Dominoes draft: R1 - Enigma_87 vs P-nut0712

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Who would win in the following draft game with all players at their peak?

Poll closed Nov 10, 2017.
  1. Enigma_87

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  2. P-nut0712

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    TACTICS

    Enigma_87
    Formation: 4-2-3-1 (fluid)
    Defensive line: normal
    Style: very direct, fast tempo, interchanging positions in attack.

    Player profiles and roles:
    GK: Toni Schumacher - One of the best keepers of the 80's. Strong in the air, commanding presence in the box (and uncompromising outside it) and excellent reflexes.
    LB: Ashley Cole - Probably the best left back since Maldini he is tasked to stretch up the play and participate in the build up in attack, whilst also being rock solid in defence. He'll move vertically to engage the opposition full back in possession and another option forward, whilst letting Andres and Di Stefano do their magic attacking from that side.
    RB: Willy Sagnol - an integral part of a hugely successful Bayern team in the early 00's, he won 5 Bundesliga's, 1 CL, 1 Intercontinental Cup and 4 DFB Pokal's. His credentials at international level are also worth remembering that 2006 WC run, where he put one solid performance after another and starting all of his country 7 games. He's a superb long passer and crosser and will be in balanced role forming a great partnership with Figo on the right.
    CB: Sol Campbell - a complete CB. He possessed great strength, pace and defensive ability, whilst also great in the air - scoring some vital goals from headers. He was Arsenal's leader at the back for many years and had an excellent WC in 2002, selected as CB in the all star team.
    CB: Roberto Ayala - perhaps a bit underrated since his peak came at Valencia he was the heart of the defence which won 2 La Liga's, breaking Real and Barca duopoly and also winning an UEFA cup and making it to CL finals - being awarded the best defender of the year in 2001 in the process. Relentless, ball-winning and mentally strong. Kept the defensive of the Argentinian squad together for many years. One of the best in his generation and of a dying breed - complete, pure defender.
    CDM: Frank Rijkaard - The man needs no introduction, but you can hardly find someone better to protect the back four than him. The best DM in the game has a crucial role freeing Di Stefano to roam around the middle of the park and control the game.
    B2B/Total footballer - Alfredo Di Stefano - undoubtedly the star of the team, he would be practically everywhere. He'll drop back to start the team moves and get the ball. Defend when we're off the ball and recover it, surge forward and finish off moves in the box. We will put his endless stamina to the test and as his manager at Real said: “The greatness of Di Stéfano was that, with him in your side, you had two players in every position.” — Miguel Munoz. At his best he's everywhere so we're using the 4-2-3-1 to be at the center of things and heart of the game.
    LWF: Andres Iniesta - One of the best modern players and perhaps part of the best club and international team we've seen he'll also play a pivotal and important role in the setup.
    Andres will be tucking in when Di Stefano surges forward either centrally or to the left. Use his dribbling ability on the left side to create chances and also defend when we're off the ball. His versatility is key as he has proven on more than one occasion that he can play anywhere in midfield and on the two wings and fit nicely in our quick transitions in attack, whilst being tactically astute to keep position and cover for Di Stefano.
    RWF: Luis Figo - Another complete winger and one of the best right wingers in the game. He offers a blend of physical and technical skills with the ability to beat his man constantly and put in top crosses and passes from the right. A hard worker by trade as well he'll provide support in both phases. Figo’s greatest assets were his powerful free-kicks, a knack for scoring vital goals, skill to beat players at will, pinpoint passing ability and incredible imagination to create assists out of nothing.
    #10/AM/SS - Zico - The White Pele is considered as one of the most skillful and greatest finishers ever in the game, having scored more than 500 goals for club and country. Zico was a true genius on the park with his vision, technique and passing ability was top notch coupled with his perfect free Kick technique. His role is more of a second striker/advanced playmaker in a way that it won't interfere with Di Stefano dropping back and running the game from deep. His brilliant linkup play, quick one two's, the ability to beat players and create space for others will come in handy when we're moving with the ball in attack.
    CF - Karl Heinz Rummenigge - a complete forward capable of operating anywhere in attack. His role is to occupy and move defenders out of position to allow the late runs of Zico and Di Stefano in the box. Kalle was an athletic, complete and all-round forward, who could play all across the front line - as a winger on both sides,a second striker or targeted striker, which made him one of the most versatile football players the World has ever seen. He was capable in beating opposing defenders with his high speed, physical power and technical abilities. Kalle had great off the ball and finishing abilities.

