Cristiano Ronaldo : The Juventus Chapter

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by van der star, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. Feb 17, 2019

    Rito New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2018
    Messages:
    91
    Supports:
    Chelsea
    You should meet more people then.

    Edit: please move on from the fact that he left your club. That might reduce the toxicity
  2. Feb 17, 2019

    MrEleson Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    326
    I’ve met many non United and Madrid supporters who regard him as the best ever.
  3. Feb 17, 2019

    RedRonaldo Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2003
    Messages:
    9,224
    This is credit to Quagliarella. He managed to score more than many young top players there this season.
  4. Feb 17, 2019

    Ronaldo's Mum Eh? Ronaldo is shite

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2009
    Messages:
    4,519
    Location:
    TORONTO
    You're a rooney fan. I seem to remember you thought rooney was the better player at one point :lol:
  5. Feb 17, 2019

    wr8_utd :'(

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2008
    Messages:
    33,072
    And in their early years, Rooney was the better player for us before Ronaldo of 2007-08 onwards moved on to a different level altogether.
  6. Feb 17, 2019

    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    12,234
    Rooney was clearly better at one point.
  7. Feb 17, 2019

    Grande Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    Messages:
    1,766
    Location:
    The Land of Do-What-You-Will
    I do think Rooney was better at one point too.
  8. Feb 17, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    8,051
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    2004/05 and the first half of 2005/06 Rooney was the better player
  9. Feb 17, 2019

    SirAF Ageist

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2003
    Messages:
    28,004
    This. Ronaldo kicked on from the winter of 2006.
  10. Feb 17, 2019

    Grande Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    Messages:
    1,766
    Location:
    The Land of Do-What-You-Will
    Agreed. Interrestingly, though I’d say they both were technically highly talented players who lifted their technique beyond most other players in the world through enormous amounts of technical training (Rooney thought it was endless fun and Ronaldo was endlessly driven), they had opposite trajectories when it came toteo things: physicality and directness. Rooney was a physical beast at 18, explosive, strong, relentless and agile, and only ever declined bit by bit, probably due to lack of systematic lifestyle and early hormonal development curve. Ronaldo, however, was quick an agile like hoards of talented youngsters, but due to his driven and systematic neverending improvement of his body, at 30 he was thrice the football athlete Rooney was at the same age.

    The directness was not really in decline much with Rooney, however I have never seen a more instinctual goal-directed 16 year old. Every molecule and movementbore the shortest way towards goal, wether through a shot, a run or even a pass. With age and injuries he become slower, yet more sophisticated, hence a tad less direct, though also the later memories witness to how eager he was towards goal (bicycle goal, 50-yard-pass to RvP, half line goal ...). Ronaldo was partly ineffectual, focusing on skills and artistry) and first became really important at United when he laid off the stepovers and started doing 50-yard straight runs at full speed taking us from dfense to attack in five seconds. Then crosses, then goals. He has rationalized himself every year for fifteen years now.

    It’s funny, at one time there were three supertalents in the world, and we had two of them. No wonder 2006-2009 was maybe our best era.
  11. Feb 17, 2019

    Andycoleno9 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,664
    Location:
    Croatia
    Piatek and Quagliarella are only 2(3) goals behind him and they play for average teams.
    And please, don't put Cristiano in same sentence with true football wizards Ronaldinho and Ronaldo.
  12. Feb 17, 2019

    SportingCP96 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,274
    Supports:
    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    The real Ronaldo..Cristiano Ronaldo can be in the same sentence as any footballer that usually happens when you are the GOAT don/t get it confused now.
  13. Feb 17, 2019

    SCP Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2016
    Messages:
    4,466
    Location:
    Lisbon
    Supports:
    Sporting Clube Portugal
    He eats Modric for lunch.
  14. Feb 17, 2019

    Andycoleno9 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,664
    Location:
    Croatia
    False Ronaldo Goat?:lol::lol:. With Messi or Maradona around? Ha ha, that is a good joke. You are aware that only Madrid and some United fans think that? Bloody hell, i was a fanboy of some players, every fan was but you put that term on another level.

