Cristiano Ronaldo - performances 2017/18

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  1. Feb 12, 2018

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    Complete nonsense, 2 good games in 2017 and compared to Benzema, one thing is to compare with past performances, and yes they have been poor, but twisting facts in some sort of alternative analysis without looking at the collective context like if the 2 can be separated 1 from another is just strange to say the least.
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    How does any of that matter to this discussion? I'm pointing out that Cristiano so far as had a very poor season, regardless of his stats, which come almost entirely from the few good games he's had.

    Yes, the entire team has been poor, but that's not the point. Mine's a statement, not a criticism of Cristiano
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    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    You say he's had a very poor season... and then you say it's not a criticism. What is it then?

    It matters to the discussion because almost all of those poor games came from him playing in a setup that doesn't suit him and never has which should matter when acessing a player's performances. Not that it excuses him from those performance being poor but it should be taken into consideration, that's all.
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    As i said, a statement. Poster said his stats are good. I countered his stats are greatly flattering. He countered that any player posting those stats other than cristiano would be seen as having a good season. I countered that he's having a poor season by the standards of a great player, and any other great player would also be seen as having a poor season despite those stats. That's all
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    No, thats not what I am saying. I have seen most games with Real the last years and I also believe that Ronaldo can do much much better. But my point is that with more or less every other player, we wouldnt call it a poor season if he had scored 9 goals in 6 CL games. Or we wouldnt care, because after all we prefer forwards who score 1.5 goals per Champions League game instead of goalless forwards who put in a good job.
  6. Feb 13, 2018 at 00:46

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    And i'm saying that's wrong. If Aguero was having the same season, city fans would say he's been poor. Same with any other great striker
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    It’s poor season in Ronaldo standard. As the greatest goalscorer in the game, we will expect him topping every goal scoring charts by now, but all he did is topping CL goalscoring charts only, and currently only 5th in La Liga is totally unacceptable (5 goals behind Suarez and 9 goals behind Messi in the league). He also has shown lack of consistency in the league so far. (miss alot of chances, not scoring in many games)

    But it’s a relatively good season for other players. Any goalscorer who has scored over 20 goals by early February is having a decent/good season. (For example Sanchez only scored 9 goals up to now playing similar position)
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    That statement certainly is a criticism.
  9. Feb 13, 2018 at 02:13

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    Ronaldo has been quite poor statistically this season actually; his xG is right up there with the world's best forwards but his conversion rate is absolutely shocking.

    Based on the chances he has gotten he should be better. It looks like Ronaldo is now a normal player rather than a freak.
  10. Feb 13, 2018 at 03:12

    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    Do you have any evidence of this?
  11. Feb 13, 2018 at 04:33

    Ronaldo's Mum Eh? Ronaldo is shite

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    It's actually a brilliant celebration that even players from other sports try and imitate. You're probably a boring that used to bring a metal lunch box to school :lol:
  12. Feb 13, 2018 at 05:22

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    No, his celebration is beyond awful.

    Solid player though
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    mate that celebration is embarrassing and cringey
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    His position doesn't matter at this point of his career, he survives by scoring goals as that's his only contribution to the team, if he scores he will look great, if he doesn't he's done.

    Care to explain me in his last game, how much his position influences his performance? A lot of people will say he was "great" because he scored 3, so you could thing "he's back at the wing or behind Benzema", when in fact he just scored his 3 goals totally in a lone striker fashion




    Two goals playing centrally and alone, another from set pieces, and it's not an exception, 90% of his goals in the past UCL (the run that everyone will remember when he retires) look more as a lone striker/second striker, than a player that comes from the wing


    He doesn't have a position he relies on to shine at this stage of his career, he just doesn't thrive playing backwards to the goal or without another player opening spaces from him (be it Bale, Benzema, or even Kroos/Casemiro in some situations) but beyond that, he's a striker, plain and simple. You can put him in the 3 attacking spots and his contribution to the game will be the same in each one of them, because he's just going to play attacking the space to score, that's what he thrives doing.

