Do we have a rat or are we seeing the start of something worse?

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    andersj Nick Powell Expert

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    "One source has told ESPN FC that there were concerns within the squad's foreign contingent as early as February -- when Solskjaer was still unbeaten in his role as caretaker-manager -- that the approach under the former Cardiff City manager was "too British" and lacking in continental expertise. The same source has claimed that last week's training regime was "just running, running, running," with players forced to do double sessions on their first week back in preseason following Solskjaer's decision to bring the squad back as early as July 1 to start preparations for the new campaign."

    https://www.espn.co.uk/football/clu...f-solskjaers-issues-for-man-uniteds-preseason

    Whether the source is a player or a players agent or just made up from a lying journalist, this is a bit of a worry. Not that the player is running a lot or that the approach is to "British". That bit, I am fine with. I remember similar reports on Klopp a few years back. It is also evidently a part of the approach of Pochettino and Pep. Teams that play proactive football needs to run. A lot! We used too as well. As Pep said in a Sky-interview, you dont run, you dont play. There is not much "too British" about it.

    I'm not that worried about the rat either. Lack of loyalty is an issue, but I'm sure Solskjaer will get rid of the players with the wrong mentality. We knew that there are players who lack the right attitude and commitment. I'm actually amused if the players are complaining about too much running. They have a few kilometers to make up for, to say the least.

    What worries me is the agenda of the journalist. I have felt for some time that Ogden would be one of the first to have a go at Solskjaer. I saw an interview a while back where he was extremely critical of Solskjaer without managing to explain why (he was, of course, very pro in March). While he strikes me as one of these headless chicken journalists who will be a turncoat, I worry that there is more too it. This is usually how it starts and the reason I feel strongly about it is the angle. This criticism came from nowhere and it is unwarranted. He is having a go at Solskjaer for making the players run too much. For the first week of pre-season! And he is trying to put a label on him based on it. It is ridiculous!

    I can only imagine how this will develop when he actually starts making a few mistakes this season (even Ferguson did!). Last season we saw how success breeds success. We have too many times the past few years how the opposite can also be the case. Journalists play their parts in reinforcing trends and articles like this might not matter much at this point in time. But it might be a seed and if we come through a tough patch it might grow and eventually hurt the focus and moral of the team. We can not underestimate the importance of having a group of players who believe in the work they are doing compared to a group who dont.

    Ferguson famously said "stand behind your managers". The quote can be misused and I don't think Ferguson would want the fans to stand behind the manager "no matter what". But I do think this is what he was talking about. He knew all too well how important it is to control the media and the narrative they create. Because in the end, it is likely to become a self-fulfilling prophecy and consequently the truth. We should never accept that journalists have a go at the manager in an unwarranted manner like this.

    Usually it is hard to spot and agenda and an angle. At this point of the season it is easier and I felt this was an obvious one. I would appreciate if people in here could contribute to spotting and highlighting similar agendas from journalists. Maybe in this thread (might need a better headline, then?)?
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    Moonwalker Full Member

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    This is amazing, there's a million things to be legitimately worried about at the moment, but out of all of them it's the "agenda of a journalist" that's the most disturbing to you?

    Ferguson, by the way, never could control the media or their agendas. He would amuse himself warring with them, but it never stopped what they were writing about or how.

    It's a fools errand worrying about this stuff and you should stop for your own sake.
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    EireRed_GS New Member

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    If the journo isnt talking through his hoop, Its probably one of the players. And a sign of the trend in the dressing room that fcked last season.

    I would kind of agree if true Ole is focussed on homegrown British (cus majority of them aint good enough), Thats a stupid strategy to have.

    But when it comes to having a cry about having to do alot of running and doing double sessions.. they seriously need to have a look at themselves. After the shambles on how we ended last season, Ole said he want our team to be hardest working in the league. To get to that level is gonna take some serious fitness. Training like this is expected. Not one of them are in for an easy ride this season.

    If a player doesnt like that & cant be bothered to put the head down and work, they can get the fck out of our club. Jump in that taxi with Pogba and Lukaku.
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    snowkarl New Member

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    Unless we win our first 10 games this season I bet the atmosphere in United circles will be absolutely horrific.

    Preseason started yesterday and already we've got articles about OGS making the players run too much :lol::lol:
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    Snafu17 Full Member

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    So the first mistake you made was trusting a ESPN "source".
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    Crashoutcassius Full Member

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    Players kicking off about running too much after the end of last season... if you don't take Oles side on this you are a disgrace of a fan
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    prateik Full Member

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    These feckers dont run enough during a game. If he is training them to run more, it can only help.
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    horsechoker Sailor vee, this is a right off.

