Declan Rice | Switches international allegiance to England

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    Stick Full Member

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    I dont underrate keane at all. I just dont think you fully appreciate the role of the stopper. A good stopper can dictate the pace of a game and control ala a playmaker. Keane was a playmaker but not in the mould of Pirlo or Modric. Keane's strength was his ability to push players forward and control a game. He was a very good ball player and when younger he could arrive late in the box for goals but the reason he lasted as long as he did as a box to box midfielder was his ability to lead. I havent seen the midfield general type player in a while maybe Keane and Vieira were the last world class ones but I think Rice has show these qualities at a very young age which is unusual.
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    Zebs Clare Bald'ings Daughter

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    They've followed slightly different paths so far. Lukas played for England from U16s right up to U21s and has just made the switch to Germany. Felix started with England at U16s, switched to Germany for U18s, and has now switched back to England for U18s. As Felix is younger, he came to England at a younger age so maybe will have more affinity with England than Lukas?

    Agree with your overall assessment though. Realistically I don't think Lukas is going to be an international level striker so potentially not a huge loss. Felix looks like he may be more talented so may have more of a chance. Who knows though. Maybe they'll both play for Nigeria if they can't make the breakthrough for England or Germany?!

    I suppose it shows that players with multiple eligibility for international football have quite a lot of power to decide in these situations, and I don't think any country can feel aggrieved to "lose" a player in these circumstances. Players should choose what's best for them. 99% of these players' development is based on their talent and their coaching at club academies, it really has nothing to do with the limited contribution of national team training a few times a year.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    Lukas can’t make another switch, you get one switch if you’ve appeared in competitive games for another nation at youth level.

    What’s strange is that Lukas was with England for so long but Felix seemed like he was veering towards Germany recently but then he was called up in to both squads and chose England. Perhaps Germany are using Lukas to bring Felix back, all speculation but it seems odd that they’d go after Lukas when he was pretty far from getting in the England squad. Che Adams and Jarrod Bowen can’t even get in the 21s currently and they’re out performing Lukas by a long way in The Championship this season. Apparently Felix is torn between which side to play for, he didn’t get much game time in the 19s disastrous break this time so that won’t help our cause I don’t think. Germany like to hedge their bets, there’s a really talented English/German called Jamal Musiala in the u16s that plays for England but every break Germany call him up on their official squad lists even though he chooses England. His family surely tell them that before hand. Just letting him know that they’re there him if he changes his mind.

    I think international training can help development though, especially when the sides are competing in major international competition. Ireland are doing well on that count recently and are qualifying for quite a few.
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    andyox New Member

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    Interesting, didn't know that about the switching rule at youth levels. I can't see Lukas ever playing for Germany to be honest, but hope he proves me wrong. I think he's a decent player and will have a decent career, just not at the top, top level.

    On the last point, perhaps there's a bigger difference between playing for a country that qualifies for youth tournaments vs one that doesn't, but for the Nmechas I doubt their careers will be influenced too much by whether they play for England or Germany at youth level really? Lukas has got some medals for England I suppose.

    I think most of the national associations are trying to cynically exploit the system in the chase for young players. So I don't really have any sympathy if players with multiple eligibility exploit the system as well. You win some, you lose some.
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    dbs235 Full Member

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    Think Allerdyce would have been sacked after going out of the World Cup and Southgate would have just been hired this season.
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    Stick Full Member

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    I wouldnt have said so. Southgate was fortunate that Allardyce was sacked at an odd time and he was the only realistic option for the FA. After a world cup you could have had numerous options. Wenger was one. Would you say the FA would take Southgate over Wenger?
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    The FA won’t hire another foreign coach for a long time after Capello.
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    Stick Full Member

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    He still wouldnt have been the favourite English manager for the role.
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    Zebs Clare Bald'ings Daughter

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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

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    Not sure if he's a human vacuum cleaner or our attack is just braindead.
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    Rozay Master of Hindsight

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    He’s quality. People in the TF been calling him an underwhelming target, but he’s been as good as you could want any young DM to be this season.
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    Murder on Zidane's Floor You'd better not kill Giroud

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    Managed to damage the biggest injury threat to our players, Phil Jones so I vote we sign him up.
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    Spielmacher Full Member

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    Would their injury threat neutralize or multiply in training? I was never good in maths.
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    Murder on Zidane's Floor You'd better not kill Giroud

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    Kevin Bridges would multiply it.
  17. May 15, 2019 at 07:53

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    SER19 Full Member

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    Impressive figures. I'd like him here but not for a crazy fee
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    Adnan Full Member

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    I'd say he'll cost between £40m to £50m
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    Bwuk Full Member

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    He’d be worth every penny of that.
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    AKDevil Full Member

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    Apart from the top stat though, what do the rest mean? There might be 50 players with better numbers than him. 160 of those passes into the final third might not have been completed.
  22. May 15, 2019 at 09:21

    BlueHaze Full Member

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    Get him in to replace Herrera.
  23. May 15, 2019 at 09:35

    FootyGirl88

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    So you can get a better gist - He's a good young player that will clearly improve.

  24. May 15, 2019 at 09:37

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    It means we go for Ndidi who is only 22.
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    Either would be great tbh
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    I'm a bit wary that hype has gone overboard on this lad. It would be very much typical of us to pay a significant fee just for him to show it was a one off season.
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    I hate midfield destroyer types and don’t think any top side should have to play with one.

    But it certainly seems to be paying dividends in the Champion’s League these days.

    So I’ve warmed to this signing a bit after being adamantly against it at first. But only if the fee is no more than £40-50m.
  28. May 15, 2019 at 09:53

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    Him or Ndidi would be a great buy for £50m. Think personally I’d prefer Ndidi but I can totally understand why the club may want Rice instead - he’s slightly more progressive on the ball and of course he’s British and I think the club may want to get back to having a British core.
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    Felt the same, especially after Schneiderlin flopshow.

    But it does seem a requirement now. Especially for us, as we aren't even a top side anyway at the moment.
  30. May 15, 2019 at 10:28

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    I’d take him in a heartbeat

    Stop others strolling through the middle
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    Mr PG New Member

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    Please lets get Ruben Neves. Rice will be a Mourinho like signing but we need all around better more intelligent players. Neves will add creativity all from base of midfield so we're not over-reliant on Pogba.
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    How about Kante then?
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    I’d prefer Ndidi and I’d imagine he’d be cheaper than Rice.
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    Thank you. That’s much better. I find contextless stats posts after games so pointless.
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    Aloysius's Back 3 Full Member

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    Still have this feeling that Rice is coming to play as a CB.
  36. May 15, 2019 at 21:35

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    Kante is much more than just a destroyer.