    Tactics and advantages:
    Defence - a solid back four consisting of two full backs that can support the attack and two pure central defenders. Ashley Cole has proven he is a key asset on the left wing having been paired with another left side playmaker who loved cutting in in Pires and afterwards for Chelsea alongside Duff and Robben. Sol Campbell and Ayala is really solid backbone in the center and one of the best of their generation. Both are excellent in the air with Ayala possessing a huge leap, both are fast and hard to beat on the ground. At the goal we have Schumacher with his commanding presence.

    Midfield - Rijkaard is with a vital role here protecting the back four. We will be defending more like 4-4-1-1 with Di Stefano dropping in midfield when we're off the ball.

    An excerpt of Di Stefano in the game against Freiburg to describe him best:

    A defensive nine as well as an attacking third and four-phase playmaker

    6 minutes: Alfredo Di Stéfano gets the ball in front of the center line, carries the ball into the middle, but his outside of the boot pass goes astray. Frankfurt has the ball in midfield, Di Stéfano goes to counter press, but is dodged. The Germans play a long-range pass to the wing and counter. It comes to a cross, but Real’s defense clears it over the foul line. Marquitos has the ball – and plays it to Di Stéfano, who offers himself to receive the pass in his own penalty area and passes it with one touch. Canario plays to Marquitos, then back to Di Stéfano. He carries the ball through the midfield now, confident as ever. With the ball at his feet, he thrusts forward and plays a square pass that preceded a longer ball circulation for Real.

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    Real Madrid 1956

    Di Stefano could play all of the central positions; center forward, second striker, ten, eight, six, central defender, libero. But he played them all simultaneously. As a center forward, he often fell back between the defender in the 3-2-5 to fetch balls directly from his own penalty area and then march forwards. With the ball at his feet, he used his game intelligence to open the game with long-range passes, dodge around spaces and enemy pressing movements with combinations, or simply dribble past one, two, or even three opponents.

    These slalom runs as a defensive midfielder are often equated with his playing style; but that is a reduction of his skills and (even a negative) glorification of his archetype. Very often Di Stéfano is reduced to his goal threat from deep and merely supporting the midfield, but the Argentinian superstar of the 50s was much more than that. He could fill in as a deep playmaker in a variety of roles and styles, possessing the very rare ability to completely steal the game with his rhythm and dynamism and briefly take over a game.

    In short - that is how we've set up to maximize Di Stefano's effect on the game. We've steered away from having a deep playmaker (Didi/Xavi) type to allow him with the freedom to pick the ball from deep and go on his trademark slaloming runs. Zico as an advanced #10/playmaker is there to offer the quick one twos and option in attack to finish the moves and score.

    Iniesta offers protection in midfield tucking in - like he does for Barca at his peak and also for Spain. Our midfield and forward line is full of versatile and team players like Iniesta, Figo and Kalle, whilst Zico being a star man for Brazil and Flamengo is on the same wavelength as Di Stefano in his direct (no tiki-taka) style. Di Stefano loved the left side of the attack hence : In Madrid, the field at the Santiago Bernabeu Stadium leans to the left because Alfredo Di Stéfano had played so much on this side.

    to underline the tactics in attack when he has the ball.

    Attack: Kalle will be a complete striker who will drop into pockets, moving the defense of the opposition from the box and allowing Zico and Di Stefano to attack the box. He of course will put his strength and finishing ability to a great use with his presence in the box and also put away any chances we create.

    Advantages:
    Great attack with lot of variation. We have the skill, finishing ability and the versatile players to attack all over the attacking end.
    Solid core in defence and midfield - anchored by Rijkaard and protected by hardworking flair players like Iniesta and Figo.
    Classic back four excelling in the defensive game to support the front 6.


    P-nut0712
    Playing style

    I’m employing a counter attacking system that will sit deep and look to frustrate the opposition.

    The team

    Building from the back I’ve got a WC keeper with an extremely intelligent back three in position to protect him. Baresi will obviously be the leader, but in Schwarzenbeck and Carvalho I’ve got 2 different styles of cb to support him. Schwarzenbeck was nicknamed the iron foot for his tough tackling displays whilst Carvalho is renowned for his reading of the game. They will make a perfect partnership when Baresi steps forward to initiate counter attacks.

