De Rossi: ''Dont bring me on, bring on Insigne''

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  1. Nov 14, 2017 at 17:24
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    redmeister Full Member

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    I've seen Redknapp bring on Scott Parker when Spurs needed a goal. The fans went mental, but they didn't understand the tactical move. Parker was effectively used as a last man, to allow everyone else to push forward. But the fans couldn't see past the fact he was a DM and therefore took it as show of tactical ineptitude on behalf of the coach, rather than themselves. Bringing on a DM in those circumstances is actually a very attacking move. I didn't see the game or know the role Rossi played when he came on, but it wouldn't surprise me if the idea was to bring on a DM to cover for counter attacks and let the rest push forward.
  2. Nov 14, 2017 at 17:24
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    Akin to comparing chicken manure to steer manure... they're both shite.
  3. Nov 14, 2017 at 17:25
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    He's definitely in the right to question what the hell the staff are thinking when the team looked so devoided of creating chances. It's not like he refused to go warm up, or am I missing something here..?
  4. Nov 14, 2017 at 17:36
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    Ventura is not able to play for win, in 30 yrs managed only in the relegation battle.
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  5. Nov 14, 2017 at 17:58
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    Because you lack context.

    Ventura did not play Insigne (best Italian player atm) because of some personal agenda, this was potentially De Rossi's last game with his national team, he's a world champion and has been with the national squad for 14 years (117 caps).

    Yet, he "gifts away" the chance of getting some last minutes with Italy (who knows, maybe becoming a national hero scoring the goal himself) to try and make Ventura reconsider his petty decission. This isn't something you see every day, you can't judge it with the same perspective as the usual stupid footballer behaviour.
  6. Nov 14, 2017 at 18:14
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    He didn't come on.
  7. Nov 14, 2017 at 18:15
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    He retired after the game.

    So it was his last.
  8. Nov 14, 2017 at 18:16
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    Ramshock The spacegoats did it

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    Why the feck wasnt Insigne starting in the first place? He is class
  9. Nov 14, 2017 at 18:24
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    André Dominguez Full Member

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    Who did Parker replaced?

    That's the question here. Unless he was thinking in taking off a defender, which didn't happen, what would De Rossi add to the game if he just replaces a player of the same position? Why keep using 3 center backs when the opponent clearly doesn't want to take risks?
  10. Nov 14, 2017 at 19:26
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    No, i meant where the feck did you get the shady scandals and off the pitch mess right now

    And we certainly weren't a mess off the pitch in '82 and 2006. In fact, the scandal(2006) and total lack of trust and belief from the media and public opinion('82 and 2006) were big reasons for our teams turning into a monolith and summoning the mental strength to win those tournaments
  12. Nov 14, 2017 at 22:03
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    JustFootballFan Thinks Balotelli & Pogba look the same

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    Exactly. The problems united the team. The open player rebellion is another "scandal". Ventura would not have survived this, even with a successful last second miracle qualification. So other nations would have had to worry about the players rallying behind the new coach, and likely Ancelotti applying his great tactical mind behind a united and focused Italy. That´s what I meant by this. Italy usually performs the best, when there is some sort of turmoil in the lead-up.
  13. Nov 14, 2017 at 22:08
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    He threw O'Shea on plenty of times when chasing a match, even as a makeshift forward due to his height and heading ability. He scored a late winner at Anfield when subbed on for an injured Rooney.
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    Ah allright then, yeah i agree
  15. Nov 16, 2017 at 16:50
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    Imagine this;
    We 1-0 down in the CL final, utterly dominating the opposition but unable to get a breakthrough goal and we had Lukaku or Ibra on the bench. The manager turns to Phil Jones and tells him to go on with explicit instructions to take corners. In a moment of clarity Jones turns to him and points at Lukaku and suggests he should go on instead...

    i don't think we'd mind.
  16. Nov 16, 2017 at 19:04
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    What an idiot!

    Whether he thinks he should be brought on or not, he was given instructions by his coach. As a player, he needs to shut his mouth and get on with it.

    Also, bringing on an attacking player doesn't always mean goals. It can sometimes disturb team cohesion.
  17. Nov 16, 2017 at 19:07
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    To be fair, it is hard to think what De Rossi could do, the way Italians were playing till then.
  18. Nov 16, 2017 at 19:37
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    You're possibly right, but he's not the manager. He has no right saying that.