    For example, a month ago I checked his stats per90' vs his teammates in La Liga for a reddit post, he was:

    21th in Passes, only ahead of Navas and Casilla
    7th in inaccurate short passes, long passes were inexistent (passing little, and not good)
    14th in successful dribbles, Bale was the only non-defender worse than him
    Top 10 in dispossessions
    The second worst forward in Key Passes, only ahead of Mayoral (this counting Modric and Kroos)
    Last in attempted tackles (0.3 per 90, the next player has 1)
    Only ahead of Mayoral and Benzema in interceptions from all the field players
    Tied with Mayoral for most times caught offside

    Even in what arguably was his best game of the League season (where his KeyP and Dribbles tripled his overal @90'), the heatmap talks clearly about where he plays right now

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    Saying he plays out of position just makes it look like you haven't paid attention to him in his last 3? 4? Seasons at Real Madrid, he doesn't have a position, he roams freely in their attack. If Marcelo has the ball, he goes to the area, if Benzema has it, he either runs at the defender or shows around him, if Bale/Carvajal have the ball, he's at the penalty spot, when Kroos has the ball with Marcelo around he shadows Benzema, and almost the same with Modric. The only time he is around the LW position is with the 442 (Casemiro, Kroos, Modric, Isco) or in 60 meters counters, and even then he does come centrally a lot of the time because Real don't really look for 50 meter passes from their RB zone to Ronaldo at the back of the defenders like they used to, since he has lot some speed in those situations.
  15. Feb 13, 2018 at 05:39

    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    Ronaldo has bad stats? Ronaldo's playing badly. Ronaldo has good stats? Stats don't matter.
    Ronaldo didn't score? He's crap. Ronaldo scored?

    Scoring goals at a better rate than anyone else in Spain while being 1 assist shy of having the most assists for his club... no forward would get fans of his own club calling him very poor and asking him to be benched or sold. Tons and tons of people saying he's finished, asking for him to retire or go to the MLS and you have a Real Madrid fan saying the only reason he's not getting as much heat as Benzema is because of his reputation when Benzema since the start of 2017 has managed to score 15 goals in 53 games... it's incredible.

    He could score a couple of goals vs PSG and there would be more people worried about trying to spin it to not make him look good than people celebrating the freaking goals.
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    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    This isn't true. He plays completely differently when he has a striker next to him or when he doesn't. When he's next to a striker he roams around the pitch and arrives at the box rather than being camped there, when he doesn't he stays upfront isolated, this happened every single time he played with both Isco and Asensio. You can see it in pretty much every goal you put on your post.

    That heat map is the heat map of one game not even showing where he was but where he touched the ball, it actually shows he touched the ball all over the place too. He just had more chances than Benzema and was actually more involved in the game. Check squawka for the heat maps and check where both of their average positions are from game to game throughout the past year.

    Can you link me to the reddit post with those stats you showed or did you actually just remember out of the top of your head all those random stats and the exact positions Ronaldo was in from a post you saw one month ago? Not only am I certain some of them are bullshit, I'm certain their sample size is like 10 games. I'm also certain they don't take into account the number of minutes or games played and that they were picked with a clear agenda for the exact same reason you're using them now. Also sure literally no other player in the history of the sport will ever have to go such scrutiny that most of those stats are considered relevant at all... conversion rate this season being the perfect example for this. Turns out noone cares about that stat anymore all of a sudden, where are the weekly posts about it?

    How about these for some random crap stats?

    Plenty of players will come close to winning as much as him or scoring as much as him, but my God will there ever be a player capable of causing such intense hatred that people go through the trouble of searching through this much shit just to throw it at him? We'd have been on Mars by now had all these people dedicated themselves to it instead.

    Repeating a lie enough times won't make it true. For as much as I like Ronaldo, I'll say it myself he's nowhere near as good at football as you are at doing what you do.



