Cristiano Ronaldo was the most talented Utd player of all time...

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    Randall Flagg Worst of the best

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    What about Phil?
    ... Yay or Nay.

    Yay
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    Of recent times. Yay.

    Ever? Some say Duncan was the best player ever, but having never seen him - I cannot comment.
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    MikeUpNorth Wobbles like a massive pair of tits

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    Hard to say for me, but my Dad always says George Best was the best by quite a distance.
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    Irwinwastheking Gimpier than Alex and Feeky

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    OOOoohhh, this could turn out like the Vidic thread KM just started.



    And no for my money.
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    Easily in my life time. My old man (born in 58) agrees.
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    Guy Incognito Full Member

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    Of all time? Nay.

    Hard worker and good ethic? Yay.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    My dad always says George Best.
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    IhabX7 Full Member

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    Yes. From what I could see.
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    Devilton Banned

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    Yes.

    Never seen the golden oldies play so commenting on their greatness would be like commenting on a player having only seen his youtube videos.

    Watched Ronaldo play...even in a team full of world class talent he stands apart.
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    Randall Flagg Worst of the best

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    What about Phil?
    I wonder if the older generation who watched George Best back in the day are a tad bias. He was their main man growing up. Plus he wasn’t a fancy foreigner who had a tendency to dive.

    There is no question that defensively the game nowadays is far better than it was back then. They used to play with 2 defenders!
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    puNANI Full Member

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    Yes. Amazing player. Wish we had him for more of his prime.
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    Raoul Administrator

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    Yes.

    80m was daylight robbery.
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    In my time of watching United, I'd say yes. It's very hard though when you've had players like Giggs, Scholes, Cantona etc.

    But Ronaldo was special. Even now in a Real team with other superstars, he's still head & shoulders above all them.

    He's the only player we've ever had who was crowned the best player in the world, that's a special achievement.

    I do wish he was still with us. There's some players who are meant to play for this club, and Ronaldo was one of them.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself

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    In my lifetime- Yes!

    Although I think few old posters would disagree.
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    Talented in terms of having speed, agility, technique, two-footedness etc? Sure.

    In terms of being the best player for us? No.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    I wonder how many people who happily say that Ronaldo's the most talented United player - as they haven't watched Best play - whilst happily spending all day arguing the toss about why Messi shouldn't be called the best player ever, despite never once watching Maradonna in the flesh.

    In his time at United, Ronaldo developed from a wonderfully athletic and exciting winger into a ruthless goal-poacher but never produced the sort of magic I've seen from old footage of Best. Regarding recent United players, I think Giggs is a much more elegant and aesthetically pleasing player to watch. Not as consistent, though, mainly down to all of his injuries. Does an almost super-human resistance to injuries count towards a player's talent? Feck knows but it's a big part of what makes Ronaldo so damn productive.
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    Ole's_toe_poke Ole_Aged_Slow_Poke

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    In my lifetime - YAY.

    Not seen George, Big Dunc or Charlton who old reds would argue to be better.
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    Brophs The one and only

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    Possibly the most effective, probably not the most talented.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Depends what you mean by better. They're not allowed to kick feck out of attackers any more, that's for sure. How much better would Best have been playing on the great pitches with all the protection that modern players get?
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    In my lifetime (25 years old), and in terms of the abilities he had at his disposal, Yes.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    To repeat what a large majority have said during my life time yes he's easily been the best.
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    load of patronising shite but you wouldn't know any different. George didn't have the whole team playing for his benefit like Ronaldo did. Even a player like Rooney was virtually his water carrier. George carried the team and got back, defended and tackled. But more than anything else, George had sparkle,charisma, magic - whatever you want to call it. He did the impossible. Good and effective as Ronaldo undoubtedly was/is, he doesn't have the magic. Sounds like one of your attention grabs.

    George apart, I can think of several other alternatives but they weren't invented by Sky.
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    Devilton Banned

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    Agreed.

    He's a 100m player. The performance + marketing appeal put him in that braket along with Messi.
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    Sunny Jim Full Member

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    seriously....Giggs is head and shoulders above Ronnie for me.
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    Cina Warrior Princess

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    Of course.
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    Randall Flagg Worst of the best

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    What about Phil?
    I was just putting it out there. I have seen as much footage available of Best as I possibly can.

    And I must admit some of the stuff you would not see nowadays. Purely because the space he got in and around the box you simply would not see anymore. Defenders were all over the place and did not look like a unit you would see in well drilled defences these days.

    Also some of the goalkeepers were horrific.
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    Marcosdeto Moderator

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    of the ones i've seen, yes
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    Randall Flagg Worst of the best

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    What about Phil?
    See I think you must be very much a "They dont make em like the used to" kind of fellow.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Yet the pitches were like ploughed fields and the referees frequently ignored outright assault.

    Swings and roundabouts.

    If strikers/wingers had it so much easier in Best's era, why aren't all the goal-scoring records from that time still unbroken?
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself

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    Yes, the defending wasn't that great(I could be wrong, but didn't look great on videos) but the pitch quality wasn't that great that times, the tackling was bad, the medical facilities available to players nowdays is brilliant etc.
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    Well for my lifetime yes, but years gone by I dont know weve had some fecking cracking players over the years.
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    That kind of comparision works both ways. How would Best fare in the modern fast and furious game? How would he cope with his off field habbits in this age?
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    Rood nostradamus like gloater

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    This.

    He is not as talented as Cantona nor Scholes IMO - I cant talk about the likes of best, charlton, edwards etc as I never saw them play.
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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    Best I've seen, easily.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Nobody knows.

    I was just objecting to RF's inference that it as easier for Best to perform than it is/was for Ronaldo.

    There are pros and cons to playing in both eras.
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    There are too many Ronaldo fan boys and those that despise them, which tends to clouds people's assessments. Best to get some opinions of non-United supporters for a degree of balance.
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    I have to agree. Comparisions between players of different eras is not a great idea. Fortunately i've watched football for only ~15 years and Ronaldo is easily the most talented United player.
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    In terms of career, its definitely Ronaldo. Ronaldo has actually improved since he left, Best from what I've seen spent his time bumming around in America, at Fulham and other pointless places
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    No. You don't think. You presume.

    You don't have any idea because you weren't around to see previous generations of players.

    'two defenders" - brilliant mate. So Leeds' back four of Reaney, Charlton, Hunter and Cooper with Madeley on standby, or Liverpool's Lawler, Yeats, Stevenson and Byrne or Chelsea's Alan and Ron Harris, McCreadie and Webb were easy meat? to say nothing of Spurs, City and Everton sides and that's just one narrow era. Then again, you probably haven't heard of half those players let alone seen them play collectively. Carry on and enlighten us though.

    Previous generations would've benefitted and been even better players with facilities, technology and diet that todays players enjoy. But hey, you're probably 18 and know all there is to know.

    that's ignorant even by your standards.
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    George Best is the greatest player who ever lived. So that would be a 'no' then.

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