    He is in top 10, i am not arguing that but goat?:eek:
  15. Feb 17, 2019

    SCP Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2016
    Messages:
    4,466
    Location:
    Lisbon
    Supports:
    Sporting Clube Portugal
    I don't know anyone reasonable who thinks he is number 1. By the way the Modric comparison was only a joke. :D
  16. Feb 17, 2019

    Andycoleno9 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,664
    Location:
    Croatia
    I know:)
  17. Feb 17, 2019

    SportingCP96 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2014
    Messages:
    2,274
    Supports:
    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Listen and this is quite simple. The past 15 years Ronaldo vs Messi has been the great debate so if Messi is in the "goat" debate the Ronaldo surely is considering he has bested Messi. Its amazing how underrated and under appreciated this man is on here.

    In my opinion Ronaldo and Messi are both 1 and 2 of all time. Pele is overrated.
  18. Feb 17, 2019

    MrEleson Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    326
    If a 25 year old Neymar went for €220M in this market, how much would a 25 year old Ronaldo go for? (not knowing how long he would remain at the top). Just based on ability at the time. Also, considering he's even more marketable than Neymar.
  19. Feb 18, 2019

    Kinsella Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,007
    If Cristiano Ronaldo is football's greatest ever exponent then what does that say about it relative to other sports? You're talking about thee world sport here remember.
  20. Feb 18, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    8,051
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    Average teams? You don’t watch them though, you picked Leonardo Bonucci as the best Serie A player..

    You do not even watch the games yet the hatred makes you comment here, that’s all there is to it. There’s no point in anyone arguing with someone who literally hasn’t even seen the events which he’s arguing about...

    It’s been a decade mate, you need to move on. It’s football, players come and go.
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2019
  21. Feb 18, 2019

    RedRonaldo Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2003
    Messages:
    9,224
    Do you have any idea how many goals Ronaldinho and L.Ronaldo scored at top league in similar age? L.Ronaldino scored 9 goals in 2 years (average 4.5 goals per season) at that age in Milan, Ronaldinho scored 25 goals in 3 years (average 8 goals a season) in Milan at that age too.
  22. Feb 18, 2019

    MrEleson Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    326
    Wasn’t Ronaldinho practically retired at 34? I remember him already back in Brazil playing for Flamengo as early as 31.
    I also read reports at the time that R9 could barely walk up a flight of stairs without experiencing pain and discomfort when he was around 32-33. Comparing them at 34 to current CR; they may aswell have been dead men walking.

    EDIT: wow just checked. Ronaldinho is still only 38 years old.
  23. Feb 18, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    8,051
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    Ronaldinho and R9 are pretty much in the same generation as Cristiano. The first is 4 years older and the second is 8 years older...

    Cristiano is 7 years older than Neymar as a comparison.
  24. Feb 18, 2019

    RedRonaldo Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2003
    Messages:
    9,224
    Yeh basically at that age both Ronaldinho and Ronaldo are unable to play in top league anymore, they are done. I basically compare them at age 30 with Ronaldo at 34.
  25. Feb 18, 2019

    MrEleson Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    326
    When you really analyse it; Ronaldinho’s fall from grace was pretty spectacular. He couldn’t even make Brazil’s 2010 squad when he was barely 30 years old. One of the weakest Brazil squads ever at that... if not the weakest. The star players of the team were a past it Kaka, Luis Fabiano up front and Robinho. Then you had guys like Elano and Felipe Melo in midfield who were decent players but nothing special and then Michel Bastos at LB. Even Dani Alves a defender was playing midfield in some games during the tournament...such was the dearth of quality in the team. How he wasn’t even good enough to make that squad is incredible. Moreover, a 23 year old Ronaldo and 21 year old Messi had already surpassed him while he was still 28.
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2019
  26. Feb 18, 2019