    My pair of Brazilian wing backs are in their perfect roles, where they can put maximum focus on getting forward and supporting attacks when possible. They will likely be the best out ball when sprinting into attack.

    The midfield is filled with world class box to box players. Schweinsteiger is situated centrally as he will be the one most charged with circulating the ball when needed. All 3 have excellent engines enabling them to support in both attack and defence without leaving the back line exposed.

    Most games are won or lost in the engine room and the power and technique of these three should give me a fighting chance against anyone.

    Schuster on the right will give Alves someone to link up with and should allow both of them to express their attacking talents.

    Vidal on the left whilst supporting Carlos will cover for him when he bombs down the flank.

    Villa is playing in a free role. Tasked with drifting between lines and getting close to Klose he will have no defined position and will position himself depending on the flow of the game.

    Klose will stay up top, tasked with zero defensive duties he will play as a poacher. Looking for half chances in and around the box. It’s the same role he performed for Germany at the World Cup. There is no one with a better record in elite knock out international football and when defending deep and relying on tucking away the chances he’s a perfect fit.

    Key areas

    A back 3 that complement each other.

    3 world class box to box midfielders in the engine room

    Lethal poacher in knockout football
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    After going on about 442 the whole draft Enigma sucks it up and goes for a 4-2-3-1 :lol:
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    You can't get Zico and bench him!
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    Edgar Allan Pillow Was AFC, likes them hypoallergenic - no feathers

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    Don't really get this, tbh!

    That's a hardcore CM trio fielded by P-Nut and Rijkaard would be outmuscled. Di Stefano and Iniesta need to be spending lot of time helping out and that leads to be a very off balance team.

    Underwhelming attacking duo from P-Nut, but then they are probably a even match for Sol/Ayala.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    yeah very much sucks, but picked Zico for the first time and couldn't really bench him in 4-4-2 :(

    In a 4-4-2 I think Di Stefano would have less effect in the game, whilst here he has more freedom to roam around the pitch.
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    That midfield battle looks yum.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    P-nut is sitting deep as per instructions. He won't engage into an open game and to me it's a smart move otherwise fast and direct players like Kalle, Zico and Di Stefano can rip anyone apart given the space.

    The fluid part is the movement I wanted to describe in my write up.

    Iniesta will be tucking in when Di Stefano goes left as he has done plenty of time for Spain and both Barca when he's playing in the leftish position.

    My initial intention was for him to be the playmaking left winger(ala Pires, overlapped by Cole) in a 4-4-2 but here he will tuck in to cover the midfield and not let Rijkaard getting exposed.

    In a 4-2-3-1 I needed Di Stefano to have the freedom to pick the ball from deep and bring it up the field. The only way Zico would work as well is being the advanced playmaker so they don't step on their toes.

    Both of them (Di Stefano/Zico) love the direct style and at speed with also a complete forward (Puskas/Careca) who will move around and create space for them, whilst also dragging defenders out of their comfort zone.
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    The early Barcelona / euro 80 version. His more attacking but still hard working version.
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    Quickly address the issue that I expected to come up with regards to my attackers.

    Villa is perfect for the counter attacking set up. I don’t need someone that wants lots of the ball and constantly rotating it. I need someone there that will use intelligence to pick up the correct positions and link with Klose by quick interchanges.

    Klose has proven to be clinical at the highest level when being on the periphery of the game.
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    Not really sure.

    For AdS more freedom to roam directly means more impact on the match. Esp with a interchangeable winger like Iniesta. Plus that Kalle pulling defenders for Figo dynamic being potent on other flank.

    I don't like Di Stefano placed deep and tasked with moving ball up...to Kalle, Figo and Zico ahead of him. With so many players ahead, it really is not a free role for him. He has to be a disciplined CM/DM here. He certainly can do it, but it's not utilizing him fully. Imo you are sacrificing part AdS just to accommodate Zico, which is a zero sum game. Don't see the benefit at all.
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    Little in depth analysis on the man of the hour - Di Stefano(part of it is in the OP as well):

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    He is regarded as one of the first “total” football players, considered the grand master of his playing style and the prototype of a leader; playful, tactical, psychological. His name is Alfredo Di Stéfano – and he influenced generations of footballers.

