the goal.
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    I haven't been able to find statistics about this but i think in our case it would be more dangerous to pass it short to Young and have him cross it. Or pass it short to Martial and let him have a go at the defenders, and then pass it hard and low into the box. It definitely feels more dangerous, and it adds a level of unpredictability.
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    my brain doesn't work before lunch on mondays, apparently. :houllier:

    I can literally picture Bailly running through a box of red and white striped jerseys, this is weird.
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    Fully agree but isn’t this something that should be worked on during training sessions. Sometimes I really ask myself what they work on in training, even defending set pieces you hold your breath as we are so vulnerable and poor at clearing our lines, that with all the big/tall players in the team, puzzling.
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    This season in the PL. In reverse league table order:

    West Brom 7 goals from corners. Expected goals from attempts (an assessment of the quality of the chances) at corners 6.73. Set piece goals (not including corners, direct free kicks or penalties) 1. Expected goals from set pieces 1.88
    Stoke 7 goals (xG 5.92). Set pieces 0 (xG 1.14)
    Swansea 5 goals (xG 4.60). Set pieces 1 (xG 1.14)
    Palace 4 goals (xG 7.13). Set pieces 1 (xG 2.90)
    Southampton 6 goals (xG 6.67). Set pieces 2 (xG 2.19)
    Newcastle 7 goals (xG 5.56). Set pieces 1 (xG 1.66)
    Huddersfield 3 goals (xG 4.50). Set pieces 1 (xG 0.84)
    West Ham 7 goals (xG 4.79). Set pieces 0 (xG 1.57)
    Brighton 1 goal (xG 3.22). Set pieces 2 (xG 2.61)
    Bournemouth 8 goals (xG 4.17). Set pieces 4 (xG 2.20)
    Watford 5 goals (xG 5.22). Set pieces 2 (xG 1.91)
    Everton 2 goals (xG 2.94). Set pieces 3 (xG 2.25)
    Leicester 6 goals (xG 7.09). Set pieces 1 (xG 1.47)
    Burnley 0 goals (xG 3.28). Set pieces 2 (xG 2.28)
    Arsenal 8 goals (xG 4.52). Set pieces 0 (xG 1.70)
    Chelsea 4 goals (xG 4.30). Set pieces 3 (xG 2.52)
    Spurs 5 goals (xG 5.67). Set pieces 6 (xG 3.22)
    Liverpool 5 goals (xG 4.80). Set pieces 2 (xG 2.64)
    Man United 4 goals (xG 5.28). Set pieces 5 (xG 3.53)
    Man City 7 goals (xG 6.50). Set pieces 3 (xG 2.49)

    I don't have figures for the actual number of corners each team has had this season. An educated guess would be that the top 6 would have taken far more corners than the teams at the bottom, so the likes of West Brom, Stoke, Newcastle and Bournemouth probably have a far higher success rate than Arsenal or City.

    I would have expected teams that were good at corners, would also be a threat at set pieces that aren't direct free kicks but those figures don't seem to support that theory.
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    Old Trafford seems to have this really weird slope on the corners. It can't be good for corner takers to be running up on an incline to take a corner.
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    Sanchez and Lingard corners are really bad. They always hit it at the near post with no aim. Need a better corner expert.
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    Give me your memory :lol:
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    :lol:

    Nah, you would end up hugely disappointed. I have a habit of remembering non-important, even stupid moments and data, but forgetting important ones (my wife can confirm). Remember this one as Rashford didn't know he scored when the ball went into the net so it was hilarious. Something like Chicarito assisting himself by hitting his own face against Chelsea.
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    :lol: the poor missus!

    Hahaha at least I remember that Chich moment
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    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

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    Pogba should take them. He's always on free kick duty and he has a great shot on him too. I know we'll lose his presence in the box but it's the better than having so many tall players in the box and nobody being able to get the ball past the first man. What's the point of assembling a team of giants if we can't give them supply? This way at least the ones in the box stand a chance of scoring.
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    I think this is a decent idea. He should be able to get it into the right area regularly. All in all that should improve our chances of scoring compared to Pogba being in the box waiting for a ball that usually doesn't reach him.
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    Young at Watford and Villa used to be a specialist on set piece delivery. Half his game seemed to be diving then delivering a great ball.

    I have this impression that every teams fans think they are terrible at corners.
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    Tell me about it, looks like anyone taking one is about to pull a hammy.. doesn't look safe to me.
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    Our corners these days really make me cringe. FFS Alexis has also joined the "can't beat the first man" train.
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    We are absolutely dogshite at them. For one of the biggest teams in the league, our set pieces are an absolute shambles, and a much larger proportion of our goals should be coming from set pieces and corners.
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    Your probably mid table when it comes to set pieces, so not that bad really. This seasons stats

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    OnlyTwoDaSilvas Gullible

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    Short corners are largely unpopular, but I'd rather see us go short and go at the defence direct from there, as they at least pose more of a threat rather than the corners that hit the first man or float over everyone.

    RVP in 12/13 was the best corner taker we've had in ages, and not had anything close since.
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    ayushreddevil9 Full Member

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    Qpr, hull and villa?
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    Oops wrong year lol
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    We are definitely poor at them - I get the impression Mou isn't too fussed with corners. Probably sees it as a part of the game that leaves us vulnerable to counters.

    Would like to see us floating more balls into the box. We're a big team and I'm pretty sure these professional players can it the right areas 9 times out of 10 if they're not trying to put a stupid amount of whip on it. At least this will give us a chance to challenge for the ball and create a bit of chaos.
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    I am also generally disappointed with our corners. Its so disappointing to see our corners hitting the first man. And when Rashford is taking corners, he hits it so hard, its almost impossible to direct it towards goal - that is, if a player happens to reach it first.

    Typically, we have 4 players ( Smalling, Matic, POgba, Lukaku) in the opposition box to attack corners, and these are more or less marked by opposition given every team has at least 3-4 good headers/tall players. If our second CB is good header and goes to opposition box to attack corners, it could make some marginal difference.

    Anyways, I so miss RVP's corners and set piece delivery.
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