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    As I said before, all stats are rounded up to per 90', that's the only catch, even if you were to look at them right now a month later (I didn't put screenshots in the original post):

    Passes per game
    Inaccurate short passes (was 7th, he's improved to 10th, but you can see there's some players in a ~1 pass window)
    Successful dribbles, leapfrogged Kroos and Bale by 0.1 and 0.2, maybe because he got 4 dribbles vs Real Sociedad
    Dispossessions, and remember, other stats say he's one of the players with less weight in creation (passes and dribbles)
    Key passes and he got 4 in last game, so you can imagine him being 3 spots lower a month ago
    Tackles
    Interceptions
    Offsides

    Now, bonus round that I didn't want to use before but, since you've basically said I have an agenda to make him look worse and that my stats were doctored or probably false

    Shots and Shots compared to other La Liga players

    So basically

    1) He's almost superfluous on the ball when Real Madrid are in possession, being the player that passes the ball less, in fact since he recovers a ball once in a blue moon, all his touches come from another player passing him, if we add some of his stats about what you can do with a ball (either pass it, shoot it, or lose it) you get 29 passes + 1 failed dribble + 1'6 Uns. Touches + 7 shots, so, by mean he's in contact ~39 times with the ball on a game and he shoots 7, so there's a 18% chance that if Ronaldo touches the ball, he's just going to shoot it, almost a 1/5 (nice betting odds)
    2) He is the player with less defensive duties not only in Real Madrid, but probably La Liga, at least if we look at the global for tackles where he only "beats" Bojan, interceptions is almost the same. This is a logical thing for most forwards but still other players get the fame of being lazy, everything is about saving energy for the key moments.
    3) He's almost always the furthest player in the field for Real Madrid, is only logical looking at his offside stats and comparing them to the league ladder, none of those players is a "winger".
    4) He doubles the amount of chances any other player not named Leo Messi or Suarez gets both overall and inside the penalty area, and is the player of his team with most shots in the Six Yard Box excluding Mayoral. And while some of those chances come from headers, his amount of shots with both foot is only 0.3 below Messi

    So, sorry if I'm not impressed by his performance in La Liga, or that he's the 5th top goalscorer with more chances than any other player,inside the area or the 6 yard box (nothing to do with him bombing from distance).

    A lot of players have been scrutinized in the history of football (thank god I didn't have whoscored in the Kluivert era), and this has nothing to do with looking for shit with hatred, this is about what a lot of people have been seeing from him this season, then people like me or even @giorno try to say that stats don't say the whole story and people like you discredit that opinion.

    You're the one that asks about stats a lot of times, just did it a couple posts ago, so it's not nice turning that against me now. You suggest that my stats were false and then say "such hatred why do you have to look this hard", this has nothing to do with Ronaldo himself, it's about backing my opinion against people that find excuses for anything. We all see the games, I can show you videos and at the end of the day, because everything is "subjective" there's this or that to disprove my global opinion (not just exceptions).

    But at least with stats I can back what I said, and I might stop other people who might be interested to talk with me about football from thinking I'm a biased, hateful bigot.
  18. Feb 13, 2018 at 07:59

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    what is wrong in that?
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    Jesus, you've got to be kidding me

