Create the Toughest Premier League Season

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    Hernandez - BFA The Way to Fly

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    Came to me while I was driving home earlier.

    Try and create the most challenging PL season possible by picking teams while they were at their best during the PL era.

    For example.....

    1. Manchester United 07/08 season
    2. Manchester City 17/18 season
    3. Arsenal 03/04 Season
    4. Blackburn 94/95 season
    5....
    6....
    17....
    18...
    19....
    20....

    etc. etc.

    Finishing off with your guess as to who would have won that season, and who would have been relegated?

    (First thread I've made during my 7 year stint there, so be kind....)
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    SalfordRed18 Full Member

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    This is actually interesting.

    Can you do more than one great team? Like utd 98/99 as well as 07/08?
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    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

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    Chelsea 04/05 would win.
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    Good idea!
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    Cassady Supports Liverpool, Not Accrington Stanley

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    Random Task Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    This is quite an original idea.

    1. United - 1999
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    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

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    Hernandez - BFA The Way to Fly

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    If you like. I guess you don't, you end up just using "Everton's best season", "Villa's best season", "Leeds' best season" etc.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Man Utd 07/08
    Man City 17/18
    Liverpool 13/14
    Chelsea 04/05
    Arsenal 03/04
    Tottenham 16/17
    Everton 13/14
    Leicester 15/16
    West Ham 15/16....

    Ok bored now I'm afraid and the problem with this idea is Sterling for example played in two of the above sides
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    Cassady Supports Liverpool, Not Accrington Stanley

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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    No, why?
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    Skills Snitch

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    Lets see, teams I've seen

    1. United 07/08
    2. Chelsea 04/05
    3. City 17/18
    4. Arsenal 03/04
    5. Liverpool 08/09
    6. Leicester 15/16
    7. Spurs 16/17
    8. Everton 13/14
    9. Newcastle 11/12
    10. Villa 09/10
    11. Southampton 15/16
    12. Blackburn 05/06
    13. Bolton 04/05
    14. West Ham 15/16
    15. Middlesborough 04/05
    16. Fulham 08/09
    17. Bimingham City 09/10
    18. West Bromwich Albion 12/13

    Obviously impossible to do and I've probably missed a bucket load of teams.
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    99withaflake Full Member

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    Aston Villa from 1992/93 has to be in there. Finished 2nd with 74 points. Surely Villa's best Premier league team.
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    Doesn't make any sense to pick three United's teams. Best la Liga would just be various versions of Barcelona and Madrid playing each other. 16/17 Vs 17/18 Vs 15/16 etc etc
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    Theafonis In love with @Eboue

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    I really liked the Chelsea 08/09 team over the 04/05 team and I'd argue they deserve to be somewhere in there. If Hiddink had come in during the summer, that squad might have been remembered as a historic team with all our key players being at their peak and Deco coming in providing a different dimension of play. It was really unfortunate that Essien picked up that ACL injury and Drogba was out of favor with Scolari.
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    Would the best way to decide this be to vote for the best team for each of the top 20 clubs to play in the Premier League (so 20 small individual votes), and then have 1 epic vote on who would finish where as the second stage of the process?

    Long process I guess. Maybe not the best way :) But would sure be interesting.
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    Next thread idea: Toughest Champions League tournament?
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    United 08
    Chelsea 05
    City 18
    Arsenal 04
    Leicester 16
    Blackburn 95
    Spurs 16
    Liverpool 14

    It becomes a bit of a struggle with just sides best ever seasons from this point on
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    Leeds 99/00 were decent
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    99withaflake Full Member

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    Ok, I've had a crack. Jesus, that took a while and my brain really hurts.

    I'm going to have a sit down and wait for it to be ripped apart :D


    Toughest 20 Premier League Teams:

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    Manchester United - 2007/08
    (1st - 87 Points)
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    Chelsea - 2004/05
    (1st - 95 Points)

    Manchester City - 2017/18
    (1st - 100 Points)

    Arsenal - 2003/04
    (1st - 90 Points)
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    Liverpool - 2008/09
    (2nd - 86 Points)

    Blackburn Rovers - 1994/95
    (1st - 80 Points)

    Leicester City - 2015/16
    (1st - 81 Points)

    Tottenham - 2016/17
    (2nd - 86 Points)

    Newcastle 1995/96
    (2nd - 78 Points)

    Leeds United - 1999/00
    (3rd - 69 Points)

    Nottingham Forrest - 1994/95
    (3rd - 77 Points)

    Aston Villa - 1992/93
    (2nd - 74 Points)


    Norwich - 1992/93
    (3rd - 72 Points)

    Everton - 2004/05
    (4th - 61 Points - achieved more points in other seasons but didn't reach top 4)

    Bolton - 2004/05
    (6th - 58 Points)


    Middlesbrough - 2004/05
    (7th - 55 Points - reached UEFA Cup Final the following year but finished further down the league)

    Fulham 2008/09
    (7th - 53 Points - reached Europa League Final the following year but finished further down the league)
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    West Ham - 1998/99
    (5th - 57 Points)


    Southampton - 2015/16
    (6th - 63 Points)

    Sheffield Wednesday - 1996/97
    (7th - 57 Points)
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    3 teams that missed the cut

    Sunderland - 1999/00
    (7th - 58 Points)

    Charton - 2003/04
    (7th - 53 Points)

    Wimbledon - 1993/94
    (6th - 65 Points)

    Stoke and West Brom have never had a great season LOL



    Notes

    It's tricky because are we basing these purely on their league performances, or how good they were as a team that season across all competitions? Also, some seasons had better teams and standards than others, so a 6th place finish in one season may be more impressive than 5th in another, or 68 points in one season may be more impressive than 70 in another. In the earlier days of the Premier League, more matches were played too giving the opportunity to accumulate more points. Still, I've added the points total and finishing position for a tiny bit of context.

    If I had time, I'd put in a few more details such as best players and big matches/trophies etc. May do that later. Anyway, would love to hear your views.

    Edit: Making the odd edit to typos.
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    Yeah, wouldn't want this time-travelling imaginarium to get too unrealistic ;)
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    Rather than this, wouldn't it be better to have a list of the best teams to finish in those positions? For example the best EPL winner (City 17/18, United 07/08 or Chelsea 04/05), the best 2nd placed team (Liverpool 07/08 or Liverpool 13/14) and on and on.
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    Cassady Supports Liverpool, Not Accrington Stanley

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    Was kidding but a lot of people only include the Premiership era.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    Ah k. That's because no one remembers the dark ages of 80s football!
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    Ikon Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    How about some Ipswich 00-01? I'd probably put them ahead of the Sheffield Wednesday team you had in there. A much closer call, I think I'd have that Sunderland side you had just missing out ahead of that Wednesday team too although they both can't go in at Wednesday's expense so they'd still miss out anyway.

    Ipswich 00/01 W20 D6 L12 F57 A42 GD+15 66pts 5th

    Sunderland 99/00 W16 D10 L12 F57 A56 GD+1 58pts 7th

    Sheff Wed 96/97 W14 D15 L9 F50 A51 GD-1 57pts 7th

    I agree fully when you say that finishing higher or having more points when comparing teams from different seasons doesn't always mean a team was better as you're not comparing like with like and some seasons have stronger sides than others. Still, I can't remember precisely how good these teams were to the eye and would have to re-watch a load of their old matches to stop being as stats-driven as my assessment actually is.

    That Ipswich team being 9 points better off than Wednesday, finishing 2 places higher, qualifying for Europe, scoring more, conceding less, and having significantly better goal difference is hard to ignore. On the stats the only thing Wednesday have going for them is that they lost fewer.

