The bolded part is where a lot of people make a silly argument. Messi was 17 when he made his debut at Barcelona. Also if you compare goals for club and country for both from when Ronaldo scored 40 odd goals at United in the Ballon D’or year, then Messi scored more goals,whilst without including Ronaldo when he was still raw. Even though Ronaldo is meant to be the greatest goal scorer of his generation. He isn’t, Messi is. Also you are saying take out Messi’s penalties? Ronaldo has taken 115 and scored 97, Messi has taken 98 and scored 77. If you take out penalties then Messi’s goals per game is even better compared to Ronaldo than it is with penalties. Messi for a few years had to play up front with Suarez and Neymar sharing the goals. Madrid focused all their goal scoring through Ronaldo.