    Sir Alex Ferguson personally spoke of Alfredo Di Stéfano as an inspiration for him when he was as a child.

    “They were incredible. They were the first truly international club team and they were fantastic “ – Ferguson, who sat in the stands at the legendary Champion Clubs’ Cup finals in 1960 when he was a boy.

    In Argentina, the debate is not (yet) Maradona or Messi, but Di Stéfano or Maradona. And many of the older Argentines still see Di Stéfano in front. Granted, this may of course be a generational effect and glorification. After all, it wasn’t too long ago that many saw José Manuel Moreno and Adolfo Pedernera ahead of Di Stéfano.

    “The best player I ever saw in my life, was Adolfo Pedernera. Undoubtedly, Maradona was exceptional, fantastic. The best in years. One can not ignore even Pele. But for heaven’s sake, though it is difficult to draw comparisons, Pedernera was a very complete player who could play anywhere on the pitch. “ – Alfredo Di Stéfano Viagra Generika kaufen in On…

    Still, there was and is only one Don Alfredo. And there never will be another, because such a playing style is probably impossible today. This in-depth analysis will explain why this is so, and what made Alfredo Di Stéfano so special. His fundamental playing style and tactical nature in the team is described first, explaining the individual peculiarities of his technical style and also describing a specific psychological component. Besides repeatedly merging smaller quotes about this great player into the text, there is also a selective retelling of arguably the greatest European Cup game of all time, the 7:3 Real victory in 1960 against Eintracht Frankfurt. The graphics and statements come from visual search, if possible, and otherwise from text sources and descriptions.

    A defensive nine as well as an attacking third and four-phase playmaker

    6 minutes: Alfredo Di Stéfano gets the ball in front of the center line, carries the ball into the middle, but his outside of the boot pass goes astray. Frankfurt has the ball in midfield, Di Stéfano goes to counter press, but is dodged. The Germans play a long-range pass to the wing and counter. It comes to a cross, but Real’s defense clears it over the foul line. Marquitos has the ball – and plays it to Di Stéfano, who offers himself to receive the pass in his own penalty area and passes it with one touch. Canario plays to Marquitos, then back to Di Stéfano. He carries the ball through the midfield now, confident as ever. With the ball at his feet, he thrusts forward and plays a square pass that preceded a longer ball circulation for Real.

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    Real Madrid 1956

    Di Stefano could play all of the central positions; center forward, second striker, ten, eight, six, central defender, libero. But he played them all simultaneously. As a center forward, he often fell back between the defender in the 3-2-5 to fetch balls directly from his own penalty area and then march forwards. With the ball at his feet, he used his game intelligence to open the game with long-range passes, dodge around spaces and enemy pressing movements with combinations, or simply dribble past one, two, or even three opponents.

    “The great thing about Di Stéfano was that when he was on your team you had two players at any position” – Miguel Muñoz

    These slalom runs as a defensive midfielder are often equated with his playing style; but that is a reduction of his skills and (even a negative) glorification of his archetype. Very often Di Stéfano is reduced to his goal threat from deep and merely supporting the midfield, but the Argentinian superstar of the 50s was much more than that. He could fill in as a deep playmaker in a variety of roles and styles, possessing the very rare ability to completely steal the game with his rhythm and dynamism and briefly take over a game.

    It is often said of playmakers that they “set the tempo,”; yet it is rarely clear what that means. From a tactical perspective, one can imagine that the player is calmly engaged in a very dynamic game with many zone-changes and intense movements. Predominantly creating vertical attacks by leading a calmer and more stable ball circulation before directly or indirectly increasing the pace.

    Too high a rhythm can also create problems of a tacticalnature (such as a more wide-ranging and demanding nature of the passing game, unpleasant game dynamics or hasty decisions) and a psychological nature (such as more hectic action in the team’s coordination or a lack of concentration and precision).

    Of these various aspects, most players can only exert very little influence and control over the different spaces; some thrive on a fast rhythm, and find that, in general, they can only switch between fast and very fast or influence their environment at these speeds. Others are missing the middle range. They can either be slow or fast; and some may not even realize what they’re missing. To completely take over the pace for a brief moment and then flexibly revive it in varying degrees of intensity is an underrated art; and the “striker” Di Stéfano dominated them all.

