Detention camps targeting uighars in western China

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    I think Pakistan, champions of Human Rights in the region, and close ally of China, can and definitely will do something about this :wenger:
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    It's China, it's Muslims and its human rights violations that's not in the west. Aside from some token noise nothing much will get done if anything at all.

    You can't really expect Pakistan to go against their Chinese colonial overlords. Chinese dictators are a lot more efficient than the tin pot ones Pakistan are used to.
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    Han Chinese brutality against the ethnic minorities is the oldest story in the book.

    There’s a strong strain of Confucian conservatism running in the current CPC. Tibet and Xinjiang have born the brunt of that ideological assault for years.
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    Nope, we can learn it from the beacon of Human rights, that is Maha-Bharat. :)
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    Its not just against ethnic minorities. China is simply out for anyone who doesn't fit their view of what China should be. With 1.5 billion of them they know that too many differing views will be impossible to control.
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    How does this contradict what I said?

    Also, this goes beyond clamping down on dissent. Han Chinese supremacism/dominion is well represented in their mainstream as well as internet/youth culture, there are generations brought up on animosity toward Japanese, disdain towards Koreans, Vietnamese, Indians, Phillipinos, and their own Muslim (Uyghurs) as well as Manchurian/Mongolian population. They believe in exercising control over anyone and everyone within their desired sphere of influence, as their dysnasties of old.
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    It doesn't. Just stating it goes beyond a simple dislike of ethnic minorities. It's their desire to control the population and conviction that they are superior.
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    The two are intrinsically linked. To put it simply, their dislike of ethnic minorities as well as those of neighboring countries stemmed from a long and bloody history in which the native Han population were under constant threat from the nomadic tribes of the Eurasian steppes who conquered them between the Jin and Tang dynasties, after Tang until Song, then the Jurchen Jin, Mongols/Yuan and Manchurians/Qing all took their turn ruling over the population. Counteracting that with sabotage, division and oppression has been their defense mechanic. They prize themselves on being the more culturally sophisticated who eventually subdue their conquerors, but also resent the fact that they were conquered by barbarians (by their standard), and that is imprinted into the national psyche.

    So in short, it's all fvcked. And since the UN can't do feck all about it, the Uyghurs and Tibetans can only rely on themselves. Guerilla war/urban terrorism leading to autonomous settlement is probably their best bet
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    Ethnic minorities who have ties to Al-Qaeda?
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    Your point being?

    The OSS (CIA) were more than happy to fund communist or Islamist groups when it suits their agenda, and vice versa, those groups were happy to receive that fund, despite the ideological differences.

    No one will care where the guns you use to shoot at your oppressor came from. Better not oppress people than tar them with the 'terrorist' brush when they decide to fight back.
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    Not really interested in getting into historical arguments which don't really add value now. It's hard to not tar an organization which has ties to Al-Qaeda as not a terrorist organization.

    Edit: Perhaps not a discussion for this thread as I have no idea whether it was terrorists or common citizens from that region in the camps.
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    By that logic, both the US and UK government are terrorist organisations as they funnel money/arms into militant/extremist groups in the middle east/syria/lybia?

    It's a lazy argument. Terrorism is a tactic. The aim of oppressed ethnic minorities being put in concentration camps like the Uyghurs is taking down their oppressors no matter the means. They can give less of a feck what Al Qaeda is doing as long as they help them achieve their aim - self determination.
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    What organization are you talking about?
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    Wow, a million strong "terrorist" group in one area. Must be a record.
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    All 1 million of the prisoners have ties to Al Qaeda? It's funny they are so concerned with terrorism when the authorities are willing to release Uighur men as long as female relatives agree to marry han Chinese men.

    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3442256
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    :lol:
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    The scale of this horror is hard to understand. There are many monsters in this world
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    Takes two minites to Google before posting.
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    We have been trying for ages to stop the human right violation done in kashmir and we haven't stopped India from killing children.

    How do you propose we make a bigger super power do anything?
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    Maybe by teaming up with other like minded countries in order to aquire equal footing in terms of economic power. Since economic power is the only feasible and credible thing I can see that could potentially make them give in. Sadly that's not even close to a feasible blueprint for action because not a lot of people actually care.
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    Which country is interested in putting sanctions on China?

    I mean they are killing muslims, if the last ten years have taught as anything it's that the world doesn't care about muslims.
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    The whole lot of ... nobody. Totally agree. That's what I meant with the last sentence. It is a proposition of something (the only thing?) that could at least be attempted though.
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    Plenty of christians suffering around the world. I guess in general we just don't care about people we can't see.
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    MBS doesn't give a feck about Muslims or Islam. It's just a tool to maintain power.
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    Not surprised.
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    Another hypocritical sellout. Just like the rest of the Arab world, Pakistan and Turkey as well.
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    Chinese state obliterating its Muslim heritage:

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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

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    State sponsored Islamophobia. Fareed covered it on Sunday.
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    None of them care about muslims although turkey does (only) give lip service.

    No one cares about the people from another country. Make no mistake if hypothetically tomorrow pakistan gets invaded then you'll be left to defend yourselves by the entire muslim world. Similarly if Indian muslims are being massacred then we'll be left to our own devices. I dont think the arabs/persians/turks would be risking there lives for desi muslims.
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    For Turkey, it is more about race then religion with regards to the Uighurs, isn't it?
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    Thread on the situation in Kashmir: