I dont underrate keane at all. I just dont think you fully appreciate the role of the stopper. A good stopper can dictate the pace of a game and control ala a playmaker. Keane was a playmaker but not in the mould of Pirlo or Modric. Keane's strength was his ability to push players forward and control a game. He was a very good ball player and when younger he could arrive late in the box for goals but the reason he lasted as long as he did as a box to box midfielder was his ability to lead. I havent seen the midfield general type player in a while maybe Keane and Vieira were the last world class ones but I think Rice has show these qualities at a very young age which is unusual.