    “The Argentine was the smartest player I ever saw. Pelé was perhaps the better instinctive player, but Di Stéfano came onto the pitch and the game had been largely played out in his head. “ – Bobby Charlton

    In some situations he broke away from opposing defensive efforts or dropped extremely deep into the build-up when it became vertical, and then stood with the ball. This sounds trite, but it had a certain effect: neither the ball nor the ball carrier moved and Di Stéfano had previously taken care that no opponent had access to him. Thus, a short break was abruptly introduced into the game; all previous free-runs or coverage movements could be completely reorganized. The cards were, in a way, redealt. Should someone dare to attack Di Stéfano in these moments, he now had a bad hand: Di Stéfano then usually twisted around his marker with a few touches to free himself, a la Xavi, and was able to interrupt his turn to make use of the resulting Dynamik if there was a suitable opportunity.

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    Real Madrid 1957

    These short idle periods, however, were often only the calm before the storm. Di Stéfano was not only positionally complete, but also incredibly gifted. With fast dribbling in the open and strategically selected areas, he opened passing options, leading the attack with passes or combinations to the wing or looking for the pass himself on the way towards goal.

    He also almost continuously altered his field of view. When one observed Di Stéfano in the game, they noticed immediately that he wanted to repeatedly reposition himself so that he could oversee the pitch completely throughout the match. His corrective ball control was sometimes a little messy, because he always pushed the ball over to one side and then slightly changed direction again. However, this also fulfilled the purpose of constantly looking for the best strategic solution.

    Generally, Di Stéfano had a great sense of his surroundings, used his field of view very well and employed both to control the surrounding dynamics of the game. He also changed his physical stances and positionings very appropriately; adjusting not only his position, but his posture. Because of this he could respond more effectively and with greater diversity to demanding scenes, as he was already aware when receiving a pass of his potential options. He let hard passes, for example, successfully go to a teammate or switched intelligently between one-touch passes, short breaks before the pass (trapping the ball and making a short run) or an anticipatory circulation backwards.

    Unlike many playmaking and influential attacking players (especially center forwards), Di Stéfano was therefore strategically outstanding. He sought not only the best action for the next step, but took into account his spatial awareness when making decisions. So he did not, for example, pass to the closest teammate, but to the next player, and commanded that it should immediately be played backwards; thus giving the second pass receiver a better field of view, more varied options, and more time for Di Stefano to move up front.

    “Who is this man? He takes the ball from the goalkeeper; he tells the defenders what they have to do. Wherever he is on the field, he is in a position to get the ball. It is his influence on everything that he happens to see. I’ve never seen such a complete footballer. It was as if he had his own command center set up in the heart of the football game. He was as strong as he was subtle. The combination of his qualities was fascinating. “ – Bobby Charlton

    The comparison with Cristiano Ronaldo which has been made a number of times in recent years is thus somewhat misleading; Di Stéfano shared certain individual aspects with Cristiano Ronaldo, e.g. physical dominance and presence, ambition, status, two-footedness and the goal-oriented awareness of movements in the penalty area. But, in his completeness he was much more of a Luka Modric, both tactically and strategically, who was also implemented as a penetrating and powerful center forward.

    This goal-oriented awareness and awesomeness then expressed itself in his overly demanding and controlling (!) passing game; if there were no forward movements by his teammates, then Di Stéfano forced them. He deliberately played their passes a little further into their path, urging them forward, and offered himself up for one-twos. If it was too slow for him, he would send his teammate one way with the ball and another in a running challenge into the strikers – forcing extra space in a different way.

    But, Di Stéfano was not only outstanding at commanding the passing game. He also had the useful ability to not always have to tear the game up himself, but also be passive and supportive. At the same time, he showed some interesting actions in his spatial movement, using spin moves, where according to his own passing game or an action from his team in midfield he ran behind, thereby opening himself up for a diagonal pass with a shifting effect. To do so he used arced runs, i.e. lateral movement with a circular run into the resulting hole – and vertical sprints into the strikers. Di Stefano dominated with evasive runs on the wing, breaking through along the side of the field or making diagonal runs into the half-space, cutting through very narrow spaces with extremely dynamic combinations or functioning as a needle player in the tightest areas in the middle and final thirds of the field.

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    Real Madrid 1958

    He garnished these moves again and again with sudden, explosive runs towards goal. These deep sprints in the final third were possibly the key feature of his style of play; he either opened the middle of the field for other players and the midfielders to move up or he could be played into the hole. He was particularly good at finding space for himself with his runs, possessing a great feeling for the next move. When he moved up, he rarely did so too early or at the wrong time, carefully choosing the right moment with meaning and purpose.