    Player-wise I'd say Wednesday had more famous players. Ipswich didn't have anyone in the class of Des Walker and for the duration of his career probably David Hirst too. Hirst was injury prone as we all know and while he did manage a decent for him 25 league appearances that season he only scored 6. Andy Booth top-scored in the league with 10. Ipswich had Marcus Stewart having his once in a lifetime season as runner up for the golden boot.

    Largely irrelevant as I'd still have them missing out, that Sunderland team had the excitement of Quinn and Phillips with Phillips easily ending up as league top scorer.

    Another thing I agree with is the difficulty of just using league form or not. Portsmouth 07/08 could be a shout if considering performance in other competitions. 57 points, finished 8th, won the FA Cup and quite the talented squad with some fairly big names in there.
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    What about Boro 2004/05? It was a very entretaining team to watch as a neutral.
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    Not that though, United 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 miss out. The remaining 20 is the answer
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    1. Manchester Utd. 1999-2000
    2. Chelsea 2004-2005
    3. Arsenal 2003-2004
    4. Manchester City 2017-2018
    5. Liverpool 2013-2014
    6. Newcastle Utd. 1996-1997
    7. Blackburn Rovers 1994-1995
    8. Leicester 2015-2016
    9. Tottenham Hotspur 2016-2017
    10. Everton 2004-2005
    11. Leeds Utd. 1999-2000
    12. Southampton 2015-2016
    13. Swansea City 2014-2015
    14. Stoke City 2013-2014
    15. Aston Villa 2003-2004
    16. Middlesbrough 2004-2005
    17. West Ham Utd. 2001-2002
    18. West Browmwich Albion 2012-2013
    19. Bolton Wanderers 2004-2005
    20. Fulham 2010-2011
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    Cassady Supports Liverpool, Not Accrington Stanley

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    Liverpool 2008/9 was a better team than 2013/14. We had that football freak called Suarez in 2013/14 and that's why we got as close as we did.
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    To me period of 2006-09 was best premier league era.

    Man. United had spine of VDS, Vidic-Rio-Evra-Carrick-Ronaldo-Rooney-Tevez/Berbatov. Won all league titles and a CL.

    Liverpool had spine of Reina-Hyypia-Carragher-Mascherano-Alonso-Gerrard-Torres. Won FA cup and reached CL final in 2007. Underachieved in league.

    Chelsea had spine of peak Cech-Terry-Carvalho-A Cole-Essien-Makelele-Lampard-Ballack-Drogba. Won prem in 2006 and reached at least CL semi finals in three straight seasons. Should've won it in 2008.

    Arsenal didn't win anything but that was the last period of great football they played under Wenger imo. Were a joy to watch for most of 07/08 with Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky combining beautifully behind Adebayor/RVP. They were also still competitive in the CL back then aswell, reached quarter final in 2008 and semi final in 2009.

    All four have had good team since but don't think the four combined have been as strong as in that era and the CL consistant performances reflected it.

    The supporting cast was decent aswell. Spurs weren't as good as now but still had likes of Berbatov and Keane upfront and King at the back. They added Bale and Modric in this period.

    We had Young, Gabby and Carew all in this period causing havoc on the counter attack. Laursen and Mellberg at the back.

    Everton had a nice spine of Jagielka-Lescott-Arteta-Cahill for a good few years which had them in the 5th-7th positions on regular basis.

    All three underachieved in european competition in this period.

    This was time anyway when premier league unquestionably was best in the world for a period.
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    Man Utd 07/08
    Man City 17/18
    Leeds United 99/00
    Chelsea 04/05
    Arsenal 97/98
    Blackburn 94/95
    Liverpool 08/09
    Spurs 17/18
    West Ham 15/16
    Newcastle 95/96
    Southampton 15/16
    West Brom 12/13
    Fulham 08/09
    Sheffield Wednesday 92/93
    Ipswich Town 00/01
    Aston Villa 92/93
    Leicester City 15/16
    Middlesbrough 04/05
    Everton 04/05
    Bolton wonders 04/05
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    My first thought too.
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    No chance! The United side of 07-09 was just something else!