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Sad to see a great player underestimate his own ability so much. Guess time catches up to us all
Why doesn't Fellaini do this?
Fellaini scores that's why.
Ventura's a brainless git.
Not sure if he is underestimating his ability as such, he is a quality player but he isn't a goalscorer, whereas Insigne is.
If anything, he is overestimating his ability by thinking he can tell the manager what to do!
A rare thing to see, but he just said what the whole Italy was thinking at the moment.
Because Insigne doesn't play for us, d'oh.
Technically, he's right, Italy needed a win...
What would have De Rossi added? He was right to do that.
Has a point, not really a match winning sub is he, would have started him, over Parolo
Nah it’s because he’s a holding midfielder and they needed a goal.
Shit attitude. Manager wants you to play you get off your ass and try to help your team win.
He did have a point in fairness.
Thank God Italy didn´t qualify. Usually when they are a fecking mess off the pitch and involved in some shady scandals they end up winning the World Cup. I was already having nightmares of Balotelli scoring another game-winner against Germany and Ancelotti showing Boateng and Hummels the finger.
Marcotti is saying Ventura didn´t know opposing players in the past. That it is likely Bonucci, Buffon and DeRossi picked the team today, because they thought the manager is an idiot.
Has to be mentioned that Insigne at 26 has scored only 3 goals in 21 games for Italy.
He’s also in the best form of his career. Should mention that too. He’s not a goal scorer. He would have given them a creative spark.
The coach side of me doesn’t like to see that... then again, the coach side of me would be thinking what Di Rossi said anyway, so it wouldn’t have happened.
Regardless of how shit hte manager is a World Cup berth is at stake, you get up off your ass and play your heart out.
In a way I love it as he has a point
However football isn't just about putting on as many attackers as possible - if De Rossi is on the pitch that means someone else can get forward more and possibly score. But really, it does seem a stupid substitution.
I heard he pretty poor for Italy as well. Any Italian supporter can confirm this?
When your team is on the verge of being knocked out of the WC, it is natural to try to do something in desperation. Even if it means contradicting the manager when the decision was so obviously wrong.
De Rossi shouldn't be blamed for this.
It's taken time for him to develop into the footballer he is now. Just cause he was poor in the past, it doesn't make sense to leave him out with the level of football that he's producing.
I didn't watch the 2nd leg, But I watched the 1st leg and Italy was awful. I blame the manager instead of the players. The managers used wrong formation and tactic. They used 352 with wingback who can't cross the ball but the main problem is the only thing they did was cross the ball, they hardly play the ball through the middle. I believe they had a lot of corners mainly because majority their crossings were blocked and unsuccessful. They even had better attackers on the bench than the ones in XI.
The manager got no clue at all and De Rossi knows who's the culprit. I dislike player who refuse to play but in De Rossi's case is different, De Rossi is trying to send a message to his manager that he's clueless and I agree with De Rossi completely.
I agree. The manager is the main culprit, forcing a system without the proper players is just madness to me (kinda like Mourinho with his 352). It's weird to watch old men being so stubborn in their ideas and principle.
It's unbelievable how the manager doesn't realise it and still stick with Darmian & Candreva to cross the ball. And they got Insigne and El Shaarawy on the bench. If I am an Italian, I would have react the same way as De Rossi did.
Also knowing that Sweden won't be able to attack much anyway, why not take off a CB and add another attacker, what was there to lose anyway ? Props to Sweden, they kept it simple. Football is hard as it is, no need to try complicated shit with the wrong players.
Don't know how anyone can be in the managers corner for this. Never, ever seen Sir Alex throw in a holding/defensive mid when we were chasing a goal and he's the best game manager I've ever seen. Coaches like this Ventura fella piss me off, the coach as if they are trying to prove a point rather than doing what's best for the team.
De Rossi is a winner and an Italian legend - if he's saying that it's because he knows what is needed to win and he desperately wants to be at the World Cup and put the teams interest first. Ventura is a grade A moron.
SAF would throw a kitchen sink , i remember he put all our striker in replacing defender to chase for a goal , who cares about defending anymore in that situation
He did it more than any coach when chasing a result. Most of these classic comebacks that we were famous for often have us finishing matches with more strikers on the pitch than what should be permeable.
De Rossi is a winner.
He knew his team needed to score at least one goal and was aware that Insigne would be more likely to contribute to that goal than himself.
What are people taking issue with? That every professional footballer on the planet is supposed to think "I am the best player in the world"?
There is a big difference between 1. having self-belief and 2. thinking that you would be the better option for your desperate team than someone else who is far more suited to being able to handle the current situation.
What De Rossi did is suprising: surprisingly refreshing, pragmatic and evidence that he puts his team above himself.
100% agree. Don't question the attitude of De Rossi, its clear all the noise about the manager losing the confidence of the players is true.
He's right. Apparently the manager has some kind of bias against Insigne, I read?
All but confirmed that it's true
He is a DM, insigne is a forward. Considering Italy needed goals then a Martial has more of a chance of scoring then a Carrick
Apparently he was a former Torino manager hence his preference for Imobille and Belotti, who he worked with before ahead of Insigne.
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