    “Alfredo Di Stéfano was the greatest footballer of all time; much better even than Pelé. He was, simultaneously, the anchor on the defensive, the playmaker in midfield and the most dangerous sniper in the attack “ – Helenio Herrera

    This flexibility in his movements caused several tactical problems for his opponents at the time, both psychologically and mentally; what would Di Stéfano do? Dictate the game from deep? Or open up space for the runs of Zárraga or fall back to the other striker? Will he break through on the wing or run at us from deep? Is he working the back post or the top of the penalty area after wing attacks or is he playing as a safeguard, at the same time opening space but also supporting attacks further away from the penalty area?

    This unpredictability, in conjunction with his game intelligence and his individual skills, made for an extraordinary clout in the penalty area, where he also combined many different aspects. The space interpretive deep and diagonal sprints from Thomas Müller, the killer instinct for rebounds, bad passes, or small holes in the penalty area of Gerd Müller, a sudden presence after previously disappearing from the game a la Karim Benzema or sometimes a Messi-esque occupation of the penalty area zones, all in one man – have fun defending a player like that.

    23 minutes: A cross from Paco Gento into the left side of the box. Di Stéfano is in the penalty area but surrounded by two players, one of the defenders clears it. But at the top of the 18 yard box del Sol gets the ball. He plays it square to Canário who passes it from the right with the outside of his boot. Goalkeeper Egon Loy can not hold the ball and Di Stéfano is in the right spot! Like a gazelle, he jumps in front of defender Friedel Lutz and kicks up a cloud of dust, Hans-Walter Eigenbrodt can not prevent the goal. 2-1 to Real Madrid and a classic goal by Alfredo Di Stéfano – ice cold and with the right nose for goal.

    216 goals in 286 games from ages 27-38, at that time the highest level (his time at Real Madrid), all while playing like a box-to-box eight, speaks for itself.


    And along the way he also helped out defensively:

    27 minutes: a bad pass by Luis del Sol, Frankfurt counters. Di Stéfano is the right center forward near the ball, but can not intervene, so he immediately rushes back. Frankfurt switch the game from the middle to the left wing with an expansive pass. Marquitos must move out of his half-back position to press right winger, Erich Meier. The quickly retreating Di Stéfano meanwhile occupies Marquitos’ vacated position. Thus, Marquitos is protected and can provoke Meier into losing the ball. Frankfurt receives the ball again after a loose ball in midfield and beats him well behind the resulting hole, but there is no one there. Santa Maria and the Frankfurt striker run together behind the ball as it goes out of play.

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    Real Madrid 1959

    In the Champion Clubs’ Cup final against Benfica in 1962, at the tender age of 36, Di Stéfano sprinted the entire length of the field from his center forward position and intercepted a cross at the back post, playing as a sweeper in his own half. Generally, Di Stéfano displayed his outstanding game intelligence and athleticism off the ball. When playing behind the strikers he sought supporting positions in the (then, of course, unstructured) pressing, put the opponent under pressure very dynamically with his physical presence, blocked passes in the middle of his large Aktionradius and remained intelligently ball-oriented.

    In defensive transitions he tracked back with extreme presence and covered a lot of ground. He deftly moved between the rare short breaks, where he didn’t help, to very aggressively pressing his opponent, to a rather space-oriented backwards pressing to support his teammate and simply positioning himself deeper to maintain compactness and security. The stamina and athleticism he displayed was ahead of his time. Di Stefano was outstanding in interpreting the potential dynamics and underlying structures, anticipating intercepting neither the opponent’s first or second pass, but – as in the Benfica scene – the last pass near the penalty area.

    The stamina and athleticism he showed here was ahead of his time. Di Stéfano was outstanding in interpreting the potential dynamics and the underlying structures, was anticipatory and did not intercept the first or second pass from the enemy, but – as in the example against Benfica – often only in space near the penalty area. He even brought a great robustness and dynamism when tackling that would have served to honor even a defensively strong full-back.

    But Don Alfredo was not only tactically outstanding on a group and team level; he also happened to play football.

