Crossing

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    Bojan11 Full Member

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    what’s the point of it when Young is the only one half decent at it? Even his crosses are wildly inconsistent.

    Rashford and Shaw down the left were abysmal as you knew just before they crossed it that it wasn’t going to amount to anything.
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    Rozay Not good at posting fixture lists

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    Crossing repeatedly has been United’s main offensive strategy for 20+ years. Of course, we had Beckham who was the best, but in terms of style, I’d guess that at least 60% of our attacks end with a cross from the right back, be that Gary Neville, We Brown or Valencia.
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    fellaini's barber Full Member

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    Its fecking sad, Shaw became the Valencia today with the shin crosses
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    Bojan11 Full Member

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    Yeah we had Giggs, Neville and of course Beckham. It made sense to do it then.

    Who have we got now who can consistently cross the ball? Even Liverpool with their midgets up front are more consistent at crossing the ball.
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    Raw Full Member

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    I honestly don't get it. We don't have the players for it, why was it our main tactic? Why are we so poor at attacking through the middle?
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    klayton88 Full Member

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    I was screaming all game for Shaw and Rashford to go at their RB with an overlap.
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    automaticflare Full Member

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    Brown and Neville evra and Irwin would all put in better ball than any of these feckers

    It's absolutely abject as OP says what's the point of it if we're shit at it
    Whoever is center forward hasn't got a chance to even challenge for half of the crosses
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    Bubz27 ACMarket employee

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    We don't work good enough positions to cross the ball. Even Young's today's, passed to him and he was left to do it himself. Where's the overlapping? Where's the run on the inside? One-twos?

    We don't work the wide areas well at all, and therefore our crossing is absymal. Good attacking teams have excellent wide areas. That's how you stretch teams, width and overloads.

    Our flanks for a number of years have been terrible. Some of it is down to personnel, some of it down to tactics.
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    Moyesy would be proud
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    OnlyTwoDaSilvas Gullible

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    I think our crossing for the most part is quite decent. We are fecking lousy at attacking them though.

    Lukaku never looks to get a run on his marker, and we never attack the front post, nor do we ever have anyone tucking in at the far post. If we are going to cross so often, then we need players in the right positions to make them threatening.
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    Skills Snitch

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    It's actually mostly to do with tactics.
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    automaticflare Full Member

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    This makes no sense for starters we had about 15 corners ffs unchallenged free attempt to put the ball in the box
    We also had about 20 crosses all shit
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    Well we've got to get the ball into the box one way or another and at the moment it's not happening via the middle.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    Martial is fairly consistent but I prefer to have left footed crosser on left wing and right footed on right rather than right footed on left etc.
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    Ace of Spades Full Member

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    This, when the crosses did reach the box, only Lukaku was there and was well marked by two or three players.

    The fact that we still look very much like we were being coached by Moyes with the endless crosses is another issue altogether.
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    Gopher Brown Full Member

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    Crossing always seems like an incredibly wasteful way to attack, even when we had Beckham I expect only 10% of his crosses ended with a clear goalscoring chance, but with poor crossers it's dreadful. The players probably think "Well, at least I'm trying something" whereas quick passing and movement in the centre is usually more effective, but requires more effort.
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    A sign of the amateur nature of our attacking, when we're resorting to hopeless crosses against a defense like Burnley. No one who could beat players, no one who could pass in between the lines and unlock the defense. No, just cross after cross.
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    We need some proper wingers at the club. Pacy wingers who can beat their man and put in inch perfect crosses. Enough of this inside forward bullshit.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    Yeah, we have a lot of tall players but only Lukaku seems to be decent in the air at the moment.

    What annoyed me was the free kick. We had Zlatan, Pogba etc in our wall and only Matic (who was on the end) jumped
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    ClosetDevil Full Member

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    Think we needed Perisic badly.
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    Ace of Spades Full Member

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    That is what the FBs should be doing, and Young was doing that, Shaw was fairly poor and that is one area where he was always weak.

