Did Sir Alex Ferguson make a mistake selling David Beckham???

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Did Sir Alex make a mistake in selling David Beckham?

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  2. No

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  1. Dec 1, 2017

    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    It doesn't matter if the fee for him was agreed (which it was). Tevez didn't want to play for United, he chose the bigger deal across town. United try to negotiate with him for over a month.

    The whole process is a big reason why he's commonly disliked amongst our fans.
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    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    We either said we didnt want to pay the remaining 22M or want to pay it over a period of time. David Gill, iirc, said something about the money situation not being good.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    United agreed to the fee and were going to make him one of the top earners but he didn't want to sign.
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    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    Before that Gill came out saying 25.5M was a bit toppy for him and we are neither accepting nor denying that we will buy him for that kind of money... Even SAF said the financial situation had changed and it was getting difficult.
    We eventually offered the deal, but it was after a lot of bad press and the player publicly saying Utd are not giving him enough respect or showing that we want him.
    Anyways, that was my opinion about it at that time. Not relevant to this thread though.
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    Garethw scored 25-30 goals a season as a right footed RW

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    Gill was definately talking bollocks. We got £85 million from the Ronaldo sale that summer.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    You don't have your facts straight. Those comments from Gill were made after he joined City. Before he had fully denied us and gone the other way there weren't such comments. Just something about the process being complicated because of all the different parties involved but United were always going to sign him and pay the fee, that wasn't the issue. It took a while to sort out which fee went where and if the PL would allow the sale because if the whole 3rd party ownership and West Ham's involvement. Fact is Tevez is a sulky fellow, had been sulking for months and didn't want to resign so he picked basically the same environment where he got more money and later did the exact thing there. Played well for a bit and then started sulking.
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    Gio 4 times Redcafe Draft Winner

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    I'd disagree with a few of the comments that Beckham didn't really shine for Real Madrid. He had a number of good spells over there in a dysfunctional team, particularly early on - twice in the European Sports Magazine team of the month in 2003/04 - and latterly when they won the league in 2006/07. But it was the right move for other reasons.
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    JustAFan The Adebayo Akinfenwa of football photoshoppers

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    Does not change the fact it is wrong to say we sold him.
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    The Brown Bull Full Member

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    Absolutely not.
    Beckham was a vastly overrated footballer in my opinion.
    Great crosser, good right foot, but didn’t have the pace of a great winger.
    The massive media circus that surrounded him didn’t help.
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    I feel the answer is yes, Beckham was better player for us than Rolando. Beckham just hit the strides in 1996 until his sale in 2003. That's about 8 years of excellency, specially in the free kick department, when Beckham was here you always wised for United to get free kick. Ronaldo on other hand was nothing special far as i'm concerned until start of season 2006-7. SO Ronaldo only had maybe 3 good years at OT.

    But the real culprit for the Beckham sale is Giggs: https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSfwcI8wsMY is horrendus open goal miss in FA cup 2003, after that game SAF kicked the boots into Becks is face. In the summer he was gone.
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    Even if Beckham had been paying attention in the changing room, and had headed the boot up, then gently side-footed it back to SAF he was going in the Summer anyway, he, sorry Victoria wanted him out of Old Trafford.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    We would have been firmly in the running with him around, he really was a huge player for us.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Many probably didn't want to admit but his circus helps us in the global brand worldwide.

    I was a fan of United because of beckham
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    Sammyjunn Banned

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    Let this man rest, gosh. Since he's retired our fans are constantly looking for "mistakes". No it wasnt a mistake and neither was it a mistake to "let Pogba go", which he never did.
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    Varun Moderator Staff

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    This.
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    Ideally he'd have made up with him and kept him for 1-2 more seasons and we'd have gotten a fair price for him instead of the pittance we got (when you consider marketing).
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    I loved Beckham but he lost a yard of two and OGS was being picked ahead of him for the bigger games. Time was right for him to move on.

    Fantastic servant, always be a legend!
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    VivaObertan Transfer Voyeur

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    His headband after the boot incident said it all for me. Too much focus on PR and Brand Beckham
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    I'd say it was his falling out with Fergie that led to him not being picked for the bigger games towards the end as much as anything. I don't really recognise the description of Beckham's talents waning in that period. Retrospectively it looks like you described, that he was let go because he became less important to the team. I think the reality has much more to do with Sir Alex wanting to exert control. As good as Ole was, he definitely didn't improve upon what Beckham gave us and I would doubt whether his short-term replacing of him in the team had anything at all to do with what Beckham produced on the pitch.
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    You have to remember in that last season he played for us he was running out of hair styles.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Fergie is one of the few managers to have a great team over at least three generations. Maybe the only manager.

    No he didn't make a mistake selling Beckham. Should have sold Giggs too. jokes
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    Oscie Full Member

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    But he did replace him in the team, in the short term, with someone who wasn't as good or able to produce what Beckham was. I don't think it's really arguable that 2003 OGS wasn't a better option on the right side of midfield than David Beckham.

    I don't think he made a mistake in selling him per se, I just think it's fairly obvious he wasn't sold nor lost his place in the team for footballing reasons. So ignoring everything is the question essentially is whether or not dropping a better player and replacing him with someone who cannot perform that role as well as he could, classified as a mistake/error/faux pas. Whatever else you can say about the situation between player and manager, for me that's an error.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Broke my heart when he left. Really thought he would retire at United. Becks probably didn't even want to move to Madrid but had no choice
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    His impact in Europe was dropping, better teams would plan for him, I can remember the likes of Lizarazu and Carlos neutralizing Beckham quite easily, mark him tightly, force him back and allow little space for him to wind up his right foot. He wanted to play CM towards the end as well, believing his own hype, was not good enough to play there(Giggs for all the carping was far better in CM than Beckham ever was). Madrid tried to play him in the middle early in his spell there, his short passing and spatial awareness was not good enough, only really made an impact when he moved back to the right.