    Just in the Napoli video

    0:35 "or in 60 meters counters" "he just doesn't thrive... without another player opening spaces from him (be it...., Benzema..." yeah, I should've mentioned he also likes playing with Marcelo ahead of him, my bad
    1:06 Another time he gets the ball 50 meters away from the goal to start a fast transition, and Marcelo is ahead of him
    1:16 Look at him playing like a winger, completely vindicates your point, he's the second coming of Figo
    1:25 "If Marcelo has the ball, he goes to the area"
    1:50 he touched the ball near the line, look at him mastering the ABC of football widening the field, is like he has a mastermind to play in spaces (fact, he does), but he doesn't take on like a... winger? Second time he just passes back
    1:56 oh look, whos the guy passing him the ball? "if Benzema has it, he either runs at the defender or shows around him"
    2:05 Look at our boy in a central position, who are around and passes him the ball? "when Kroos has the ball with Marcelo around he shadows Benzema, and almost the same with Modric"
    2:41 He's... on the right wing? I wouldn't expect... "he roams freely in their attack." "You can put him in the 3 attacking spots". Oh, and look who was in the right wing too, our Benzie, what did I say before?
    3:02 Marcelo has the ball, where is Ronaldo running...?
    3:10 Oh, he's back in the right, 50 meters away from the goal, and running at full steam towards the area to get a pass from the fullback, weird, also "or in 60 meters counters, and even then he does come centrally a lot of the time because Real don't really look for 50 meter passes from their RB zone to Ronaldo at the back of the defenders"
    3:57 He's totally a winger again, not a second striker, that's why he gets the ball, goes inside and passes to Marcelo (the real LW of Real Madrid) to run inside to shoot
    4:12 Oh, is Ronaldo, almost centrally and 60 meters away from the goal on a counter!
    5:03 Furthest player in the pitch for Real Madrid, and playing central when the ball is in their right flank, hmmm...
    5:10 Oh, a "winger", if our Ronaldo doesn't whiff the control what would he most likely do? 1) put the ball to the inside and look to shoot, 2) Kill the ball there and look for a pass to Benzema, 3) He doesn't miss the control, he totally wants to go outside to cross with his weaker foo into 3 defenders so Benzema scores a header!
    5:27 He's not roaming freely and playing in the center as a striker, big bad Benzema just bullied him out of the wing
    6:01 Somebody do something, Benzema won't leave the wing!
    6:09 Really, at this point you might still want to convince me that Ronaldo doesn't like being a striker at all, also he botches a backheel pass "doesn't thrive playing backwards to the goal"
    6:20 "Bale/Carvajal have the ball, he's at the penalty spot" Come on, I know it's James, not Bale, and he's not exactly on the penalty spot... but you could cut me some slack

    So, if I'm counting right he starts 7 times on the left wing (can stretch it to 8) with 6 of them consecutive at the start of the game, 9 times in a central (striker) position that would be 8 if we take away his pass to Marcelo, and 2 from the right wing. He creates two good chances from the left, 2 from the mid and 2 from the right (assist)

    That's your better weapon to ilustrate how Ronaldo is the player you say it is and not what I say?, one where he ends up playing where he roams most nowadays (center) without really fixating to the left more than 30 minutes and a game vs Las Palmas? At least I showed you a video of the guy making history, not a bunch of 1-2's and running at spaces vs Napoli or Las Palmas.

    Btw, I'm not going to make another run like that for the Las Palmas video but it basically shows what I was saying, he seems dangerous with space ahead and around the area, all the instances where he comes to do a pass back or tries something out of the ordinary for Real Madrid (5:00) it's not what you would consider his biggest selling point. I maintain that his biggest weapon is what he offers scoring-wise, the instances where he plays in his "best position" in both videos he doesn't do anything another Real Madrid caliber player wouldn't do, hence why I said "position doesn't matter". His asset is being where he can do damage, not with an anchor to the place he used to play in for a decade.


    If you don't see a difference between that Ronaldo and the one you just showed, we can close this conversation for the rest of the year
  20. Feb 13, 2018 at 08:44

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    If a player plays poorly, when talking about his performances, his fans will say that he's played poorly. Unless they're rabid

    Ok, 1) that's not what i said(more precisely, it's half of what i said, and the least important half at that), 2) even if it were, for whatever reason you're spinning it as negative when it clearly isn't, 3) you're using goalscoring stats with a guy who plays entirely for Cristiano, who's main job isn't scoring goals

    And that's my last reply to you on this argument.
  21. Feb 13, 2018 at 08:59

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    Aguero has similar stats if you look at league + CL. Both have had many games without scoring. Aguero has so far 9 PL league matches without goals, Ronaldo 11 La Liga without scoring. Difference is Aguero has more goals in the league and Ronaldo more in CL. Ronaldo scored in every match in the CL group stage and 9 overall. That is really insane and has never been done before. Then he had a poor start in the league but picked up. Wouldn’t call that a really poor season so far. Not up to his standards, but not poor. I agree his overall game has been poor in many games but not his whole season.
  22. Feb 13, 2018 at 09:12