    Tactical individuality and playful features

    The corrective ball control has already been mentioned; but in addition to the many small changes in his field of view, Di Stéfano could draw an additional strength from his movement dynamics and also the direction of his runs: he delayed gaining space via his runs. He extended his path through almost a zigzag-like pattern and provoked the opponent into an action, but could then react immediately. Putting either a tight hook in the zigzag pattern and running around his opponent, who then had a very uncomfortable position from which to track, or breaking out of the pattern and starting a sprint forwards. Together with his great ball and combination play he emerged from dangerous shorthanded situations and opened spaces very efficiently.

    Generally, Di Stéfano used the many decision-making problems of his opponent to put himself in a better situation; not only positionally, but psychologically. A standard Di Stefano trick was to incorrectly open and position himself to the opponent. This means that he actually stood next to an opponent and did not (immediately) run into the open space, but stopped the ball in the direction of the enemy and with his body twisted away from him. The enemy would then take the bait, of course, and Di Stéfano would immediately correct his supposedly incorrect position, pull the ball towards the open space and only then begin his sprint.

    The effectiveness of this delay: via this opening, to attract an opponent and only then start coming into the space, allowed Di Stéfano to control the tackling behavior of his opponent. If Di Stéfano immediately ran up top, then his opponent would normally have to run after him from a side-on position before he could go diagonally to the ball (which is more effective), and thus blocks an entire direction; Di Stéfano could then not go to the left or right side, at least not in one motion. By baiting the opponent forward his path is not diagonal to Di Stéfano, but behind him. Di Stéfano now has many options in all directions, the opponent must attack him from behind, where Di Stéfano can block his path and/or extend his run or simply draw a foul.

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    Often he avoided this “trick” and duplication; the deeper standing player wouldn’t move forward because the distance to Di Stéfano was still great. Di Stéfano played off the opponent, turning forward, and could therefore go for a relatively simple 1-v-1 two consecutive times (once by the movement of the opponent, the other through his speed advantage), rather than in a difficult 2-v-1, in which he would be missing a part of his movement options. But of course he decided, based on the distance to the second opponent, which option was best.

    In general, Di Stefano presented many such allegedly faulty and risky positions, which caused tactical and psychological problems for opponents: Leave position? Press? Wait and see?

    36 minutes: Now the Madridistas conjure the white ballet dance! José María Zárraga kicks from the right wing in his own half a precise diagonal ball to the left wing, at about the level of the center line. Paco Gento stops the ball first going forward, Richard Kress sprints diagonally backwards from the half position, but Gento sees him and stops the ball backwards. He then tries a through ball via a rabona, twisting the left foot behind his right standing leg, and passes to Di Stéfano. This lets him drop off the nearly half-height ball right back to the left while looking to the right. José María Vidal receives the ball, goes with him briefly to the right and plays across a short pass to del Sol. By an outside of the boot pass he conveys it directly diagonally backwards outside his field of view, where he – perfectly timed – has moved towards Di Stéfano. He starts moving from the center toward the right offensive half-space, allowing the ball to rebound from his right foot to his left in his run against the opponent, thereby changing his pace. He then immediately prances with both feet on his run over the ball. The defender tries to cut him off but is denied and Di Stefano plays the ball backwards. Afterwards there is a back-pass and renewed search for a better buildup – but: gorgeous circulation! Somewhere in the stands a boy named Alex cries with joy.

    If the opponent chose the active variant, Di Stéfano often used drag-backs, letting the opponents chase the ball and turning around his own axis into the resulting open space or made tight hooks to swirl around the opponent. These very tight hooks and pulling movements with the ball were then often followed by long-range actions: passes into open spaces, fast sprints and dribbles, and switched balls. In addition, Di Stéfano almost perfectly held the distance to the opponent, where his drags and hooks worked tremendously well against the approaching opponents.

    If, however, the opponent remained passive, Di Stéfano used the space. Besides his previously mentioned ability to control the game’s rhythm and his demanding, playmaking passing game, Di Stéfano was also a very strong dribbler and a very dynamic player, but was in some ways surprisingly unaesthetic and inelegant. So he sought, if necessary, the direct fast action when he was pressed or when the situation called for the fastest possible action.

    For example, he would execute a step over forwards, a direct twist, but no subsequent interim step, yet pull off a difficult pass from an unpleasant position in the resulting dynamics. Even when receiving the ball on the right, he often played direct, inelegant passes with the left directly forward, letting the physical position affect the pass unaesthetically; But Di Stefano’s technique allowed for a high success rate (in my opinion) in these scruffy actions.

