Could Mou be about to change tactic?

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    golden_blunder Dreaming of a return to 4-4-2

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    and move to 3 at the back?

    Spurs and Chelsea have shown that it can work in the PL
    Would allow united to be more attacking by adding a 2nd forward

    Gk
    CB--CB--CB
    -----DM-----
    RW/RWB--CM--CM--LW/LWB
    ---------FW----ST---------


    The players we've been linked with for DM and LW would certainly allow us to be more flexible for tactics like this
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    Android1974 Full Member

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    No. More likely a 4-4-2 than a 3-5-2.
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    golden_blunder Dreaming of a return to 4-4-2

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    Unsure about pogba in 442 though
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    We don't look to be interested in wingbacks, so I highly doubt it. We'll be rocking his ordinary 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3.
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    Android1974 Full Member

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    You didn't like to watch him in his last France game, where he had the whole England team in his pocket?
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    Igor Drefljak Definitely Russian

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    I'd be all for it, made a topic about it a month or so ago.
    Right now, with the players we've got, it suits us best
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    CG1010 Full Member

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    Maybe he could use it as an option in some games but that can't be our main formation as we would be too thin in the CB area if we played 3 CBs due to the injury-prone nature of some.

    If I were to speculate, I would say Jose is modelling the team in the same mould as Fergie's teams in a 4-2-3-1 formation. If so, he has my full support as it has proven to be a winning formula over the years in the PL. But let's see.

    Also, maybe the tagline of @golden_blunder needs updation.:D
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    Infra-red Full Member

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    The transfer targets would tend to indicate he's building his standard 4-2-3-1. We don't appear to be in the market for any wingbacks.

    I expect we'll continue to alternate between 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3, just has Mourinho has at all his clubs for the last 7 years of his career.
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    GrandJury New Member

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    Probably this though I have a slight feeling he may set us up in the same fashion he set up Inter Milan.
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    golden_blunder Dreaming of a return to 4-4-2

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    golden_blunder Dreaming of a return to 4-4-2

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    Perisic or Shaw could play LWB and we already have Valencia for the other side.
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    AltiUn likes playing with swords after fantasies

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    I think a 4-3-3 is looking very likely.
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    Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04

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    With the right partner and against the right team, he can be brilliant in that position
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    Summit "do the dead, spread your seed and get out"

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    Yeah I actually think he could. One thing José talked about when he took the United role is being able to move with the times in an ever changing PL. Teams are seemingly going forward with success by using the 352 formation, and I think Jose may give it a crack next season.
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    PeteManic Full Member

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    Absolutely not. He has never used it in his career. A lot of FM players on forums these days thinking its just a matter of setting up a new tactic. Introducing any formation or playing style changes is a major commitment.
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    Summit "do the dead, spread your seed and get out"

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    We already have one perfect wingback, and I have heard Perisic is also a grafter on the wing and could play this role?
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Seems like a square peg in a round hole to me. I mean, Perisic is lauded - or criticised - for being a 'defensive winger' but I'm sure the Croats on the forum (cc: @Ban @Jim Beam) can attest to that really not being a genuine strength in his game. He's now what, 28, and I don't think he has ever actually played that position once before.

    I don't think Valencia offers near enough offensively as a wingback, fwiw.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    He is but I don't think he'll make a good wing back tbh. He is a winger and has attacking mindset first and foremost. Ansaldi and Nagatomo are more of a defensive left backs who play behind him so I'm not sure how well you can rate his overall defensive contribution.
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    MemphisDepay Full Member

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    I don't think anyone thinks that though, talk about an exaggeration.
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    MUFC OK Full Member

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    Would be surprised to be honest, think we are more likely to use perisic as a traditional winger and stick to the same system. If the rumours of bartra/a second striker joining prove true, then possibly.
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    flappyjay Full Member

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    Darmian played as a wing back for most of his Torino career
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    flappyjay Full Member

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    Also our goalscoring problems might push him towards it. Being to play two strikers without losing defensive shape would interest jose. Whether he acts on it that's another matter
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    Infra-red Full Member

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    None of them have played wingback with any regularity, so this would be something of a shot in the dark. Mourinho is yet to be convinced by Shaw (his injury may well have saved his United career this summer) and while Perisic has improved his defensive workrate in the last 2 seasons, he'd have quite some way to go to be considered a reliable option at the back. We'd also have no real cover for Valencia in a wingback role (Young, perhaps?)