    He's sounds like a bit of a knob anyway.

    Remember saying this quote about us:

    "It was a good thing that I didn't go to Manchester United, or I would have committed suicide by now!"

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/de-rossi-man-united-suicide-2983193
  19. Nov 16, 2017 at 19:50
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    Does he though? Its just clarifying he loves Rome and Roma so much that going anywhere else would be alien to him.

    Secondly, I don't get this 'he has no right to question the manager' stuff. If the manager is making terrible choices, I would expect players to question what the feck he's doing. Not just sit there saying 'Yes sir'.
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  20. Nov 16, 2017 at 19:51

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    What are you going on about?

    If Carrick did this whilst we needed a goal with Martial still on the bench then I’d be praising him.

    Italy needed a goal. The manager after 60th minutes should have binned one of the cbs as Sweden had one guy forward vs 3 defenders. Even one of the Italian defenders would have handled him.
  21. Nov 16, 2017 at 19:52

    Bojan11 Full Member

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    Have you even read the article?
  22. Nov 16, 2017 at 19:56

    coolredwine lameredboots

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    The other 9 players weren't able to score a goal. I don't understand how putting in a DM (and the last man behind) would enable the same set of players to break the deadlock. Rather throw in a striker to give the opposition something more to think about and ask one of the CM/CBs to stay behind.
  23. Nov 16, 2017 at 20:09

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    I think what he did showed he had a footballing brain and that he didn't agree with the decision. Italy needed more attacking players not holding players, the management team had lost the plot at that point.

    I would have also thought Bonnucci should have been playing as a striker for the last fifteen minutes of the match. The ball needed pumping in the box for knockdowns, I had no idea why they were trying to play into their small striker's feet.
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    I wish more players would speak their mind to a blatantly failing manager tbh. Like when Moyes was in charge. You speak your mind early and tell him hes making a mistake, and he thinks about his decision no matter what. Obviously creates friction, but feck it, things are a mess anyway.
  25. Nov 16, 2017 at 20:33

    Walters_19_MuFc Full Member

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    Yes.
  26. Nov 16, 2017 at 20:34

    Bojan11 Full Member

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    I don’t think you read it clearly as you taken it way out of context.
  27. Nov 16, 2017 at 20:35

    Walters_19_MuFc Full Member

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    Didn't have to talk about committing suicide.

    If anyone in any other profession was to do that, especially in the manner in which he did, they'd be disciplined. Shouldn't be any different.
  28. Nov 16, 2017 at 20:37

    Walters_19_MuFc Full Member

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    Why ask me, then go against what I said?

    Fact is, he didn't have mention that, in my opinion.
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    Read the bucket of trash you spewed before posting it. Disgraceful.
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    JustAFan The Adebayo Akinfenwa of football photoshoppers

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    No he is s player for the national team he may disagree with the decision but it is his job to get up off his ass and play if called upon. Don't care if he is a Jozy Altidore or some kind of legend.

    I can judge it any way I like because I am not blinded by my feelings for the player nor by having some belief that Italy had some right to be at the Workd Cup.

    You pull the uniform on that day, you get your ass up and play if called upon.
  31. Nov 16, 2017 at 23:05

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    Italy works socially in a different manner, call it collective intelligence or common sense, many times that helping the whole unit achieve more than the bare sum of the parts.
  32. Nov 17, 2017 at 00:44

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    :rolleyes:
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    JustAFan The Adebayo Akinfenwa of football photoshoppers

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    Oh the bizarre lengths people are going to because poor Italy was not good enough to qualify.

    Feck em, they sucked and the results show it. Then their legendary player decides that is the right time to stage a revolt, yeah brilliant.
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    You know, it is not your business anyway... just do not pretend your answers work for environments you clearly have little clue about... De Rossi is 35yo WC winner in 2006 who played 117 games for the nt and a respected figure in the Italian game, he made his point and had the full right to, having earned that on the pitch.
  35. Nov 18, 2017 at 12:48

    Lay Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Think you’re being overly sensitive. People make comments like that all the time.