    The problem was we were too one dimensional, and Burnley just packed the box with their players. We should have tried to get in behind their FBs, tried to vary our approach, instead of just putting endless crosses which Burnley were handling fairly easily.
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    Son Of Sam Banned

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    Lukaku isn’t decent.....
    He doesn’t even take good positions when the crosses are coming in. He’s not a good player. The only benefit we are getting from him is his durability. He will play every game this season which is a plus. Other than that, he’s not good enough.
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    We don't need proper wingers at all. We need to stop crossing 90% of our attacks. We have no one in the box half the time apart from Lukaku who looks useless half the time.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    True. Didn't have much of a plan B and only really upped the tempo in the second half.
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    Bubz27 ACMarket employee

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    I think it's a bit of both. Players aren't aware/good enough to pull off the passes on the rare occasions we do make those moves or runs. One-twos get blocked so often. Mata is actually quite good at timing those passes and he's decent at sliding Valencia in on occasion. Its just not consistent enough. I agree that tactics is definitely the larger factor, thinking about it.
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    This comes up every time we let in a free kick but plenty of coaches instruct players not to jump.
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    Bubz27 ACMarket employee

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    I don't understand what you're trying to say. The players can't put in good deliveries, and that's proved because our corners are also shite? Well, I did say part of it is down to the players in my original post.

    Doesn't mean tactics have nothing or very little to do with it.
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    The problem is not only crossing, but options and movement in the box as well. For example we did not have a player attacking near post even once when we had the ball on the left.
    All in all, crossing is the most simple but also least reliable attacking tool. No top team uses it as a main weapon.
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    Even if you're only crossing you can still have variety, deep crossing, near post, low drilled crosses, cut backs to the edge of the box etc etc, the problem is we don't seem to try anything but whipped crosses to the middle of the box or inswingers to the far post, which are a lot less effective since Fellaini got injured. You don't see our players anticpating different sorts of crosses and moving accordingly, we just stack up and hope for the best.
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    Ace of Spades Full Member

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    Our attacking play really leaves a lot to be desired, we need to see more. I can see why Jose is desperate for Fellaini to stay, if this is our approach to attack, then he will be a very useful player to have. Not the type of football I enjoy though, nor hope to see being too reliant on it.
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    TheRedDevil'sAdvocate Full Member

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    At least we tried to use all the width of the football pitch in the attacking third instead of trying to win the battle in the central channels where we were second best to almost every 50/50 ball during the 90 minutes.

    We should become better in those areas, we should start creating overloads out wide and we should start working on patterns that will allow our best crossers (not necessarily the FBs) enough time on the ball and space to spot the best option in the box.

    We didn't get much today from it but against a compact and narrow defence, like Burnley's, working the available spaces out wide allowed us to keep the pressure on them. Hopefully, we'll start working on attacking plays from those areas.
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    Ace of Spades Full Member

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    This, I think the problem is less about accuracy of crosses, and more about the fact that it is pur default tactic to attack. Trying to score from crosses is always going to be very frustrating.
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    Dominos Full Member

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    100% correct.

    One of the most effective ways to create chances is creating a 2 vs 1 out wide for a simple overlap, we very very rarely do it.
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    This has been an issue for quite some time now. What are they doing in practice? how can we have 12 corners today and half of them don't make it past the first defender?

    Crossing has been an issue for a while but United also needs proper wingers. Mata and Rashford are not wingers.

    Side not, defending crosses has been very poor lately. Jose needs to put a body on the post which could have helped a few of the recent goals. They should get Matic/Pogba more involved defending crosses over Lukaku.
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    Look at Morata's goal today. That cross was perfect.
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    cyril C Full Member

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    It is down t personnel. For all the wingers that we have recruited in the past 10 years, almost all are converted strikers. Valencia and Young (and Obertan?) were the last supplier/crosser that we had, the rest tend to cut inside.
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    a_devil_inside Big footed hermaphrodite

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    Even after the crosses we are either too slow or don't think one step ahead to react to any loose balls or rebounds
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    Cameron Bojack has a feckin mean cross on him
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    Crossing is just a percentage game. Or a lottery. Our dependence on it just highlights our lack of attacking coaching and reflects badly on our creativity. It’s just brainless. It’s hoofball the way we do it and it’s disgusting.