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Deepfakes

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Olly, Feb 4, 2018.

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    Olly bacon hating kebab dodging Tinder stud Scout

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    Anybody seen this?

    There's this new software that's been released, and all you need to do is input a few photos/screenshots of somebody and a video you want to put their face on, and the software uses some kind of AI to train itself to put the persons face onto the video. Some of the videos are really well done. Of course, everybody is using it for putting celebrities on porn vids and stuff, which while is obviously not great, it opens up loads of possibilities for other things that could be quite scary.

    Phil DeFranco did a video talking about it



    Here's a BBC article on it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42912529

    And here's one of the few non porn ones I've seen


    It's so realistic, and the software has only just come out.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Sam Harris has been talking about software like this for a while. Once it’s perfected we’re into a whole new world of Fake News.
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    Ødegaard formerly MrEriksen

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    Hard to practice leaving a technology in the gutter. But I do hope we are at the very least able to not have this kind of software in the arms of "normal" people... Best case completely ditched or reworked for other purposes.
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    neelu91 Likes to eat cement and rubber but not boogers

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    Yup quite scary stuff. Basically even video evidence cannot be trusted soon as people are making convincing fakes with their home computers.
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    Jippy Sleeps with tramps, bangs jacuzzis, dirty shoes Scout

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    If you filmed the Loch Ness monster now, no-one will believe you now.
    @Olly is there no filter or screen you can run a vid to see if it's been doctored?
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    Ramshock The spacegoats did it

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    You just know the Republicans and Russians will be all over this shit.
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    So what is to stop crimes being pinned on people using this? Scary.
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    Very bad, just imagine the stuff you can do with it in a negative way. Think the negatives outweigh any positives
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    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

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    It’s all digital now, there won’t be any negatives involved.
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    Javi Full Member

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    :lol:
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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

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    Booo!
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    So if there really is a golden shower tape featuring Trump it will be labeled deepfake thus useless?
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    Dan Smells of wee

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    That gif above, this technology is scary. :eek:
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    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

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    Nah they will be easy for forensics to analyse.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    I dunno, it looked imperfect to me - a slight delay in movement & expression.
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    Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football

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    Exactly especially if they have money and you don't
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    Dan Smells of wee

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    The Superman bit is real though.
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    Presumably any use of this will leave signs that are easily identifiable by the right software. It might be a problem for more casual situations, but I doubt anyone is going to prison over it.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    I thought it was Face/Off: the Early Years.
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    RedRom "Where's Lingard?"

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    Once the genie is out of the bottle then there really isn't any way to put it back in, so this may very well be only the beginning, in time as with all technology, it will improve, so it will be very interesting to see quite how far people go with this.
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    JustAFan The Adebayo Akinfenwa of football photoshoppers

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    Not to sound paranoid but if the software is now being released how likely is it that there already is a version in the hands of say government agencies, large corporations etc?

    Saw another article about this and somewhere in it someone mentioned that some of the porn fakes were using facial images of some young actors before they were 18 so it raised the question whether it could be considered child pornography.
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    Ødegaard formerly MrEriksen

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    Indeed. I'm just thinking from the philosophical standpoint. In practice it's as good as impossible to remove technology that has been spread to the masses.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    That's next level porn.
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    As a person in IT I’m surprised we haven’t seen this sooner. Especially with all of the digital effects in movies. They’ve been doing this type of thing for a while with stunt doubles and cgi.

    I had a look at the subreddit for this. It’s pretty disturbing that porn is driving it. That Melania gif is...
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    Mike Schatner Devil's advocnut

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    Disturbing but not surprising. Without Porn the Internet would have take years longer to take off.
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    Welsh Wonder A dribbling mess on the sauce

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    Nah that's just how Cavill acts mate
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    There is no containing this. It's not a single algorithm that is used to do it. You can use similar techniques to that employed in the neural style transfer algorithm and with a decent cluster get something believable. Especially when you don't need high resolution.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    That's strange...I know him from The Tudors (in which he was good, tbh) but thought he was a young Travolta in that gif. :D
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    Welsh Wonder A dribbling mess on the sauce

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    I actually like him as an actor myself, I think I was just being an arsehole cause I'm tired :D

    A young Travolta?! :lol: Oh Steve
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    I've looked at a few of these, for science, and there is one major hurdle that will make them blatantly obvious most of the time.

    You can't fake the shape of the head. I saw one two months ago, or so, and it was hilariously bad. I saw another one a couple days ago, and it had improved so much. What they can't change however (at least so far), is the shape of the head. Right now they all look like, "Oh that's so and so on someone else head". Sometimes you can't even tell who it is supposed to be because the shape of your head is a pretty big part of how your face actually looks.
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    Olly in thread criticising technology stealing his job shocker!
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    Trying to match faces always was the most annoying part, tbf.
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    Mike Schatner Devil's advocnut

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    Isn't that solved by finding someone with the same head shape?
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    Nucks Cuckoo

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    My original post was much longer and actually detailed the process of people running around with digital scanners, getting accurate measurements of the actresses heads, and then finding porn stars with similar heads.

    But I deleted it, because I didn't want to seem like too much of a weirdo!
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    OK, I saw some of those videos and sure, they look a bit off, but I'd assume it's mostly due to movements and interactions.

    If it was, let's say, a politician giving a speech behind a podium, always in the same place and not moving much, it wouldn't b that hard to find an actor with the same head form features.
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    What are the implications for surveillance cams for instance?