    If a 3-4-3/3-5-2 was under serious consideration, I'm absolutely certain we'd be in the market for specialist wingbacks for both flanks. Rather than a massive tactical departure, the far more likely scenario is that Mourinho is looking at Perisic to come in and play the hard-running wide role that he's previously assigned to Willian/Di Maria/Pandev in his favoured 4-2-3-1 system.
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    flappyjay Full Member

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    Calm down and he has used it last season. Also how many Chelsea players had played in it before last season? Arsenal and Spurs started using it during the season and ripped rewards for it. So it's not crazy that Mourinho might see the merits it has , especially if he wants to play two strikers to counter our goals scoring problems from last year. I am not saying he will but people suggesting that he could are not crazy for thinking it.
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    KN5 Full Member

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    Play him alone vs the England team and he wins it, England aren't a good team, at all.
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    Home&Away Full Member

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    352 the formation of the premier league eh? Some managers are really clueless aren't they? :smirk:
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    stevoc Full Member

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    I doubt we're going 3 at the back and i hope we don't either.

    Mourinho has always played with various formations at times but almost always with a back 4.
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    golden_blunder Dreaming of a return to 4-4-2

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    Get a grip. I don't play FM.

    This is a discussion board, considering Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs adopted it last season successfully it's not out of the realms of possibility.

    Man Utd is not inter or Chelsea where he could get away with defensive plays. He must increase the goals for and this could be a way to get a 2nd striker in the team.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Whatever jose has in plan it would have been started 1 year ago.

    Changing formation is easy but preparing for the right individual to pull it off would often take several transfer window.
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    RAVred New Member

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    We're more likely to have 3 in midfield next season but if hes actually committed and we are to griezmann we will try and develop a 4-4-2 by the 18/19 season. Thats probably why hes trying to make Pogba play better in a 2 man midfield.
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    Mr.Ridiculous__ New Member

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    It's going to be some form of 4-3-3, I think. However more than the formation, he needs a good system of offensive play. His management style in United seems a lot more big game focused. He needs a generic system, that would allow us to regularly beat mid tier teams on a regular basis on cruise control. The midfield and defence have my vote of confidence, I don't think people realise how good tactically we are. I am praying, that Mourinho puts his mind into the offence just as much.
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    MILLHILLMANC New Member

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    is there really support here for that awful 451 and even 433. Mourinho should show balls and go for an attacking 442 at least at home. Pogba was sensational in a 442 against England. I feel he is constrained by the extra man in there.

    if he goes for the 451 (4231) again this season then get ready for boring, pathetic football....yay one up front at home against Huddersfield, Burnley, Stoke, West Ham - Embarrassing - cost us so many points last season.
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    frank lee madeer.. New Member

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    When everybody else starts adopting 352 that's the time to play traditional wingers , get in behind their wingback & pull the wide cbs out of position.

    Doing something because everybody else is doing it isn't particularly clever. You adopt a system that causes it problems ie width.
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    Von Mistelroum Full Member

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    Many of these proposed new tactics use two strikers....we don't even have one that should be a starter for United :nervous:
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    Oldyella New Member

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    We also used it ourselves in a few games last year, so its not outside the realm of possbilities we see it used again.
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    GailSpaceWynand Yes, I signed up with this name.

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    17 EPL teams played with 3 at the back at some point in the last season. That's an indication, if not anything.
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    On the paper it was a midfield 2 but on the pitch it was a midfield 3 with Kante and Lemar.

    If you want Pogba in a midfield 2 watch the Euro or the game against Sweden a few days ealier...he was decent but he can't be himself in a midfield 2 like Iniesta and a lot of other flair midfielders...

    There is a reason Conte and Allegri always played him in a midfield 3...

    It's the same Pogba that the one we saw in a 442 ? HELL NO !

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    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

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    The 3-4-3 trend will IMO be confined to last season. Mourinho already showed how to beat it, he's not going to shift to something he's just exposed the weakness of.

    I don't see him settling with one formation. He's a proactive coach and pretty flexible when it comes to setting his team up.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    One match though, a friendly too, so maybe not the best sample to use. There must be a reason why managers are reluctant to play him in this role. He sort of does for France but he 's been largely underwhelming, except for the last match you mentioned.
    Pogba can be the key to our season being fantastic just as he can be Mourinho's biggest headache.