    Just on Tevez, he was not that good for Utd. Far better at City sadly, at Utd he looked a poor man's Rooney. Plenty of graft but you would often hear or read Utd fans talking about the lack of magic in his game. The Berbatov saga has lifted Tevez higher, but really neither were right for Utd.
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    RVP was better fit than both me thinks. I bet RVP regrets not joining United sooner, specially if we were in for him when he signed for Arsenal.
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    Bobski Full Member

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    He peaked late, spent time at Arsenal backing up Henry, Bergkamp, even Adebayor. Injuries held him back, only really had 2-3 great seasons in his career. Tremendous talent, pity that Utd only really got that for 1 year. A bit like Dwight Yorke in how his impact tailed off so quickly, Yorke like RVP had decent numbers in his second season but his performances if you watched him were not on the same level.
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    NotoriousISSY $10mil and I fecked it up!

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    I don’t think it was necessarily the right or wrong move.

    It wasn’t the direct cause of 3 baron years in the league, but it certainly changed the way we played. But the way Arsenal and Chelsea were moving in them days, where everything was electrifying and powerful, we needed to make some changes. At the same time, Beckham supplementing the players that eventually came in would not have been the worst thing from a footballing perspective.
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    A lot of people assume we weren't getting Ronaldo (without Beckham leaving) but I don't think there's much evidence for that. United and Ferguson always went after promising young players (most of them ending up poor buys seemingly). Ronaldinho was to (albeit not a direct like for like) replace Beckham remember - not Ronaldo.

    I think Beckham still had a lot to offer as a player and I do think it was a shame he left the club. So I think it was a mistake but not one that cost United or Ferguson a great deal in the future.
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    Yes, it was a big mistake given the fact United didn't come close to challenging for the league in the first three seasons after he left and our performances in the champions league got worse. I think it was possible to keep him and get Ronaldo as Ronaldo's market value back then was really small (12 million right ?) the power of Beckham's brand was mentioned, can people imagine how more powerful the United brand would be (even though it has always been obviously very global and big) if we had Beckham and Ronaldo together ? Goals would come from the two wings, as Beckham's crosses were still world class and Ronaldo could dribble and create chances out of nowhere. I think Giggs had already peaked as a winger by the time Beckham was sold. One year later we would get Rooney of course... I believe a front three of Beckham, Ronaldo and Rooney would have had the impact the 'MSN' had for Barcelona recently. United should have sold RVN instead. He was going to be sold in the summer of 2005 anyway. Beckham was still a very good player until 2009 as he proved in Milan. Should have been sold here only in 2010 in my opinion.
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    Was Beckham going to help matters if he'd have stayed in those 3 years? With or without Beckham we'd have done more or less the same. It was an aging squad that needed some work.
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    Luke1995 Full Member

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    He was not far removed from his prime
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    Beckham was awful at Milan. People tend to remember his time there for that volley he hit against Utd in the CL, a tie in which Utd pummeled Milan. They were an old team and he was part of the problem.

    Past prime Giggs was a far better player than past prime Beckham, who apparently was not even that good in the MLS if you listen to Galaxy fans who watched him there.
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    No. Before his injury in early 2010, he was in strong contention to get called up for the world cup. I remember him doing well in early 2009. At Galaxy, the team was always terrible, all he could do was to create alot of chances, which the poor teammates wasted. To be totally honest, I can't recall all of his time in Milan, if anyone remembers it in it's entirety, shed some light here
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    I watched 10-12 of his Milan games(most in the first spell), he played in 30 odd overall in 2 spells. They were a very disappointing team given the names, Beckham, Ronaldinho, Pirlo, Gattusso, Nesta, Huntelaar, Seedorf. Must have done well enough to be brought back for the second time but every time I watched him he just looked off the pace, even in an old team.

    Making the 2010 WC would have been more about his name than his performances.

    Just to add, watched maybe 1 game of his time in MLS, so can only go on others opinion.
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    Yeah, the second time he had clearly lost a step. But the first time from what I remember, he was probably their best player outside of Kaka. I can speak more clearly about his time in PSG, I feel he wasn't given enough opportunities to play and that was partially why he chose to retire, they were more interested in his brand than in what he could offer as a player, but I still remember some classy passes and assists, I think he could have stayed in the game longer.
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    Anyone can remember what kind of player beckham was like before 1995 ? I know he was a regular from the 95-96 season onwards, but how was he doing as a teenager ? From what I know, Giggs and Scholes got way more opportunities until 1994.
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    He barely played for the first team before 95/96, Scholes was much more involved and obviously Giggs had been a few seasons ahead in terms of development. Beckham had a loan at Preston before 95 but I doubt many United fans saw much of him there.
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    I just find it weird that Ronaldo was trusted into the team as a 18 year old and having never played in england before, while Ferguson knew Beckham since he was 14 years old and saw his progress from close but still didn't trust him until he was 20. It turned out well in the end though
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    Well having an amazing player like Kanchelskis in the same position would partly explain that. But more than that, they were just very different players at that age.