Declan Rice

Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by roonster09, Mar 29, 2019.

  1. Apr 14, 2019

    wythyred Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2014
    Messages:
    960
    Location:
    Manchester
    I was at the game yesterday and the fast majority of the people I sit with agreed he was the best player on the pitch.

    He is a must buy for me as if we don’t someone else will and we will be kicking ourselves in a year or twos time.
  2. Apr 14, 2019

    norm87cro New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    275
    Location:
    Split, HR
    I have to say he was very imposing in the midfield. Would be a good addition
  3. Apr 14, 2019

    lysglimt Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    7,774
    What Rice does well - and imo better than any other young players in the P.L, is that he combines composure on the ball with an aggression when the opponent has the ball. And my opinion didn't him didn't exactly go down when he several times went over to Jones to check on him, after elbowing him in the head. At one stage, Antonio looked like he told him to focus on the game and not the oppnent.

    I want Rice, Sancho and Wan-Bissake - but I want Rice the most.
  4. Apr 14, 2019

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    20,576
    Don't folks! Just don't! You're going to really piss off the 'experts' on here who said he's a poor man's this and that, he's limited, not technically good!

    Seriously, I know loads of West Ham fans and they are not delusional in the slightest. They have have constantly reiterated that this kid is the real deal, they want to have the team built around his ability. Pelligrini has said he's available at the right price. If we don't even try, other clubs will be in sooner rather than later.
  5. Apr 14, 2019

    Hawks2008 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,951
    Location:
    Melbz
    We need a more creative midfielder, I don't see him being a benefit to us in games where we're going to have the majority of the ball.
  6. Apr 14, 2019

    Dante Bang Average but can post Blindfolded for 15 secs

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2010
    Messages:
    15,000
    Location:
    My wit's end
    Having a baller DM would allow us to play two creative midfielders ahead of him.

    Currently, our first choice midfield is probably Matic, Herrera and Pogba. If swapped Rice for Matic, we could field somebody a bit better than Herrera. He'd be our Makalele.
  7. Apr 14, 2019

    MassiveMorgan Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2017
    Messages:
    135
    United very rarely have the majority of possession under OGS.
  8. Apr 14, 2019

    joedirt87 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2010
    Messages:
    3,541
    First time really watching him, played well. Lots of players raise their game against United so it’s hard to judge just off that performance.
  9. Apr 14, 2019

    Carl has permanently erect nipples

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2008
    Messages:
    40,557
    Whilst I like Rice I'd hasten to add we should draw no conclusions following a game against us. We must be piss easy to defend against.
  10. Apr 14, 2019

    Rozay Master of Hindsight

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2012
    Messages:
    13,513
    Location:
    #SmallingPlusOne
    Yet we are 22 points better than West Ham, so it does say much when one of their players is better than ours.
  11. Apr 14, 2019

    DJ Jeff Not so Jazzy

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    3,224
    Location:
    Soaring like a candy wrapper caught in an updraft
    The guy is 20. He's not ready to be a Matic much less a Makelele, he shouldn't be our answer to the DM problem. Would be a good signing but we need instant impact this summer and shouldn't focus on the likes of Sancho and Rice elevating us to title challenging level
  12. Apr 14, 2019

    lysglimt Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    7,774
    No - we need to think ahead. We can't afford to let the biggest talents go to other clubs because they aren't world-stars now. Having said that - I don't agree with you, I do think he is ready to be a Matic.
  13. Apr 14, 2019

    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,685
    Whether we should sign him or not I have no idea but I've at least decided that the comparisons with the awful Eric Dier were unfair.
  14. Apr 14, 2019

    Ekeke Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2006
    Messages:
    42,666
    Location:
    Hope, We Lose
    I agree that he is quite composed with the ball, whilst fairly aggressive winning the ball
  15. Apr 14, 2019

    Dante Bang Average but can post Blindfolded for 15 secs

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2010
    Messages:
    15,000
    Location:
    My wit's end
    He's played well against City Chelsea and now United If you're good enough, you're good enough.

    Arguably the best DM in the league the last few months.
  16. Apr 14, 2019

    Ekeke Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2006
    Messages:
    42,666
    Location:
    Hope, We Lose
    I mean, West Ham had the majority of the ball by 10%, didnt they create chances?
  17. Apr 14, 2019

    Dante Bang Average but can post Blindfolded for 15 secs

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2010
    Messages:
    15,000
    Location:
    My wit's end
    Would love those 3. Throw in another creative midfielder (Nodembele or Neves or whoever) and I think we're challenging.

    Would cost a shit ton though.
  18. Apr 14, 2019

    Kaglish10 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2019
    Messages:
    624
    So has MCTominay against Liverpool, Barca, PSG. If MCTominay was a regular for a small club like Declan is, I bet you would be salivating over him as well. I don't know why we love to rave over other talents who are playing for other clubs while we have a similar one at our doorstep. A prophet really has no honour in his hometown.
  19. Apr 14, 2019

    Ekeke Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2006
    Messages:
    42,666
    Location:
    Hope, We Lose
    Probably because the club wants to play him in a more offensive role. When you've convinced Ole to use him in the same role as Rice, then what you're saying makes some sense. Right now it doesnt.

    Rice's competition would be Fred, who has also shown signs of life recently but they are slightly different types of players with Fred being more offensive and Rice helping the defense more.
  20. Apr 14, 2019

    Dante Bang Average but can post Blindfolded for 15 secs

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2010
    Messages:
    15,000
    Location:
    My wit's end
    They're very different players.

    Rice shields the back 4, whereas McTominay is more box-to-box.

    The United player under threat from this potential purchase is Matic.
  21. Apr 14, 2019

    Kaglish10 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2019
    Messages:
    624
    Mctominay played the holding midfield role against Liverpool and Crystal palace and did well in both of them. Mctominay can play both roles quite well.

    Besides, Declan has been deployed mostly alongside defensively solid Noble in a 2-man midfield so far for Westham. The last time he played as a lone holding midfielder for England, he wasn't that great.

    I would rather continue with Mctominay than splash huge cash on Rice.
  22. Apr 14, 2019

    KingMinger22 City >>> United. Moaning twat

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2005
    Messages:
    7,245
    Location:
    Chicago
    This.

    Agreed.

    We are starting from almost nothing with this squad. We should buy young and think long term because there is absolutely no way we will get the players needed to close the gap in City this summer.

    Unless we have a billion quid to spend.
  23. Apr 14, 2019

    dbs235 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2012
    Messages:
    815
    Sancho would definitely make an instant impact.
  24. Apr 14, 2019

    DJ Jeff Not so Jazzy

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    3,224
    Location:
    Soaring like a candy wrapper caught in an updraft
    He probably would tbf. He's much better than anything we have on the right. Just a bit wary of this Sancho/Wan Bissaka/Rice talk as the perfect trio to add when they're all young and have never played at the biggest clubs. I mean our most established player after DDG and Matic (who everyone agrees is more or less finished and shite anyway) is.. Smalling? Who I'd say after 8 years the jury is still out on as a starter. We really lack experience in the squad, and I fear with an inexperienced manager that's the worst cocktail.
  25. Apr 14, 2019

    lysglimt Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    7,774
    They probably wont win us the League in 2020, but they might help us fight for the title the next 10 years. Add to that - Rashford, Shaw, Garner and Greenwood - we could have a big part of our future Manchester United.
  26. Apr 14, 2019

    KingMinger22 City >>> United. Moaning twat

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2005
    Messages:
    7,245
    Location:
    Chicago
    Those three would be a fantastic place to start.

    Realistically, thatst easy £250m already just for those three.

    There is no way that West Ham will let Rice for less than £60-70m. It's 2019.
  27. Apr 14, 2019

    Woodenlung Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2013
    Messages:
    1,776
    I agree with you on the price tag of potential signings. I've read some posts in the last few days that wildly underestimate how much it would cost to buy even one of Sancho, AWB or Rice.
  28. Apr 14, 2019

    KingMinger22 City >>> United. Moaning twat

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2005
    Messages:
    7,245
    Location:
    Chicago
    Me too.

    I think it's comical to think it 2019, a financially healthy PL club like West Ham would sell a 20 year old talented England midfielder for "£40m".

    Even at £70m, I don't think they would WANT to. What are they really gonna do with that money?
  29. Apr 14, 2019

    Patrick08 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2018
    Messages:
    3,950
    Our midfield makes average players look good, not surprising that he bossed pogba and fred, but he is not the one who should be paired with pogba in the middle. He Is not a complete player we require on and off the ball. His passing range is very limited and certainly not the best of options for a huge price.

    Mctominay can do the job rice can do, we don't have to pay such a fee for a kid who is not ready for United.
  30. Apr 14, 2019

    Woodenlung Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2013
    Messages:
    1,776
    You're looking at 100m minimum for Sancho too. Dortmund won't sell for less than they did with Dembele.
  31. Apr 14, 2019

    Smallings biggest fan New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2019
    Messages:
    27
    United should definately buy him this summer. United needs desperately some strenghtening in the midfield, especially in the defensive part.
  32. Apr 14, 2019

    dutchred Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    630
    Nearly everyone on the red cafe keeps saying how bad our midfield is so poor, so judging a player who has a good game against our midfield is meaningless. Having watched the game I can't see that he offers more than McT. We need more attacking options in midfield not more holding or box to box
  33. Apr 14, 2019

    Name Changed weso26

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    Messages:
    26,207
    Location:
    Dublin
    I'd buy him in a heartbeat. He would improve us immensely.
  34. Apr 14, 2019

    Lash Full Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    3,108
    Location:
    London
    Supports:
    Millwall, Saint-Etienne
    The whole game was a pile of shite from both teams, in terms of possession. He doesn’t offer enough for us to be spending over 50m on, which is 100% what they’d want for him.
  35. Apr 14, 2019

    Andrew~ Squiggle

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2008
    Messages:
    5,039
    There must be something I'm missing with this kid, because I just don't see all the quality he's supposed to bring. He's very mobile and is decent on the ball for an English player, but that's just describing a young version of Eric Dier (a player who I like but don't exactly see being a world beater).
  36. Apr 14, 2019

    DSG Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2014
    Messages:
    229
    Location:
    A Whale’s Vagina
    All of them....
  37. Apr 14, 2019

    DSG Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2014
    Messages:
    229
    Location:
    A Whale’s Vagina
    I agree that he would be a good ball playing CB. Maybe you bring him in to move him to CB. I just don’t think he works in this era as a DM.
  38. Apr 14, 2019

    The Brown Bull Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2014
    Messages:
    1,642
    Location:
    Dublin.
    A must buy for us this summer in my view.One of the big clubs will certainly buy him.
  39. Apr 14, 2019

    Chairman Steve Full Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2018
    Messages:
    909
    I wouldn’t be averse to having him, seeing that McTominay is still relatively unproven to be at the level we aspire to be at. A few good performances in high profile games in a short space doesn’t make a superstar. For every Rashford there will be a Januzaj.

    Plus with Herreras quadriceps injury meaning he’ll have to relocate to France to fix it and play again, it frees up space for the likes of Rice to coexist with someone like McTominay.
  40. Apr 14, 2019

    Tarrou Full Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2013
    Messages:
    13,240
    Location:
    Toronto
    Looks really good

    Can see us bringing him in to replace Matic