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    Not trading pogs with you anymore.
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    And that's precisely where i say that stats lie. You see him score 9 goals and in every game, see it's a record and think it's insane. I see 4 goals against apoel, two of which inconsequential, i see a goal against dortmund in a friendly, i see a somewhat lucky goal at wembley towards the end of a humiliation....and i see the chances he missed in that game while it was still a game, and his poor performance in general. (Going to preempt it. Yes, the whole team was poor. No, i'm not blaming it on him. Yes, he wasn't our worst player, in fact was one of the few who wasn't complete garbage. None of that changes the fact he had a poor game, and the goal doesn't change that in the slightest)

    ...And i also remember Oleg Salenko being the top scorer of USA '94, ahead of Romario and Baggio. Point is if you want to judge stats, better look them in detail first.

    I would. It's not been up to the standards of real madrid. Almost nobody else in the team has been either, but again, that doesn't change anything.
  24. Feb 13, 2018 at 13:52

    Ronaldo's Mum Eh? Ronaldo is shite

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    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    Last year. Ended up scoring a hattrick against Atleti putting a 10/10 performance in the semifinals and literally telling the fans of his own club to shut up.

    Should have been one of the most embarassing things to ever happen to a fanbase but they don't care.
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    Tbf Madrid fans always have been like that, nothing personal against him, of course they are more tolerant with "cantera" players, but even that doesn't guarantee nothing.

    I have to say I like more Atletico Madrid because at least when they are in the stadium they don't look like someone who is going to the opera like at Bernabeu or Nou Camp.
  27. Feb 13, 2018 at 14:14

    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    @Ishdalar I can't be bothered with all that bullshit, that's the most insane, obsessed, pathetic and agenda driven post I've ever read on here. It's completely bonkers and I'm not wasting freaking 2 hours breaking it down line by line. Mostly because it would never stop, I wouldn’t change your mind and you will always have more shit to throw. You say he does nothing but score, I show you an example... you answer' oh but he can only do it because he has space in front of him and people opening that space for him'... It's impossible to get anything out of this.

    Most of that post is arguing that he’s not a winger too when I never said he was and he obviously isn't anymore. Wtf
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  28. Feb 13, 2018 at 14:15

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    Last season he scored 21 goals and 7 assists in his first 35 games. Then once the Knockouts began in the CL he scored 21 goals and 5 assists in the remaining 25 games. Granted he missed 5 games due to injuries in the first 35 games and he only missed 1 of the last 25, but even so, his performances last year got notably better when the chips were down. I'm expecting similar this year even more so given this will probably be his last world cup in the summer. He'll be wanting to be in the best form possible for that.
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    That's what we hope. He's looked noticeably sharper in the last few weeks
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    Why you wasting time discussing Ronaldo with people like him? I stop caring about their so called "unbiased" opinions a long time ago. It makes it even more tasty when Ronaldo inevitably shuts them up. Just like last year. Cmon we had Real Madrid fans wanting to replace him with Hazard. First it was because he didn't score enough, then he didn't turn up in big games, then he wouldn't have enough assists or dribbles, he couldn't win with the national team, he would decline when reaching 30 because he's just a physical specimen. Tiresome crap that he has been debunking for god knows how many years of consistent, extra terrestrial numbers and achievements. You know with Ronaldo is always polemic. You should stop giving a damm about what some random Barcelona fan thinks. It's his opinion and nothing more than that. I prefer to enjoy a fellow countryman and graduate from our academy, being one of the best players ever, representing Portugal and winning like no else in the history of our country in this sport. Ronaldo will always have his detractors, that's what makes it savouring his achievements and accomplishments even better.
  31. Feb 13, 2018 at 16:03

    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    I agree with that and I only replied because he quoted me. It's just annoying seeing so many people absolutely desperate for him to fail. It would be fine if they'd shut up when he succeeded but the opposite happens and they dedicate themselves to downplaying those achievements in a way that no other player in history has had to face.
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    What the hell have you people done? :lol: This discussion has pushed me to 2nd place in the thread :nono:
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    Do you realize you're a Sporting fan and your opinion about him is as biased as Ishdalar is about Ronaldo?

    Every player has his detractors, not only in football but in every other sport.
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    He's a Barcelona fan, he's bound to do that. We even have Real Madrid fans doing the same. That's ok. I'm a die hard Sporting fan, associate since i was born and season ticket owner since young age and i also dispise some Sporting historical figures. For example Pedro Barbosa. Played almost all his career at Sporting, won league and cup, was captain and i dispise him. Ronaldo is a polarizing figure. You won't find unanimity in what concerns discussing Ronaldo. Specially in this board. I used to do what you currently do. But i end up giving up on that. Too much time consuming and when Ronaldo inevitably shuts them up, they move on to something else, like i specified on my previous post. It's not worth it.
    People might be desperate but he won't fail. He will decline but that's natural, you can't win against father time. But his legacy, numbers, achievements, awards will live on in football eternity. That's a battle he already won and these armchair pundits lost.
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    I know this is off topic, but in a recent interview Inácio confirmed all that I thought about him, one of the worst captains we had, added with the fact he also was director of football when Paulo Bento was there.

    Remember Carlos Severino some years ago saying at the halftime of that UEFA Cup final this piece of shit was only interested in receiving bonus, him, Sá Pinto, Rui Jorge and Beto made everything they wanted from Peseiro. For me football is = 0 idols.
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    Spot on mate. Exactly my opinion. Only one thing left. He only played really well and with real commitment in the years previous to having to renew his contracts.
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    Thank you for reminding me that i'm a Sporting fan. Where did i say i wasn't biased? It's pretty clear that i'm biased. Being portuguese, a Sporting fan and with my historial here, i never claimed otherwise. But i'm flattered your first post is about that but if you read my posts with attention you wouldn't have wasted your post. Your opinion, my opinion, that Barcelona fan opinion is subjective. Enumerating his numbers and achievements is factual and objective posting though.
  38. Feb 13, 2018 at 17:11

    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    No athlete in history has had as many detractors as Ronaldo, nevermind as dedicated. That's mainly because of globalization and social media though and he brings it unto himself too with the way he acts sometimes.
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    That's all well and good, but this is the 17/18 perfomances thread, not the legacy and achievements thread. Saying that his last game was poor and being countered with his legacy and achievements, and above all, acting as if that is equivalent to questioning all of that is boring, off topic, and after a while it starts to grind. I understand that cristiano is one topic were it's impossible to discuss with you sporting fans(one of the resident portuguese posters compared you guys to a mother with her precious son, and it really feels like that) but you want to talk about it you seriously need to calm down and stop reading stuff into other people's comments that just isn't there

    @Peyroteo think LeBron gives him a run for his money in that regard
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    My specific posts didn't pertain to the 17/18 performances. I gave my opinion about the evaluation of certain posters of Ronaldo's career as a whole and not specifically 17/18. A thread never only has a set discussion, even if it says that it's about a specific season. The discussion always has other tangents. The Messi thread constantly analyses his career and achievements. . But i stop caring about that (i barely post in this thread) and i just gave an advice to @Peyroteo to do the same. Some posters, including you (even if you try to mask it) have clear agendas and try to downplay his achievements. If that opinion grinds you, it's your problem not mine. You have to deal with the fact that people write what they want and rebutte when they want. But i like said that's alright and he shouldn't get worked up. People have different tastes and like different qualities in players. I specifically gave my opinion of a former Sporting captain to prove my point. If it grinds you it's your problem not mine. The remark you mentioned about Sporting fans is just an opinion that i give no importance or validation. I've discussed Ronaldo with other users without any problem and without having to read stupid analogies like the one you mentioned. But i understand @Peyroteo reactions because he doesn't know the dynamics of this forum and when he gets used to it, he will stop getting so worked up. Messi fans also endure that type of behaviour from posters with certain agendas (for example Cal). It's part of being a forum.

    Coming from you i can't take this advice seriously. Cmon i've been reading you since the start.