    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    69,151
    Location:
    india
    Some are just more commited than others. Look at Zlatan at 34/35 absolutely bossing it. Ronaldo 9 obviously had injuries.
  27. Feb 18, 2019

    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

    Joined:
    May 10, 2009
    Messages:
    14,133
    They play for average teams. Not sure how anyone can deny 10th placed and 13th placed teams are anything but average or below that.
  28. Feb 18, 2019

    Andycoleno9 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,664
    Location:
    Croatia
    You are really special case. You keep saying i don't watch them. Based on what? Because i don't share your opinion? Opinion of the guy who thinks that Genoa and Sampdoria( presuming that we didn't talk about Milan) are not average teams. Yeah, they are top class teams.
    Your stand in every topic is really annoying. You present your opinion as some fact, some holly truth which people must follow.
  29. Feb 18, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    8,051
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    I did not say they weren’t average teams.

    I was asking him how he could possibly have that opinion since I guarantee you he does not watch the games.

    This guy picked Leonardo Bonucci as Serie A’s best centreback... he can lie whatever he want but he does not even watch the games.

    Believe it or not some footballing opinions can just be wrong. If I say Heskey is better than Messi it’s not an opinion that can’t be criticized, it’s just stupidity.

    Saying Bonucci is Serie A’s best CB fits into that. It’s just so incredibly far away from the truth that it’s obvious you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    I’m not being disrespectful of other opinions for calling that stupid.

    1) Start watching the games

    2) Sort out your abandonment issues, it’s been a decade
  30. Feb 18, 2019

    Cal? CR7 fan

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,251
    :lol: true football wizard Luiz Ronaldo (in 1 of the only 2 seasons at his best) was outscored by mighty Bierhoff

    Seriously, do you even think over your comments before digging a hole for yourself?
  31. Feb 18, 2019

    Shinjch Full Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2012
    Messages:
    583
    Surely Bierhoff is a great player if he was a key player in his team winning the Euros?

    I mean he even played all of the final his team won and managed to score the two goals.
  32. Feb 18, 2019

    Cal? CR7 fan

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,251
    Has anyone ever argued winning an INT trophy makes a great player?
  33. Feb 18, 2019

    Shinjch Full Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2012
    Messages:
    583
    I was saying it with my tongue firmly embedded in my cheek. Apologies if the tone wasn't conveyed properly.
  34. Feb 18, 2019

    Andycoleno9 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,664
    Location:
    Croatia
    Cristiano's fanboys here are like a gang, ffs. Do you all get " Ronaldo is attacked, Ronaldo is attacked" message in inbox?
    It reminds me on AVP movie when queen sends aliens to protect her.
    Ok, i get a message. I will stay away from this thread. You protected him. Good work. HE would be proud.
  35. Feb 18, 2019

    SirAF Ageist

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2003
    Messages:
    28,004
    Who pissed in your cornflakes? :lol:
  36. Feb 18, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    8,051
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    :lol:

    He got praised 3 comments in a row and it led to you and 5 others being wound up... did you get a message in your inbox too? You’re doing the exact same of the people you’re criticizing, just at a bigger scale and instead of being positive and complementary of someone, you do the exact opposite which is a lot worse.

    He left, it’s been a decade... I think you just need to have a good cry about it instead of letting the bitterness grow inside you.

    Acceptance is the last stage of grief.
  37. Feb 20, 2019

    Mark_Barca Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2016
    Messages:
    1,574
    Supports:
    Barcelona
    SIIIII, Viva... am I doing this right? :confused::houllier:
  38. Feb 20, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    8,051
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    Calma..
  39. Feb 20, 2019

    Tommy bigot with fetish for footballers getting fingered

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2014
    Messages:
    9,907
    Location:
    Birmingham
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Juve are playing the complete opposite to his strengths. It's like they've bought a shiny sword & given it to a kickboxer with no arms.
  40. Feb 20, 2019

    RooneyLegend Full Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2013
    Messages:
    8,075
    Explain