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    VP89 Pogba's biggest fan

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    Quick! Which players wouldn't be happy with running?
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    It's Ogden, his career was done with Moyes'
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    Or you have a general understanding of modern exercise in football.
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    Born2Lose Full Member

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    These players have gotten far too comfortable with losing, with enjoying the esteem of playing for United but not putting in the effort required.

    At this point I'm not expecting Champagne football or many trophies, I just want to watch a team that gives the same level of effort week in / week out that City and Liverpool players do.

    It will be interesting to see if these stories still come out once Pogba's gone.
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    Based Adnan New Member

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    The one time I agree with the fecking run about a bit approach
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    mitchmouse Full Member

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    Mark Ogden is actually one of the better football writers - at least when he writes for the Torygraph, and isn't he a United fan? If he is, then he's probably as worried as the realists in the caf
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    SER19 Full Member

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    Aaaaand it begins again. 4th manager in a row to take the fall. These guys would win the treble with the right manager :lol:
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    peridigm Full Member

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    Journalist changing their narrative to create a story? Shocking stuff.
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    AltiUn likes playing with swords after fantasies

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    Indeed, I still remember fondly when what he said was basically gospel, now he's honestly no better than Delaney.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Yeah. When Moyes was manager, Ogden was very reliable. Now he is just a poor journalist with articles like this.
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    andersj Nick Powell Expert

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    Hehe, I'm fine. Thank you!

    Most disturbing? Did I write that? I had to read it again and as it turns out, I did not. Maybe you should too. But if its that much trouble for you, you should probably just continue being naive. It probably suits you...
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    Wednesday at Stoke Full Member

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    Players always complain when they have to do fitness work and they like working with the ball. That's a constant issue of friction. I think Ole will start training on tactics as soon as they start the tour so they will all be happier then.
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    Beachryan More helpful with spreadsheets than Phurry

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    Seriously, I used to care about both, now nothing but negative click generating bs. It's almost sad.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Just few days back from Ole's interview

    Ogden is just a piece of shit who won't look out of place writing for Sun.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    You mean the exercise where double, triple session is common?
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    VP89 Pogba's biggest fan

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    Unsure how true the report is but I do hope Ole is making the feckers run. Although I stood by Jose I hated how we weren't fit under his regime. It was all too pragmatic and not fluid enough.
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    Woodzy Full Member

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    So much negativity before the season is even close to starting. Feels for too familiar to last year.
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    TRUERED89 New Member

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    All made up tripe imo.. Cant stand Mark Ogden though, and never take his articles or interviews seriously, absolute clown of a journalist..
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    Infestissumam Full Member

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    lots of running and double sessions? Sounds good to me.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Also there is nothing wrong with running and double sessions. These same clowns were so giddy when Conte and Klopp was making them run so much in preseason. There was even detailed breakdown on Conte's preseason.

    Klopp -
    Redcafe (few guys) - Fitness is just an excuse.
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    NoLogo Full Member

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    Good. Those lazy pricks need to learn how to run for 90 minutes if they want to compete this season.
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    afrocentricity Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    Geronwivit!

    Seriously though, whoever is having a moan about having to run a bit more than usual, should shut the feck up! The journo that ran with it should shut the feck up too....
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    Sean Deery New Member

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    To be honest 3-4 weeks off running isn’t going to make very much difference we won’t be playing like Liverpool come the start of the season.
    It has to be ingrained in them week in week out to see any difference and even then some players might not suit it.
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    We need to be the fittest team in the league. Then we might have a chance of carrying the ball past midfield, as we don't have any midfielders.
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    Crackers Coolest Cracker in the box

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    Play a bunch of really fit players and we can just press them in their own half. Problem solved
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    big rons sovereign New Member

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    Complaining about double sessions in pre season? That's standard pre season isn't it?
    When I worked at a football League club every pre season was double sessions, until the last week or so when they'd relax a bit and maybe have a few days off.
    Sounds like utter toss to me
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    Lazy gits. Make em run Ole.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Yeah, looks like Ogden just pulled something out of his arse. Double session is very common in preseason and you have someone like Klopp who had triple sessions too.
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    Why are they complaining about double sessions in pre-season? Haven't they been doing that for a while under different managers. Maybe Ole is tougher than they thought, or because he gave them programmes to do during the hols that it would be easier in pre-season. Think again lads.
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    Humbre, Humbre, Ole, Ole,
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    It depends on how and when you do it. There are many coaches who even stopped any sort of exercises without the ball. Others don't practise for more than 90 minutes at all. The idea that more running and exercise leads to better results is not true. There is such a thing as too much exercise. While I'm not going to accuse OGS of that, as I don't know enough about him, as a fan of the club I would pay close attention to what the players seem to think. They have seen enough coaches to be able to judge the methods of OGS and if they are skeptical, so would I be.
    The idea that players are lazy and the coach needs to kick them in the ass, is just stupid talk from the fans.
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    Maybe Lukaku doesn't like being asked to run about a bit?