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    Alternatively, Di Stéfano moved into the free space if no direct action was needed. In his dribbling, Di Stéfano used a number of different aspects: for example, the Gambetta, which was explained in the in-depth analysis of his compatriot Lionel Messi. When Gambetta body deceptions are used, especially upper body movements, the goal is to change the balance and the position of the enemy and to respond to these reactions by taking advantage of the resulting space. Di Stéfano was not as fine as Messi or Diego Maradona; his movements with the upper body were far reaching, but not quite as precise and in his senior years – which comes from the sparse video material available – lacked some of the acceleration of the two magic gnomes. In a way, he had almost funny-looking upper body movements, where he went along with his legs and waited for the reaction of the opponent; a kind of hectic “Fidgety Gambetta” you might say.

    72 minutes: What a game! A minute ago, Ferenc Puskas made it 6:1 with his fourth goal, right after Erwin Stein makes it 6:2. So now it’s back on offense, this time for Madrid. The three star strikers of Real are at the kick-off point, Gento right next to it. Puskas plays to del Sol, who passes to Di Stéfano. Di Stéfano is attacked, plays the ball square to Gento. Gento on the ball, he rises, twists back and plays to del Sol, who can again bounce it to Di Stéfano, who has moved well forward. Immediately Di Stéfano moves forward, Frankfurt’s defense is much too deep and lacks compactness. Puskas gives depth, but he actually does only one thing: he watches as Di Stéfano dashes forward with the ball at his feet, with a lot of space pushes into the penalty area and skillfully strikes the ball into the right corner. From the kick-off point with a few passes and a di Stéfano run it’s 7:2 for Real Madrid in a crazy game!

    Therefore, Di Stéfano probably took his few fine movements, his larger body and leg length (in relation to the opponents), and expanded his arsenal at dribbling. He had an almost clumsy step-over, but from the outside to the inside rather than the inside to the outside that he would string together several times in his run. He protected the ball so that he could move it away from the opponent with the outside of his boot and dodge attacks. But sometimes he did not go to the outside via these inverse stepovers, but inward or without a stepover; usually with tight hooks diagonally past the enemy, barely losing speed, and thus it seemed to the enemy as if he was loaded by a shot – even though it was “only” the abrupt change of direction in the run.

    Furthermore, Di Stéfano moved up not only from the side of the ball, but also vertically. If the the opponent remained standing or guessed wrong, Di Stéfano went past him. If the opponent responded better or cut him off, then Di Stéfano presented a step-over motion but brought the ball back, turned around or continued his run sideways. In addition, he switched feet while carrying the ball and used “impact-croquetas.”. The “croqueta” is the change of foot (usually in slow running), where the ball rebounds from one foot to the other, and the opponent is dodged. Di Stéfano does this also, but in his version he played with the ball moving from his front foot to his back foot and then knocked it directly forward. Opponents then hesitated, while Di Stéfano just kept running normally. Di Stéfano also did this when he stopped the ball with his sole and retreated, then curved around the opponent or simply changed direction.

    But, Di Stéfano did not always infiltrate the open space given to him; which is another difference between him and Messi and Maradona, who have an instinctive urge to do so. Di Stéfano did not always sprint into a gap or at the opponent, but often played – even for rhythm reasons – with restraint. In this case, the already mentioned good distance holding of the opponent was combined with the rhythm delays; as Di Stéfano faked actions, for example, raising the foot as if to pass, pointing to a certain direction and stopping the opponent leaving position to press him very early on. Then he could wait a moment longer before he decided on an action or a run. Sometimes he even held his foot up, suggesting several actions, or simply paused and took up further precious seconds.

    In addition to these dribbling skills, Di Stéfano was spectacular in the passing game: single no-look passes, difficult layoffs, many backheel passes outside his field of view in all directions or passing forward with the instep behind his standing leg. He could even handle difficult high balls or pass with his heels. Furthermore, he could play inch-perfect layoff passes past the opponent or dynamic lobs, often with the inner part of the metatarsal bone rather than from bottom to top with the toes, in his repertoire; as well as many outside of the foot passes, even over long distances, despite being a two-footed player. However, the outside of the boot passes were not the spectacle, but how were they were chosen in each situation, which spin was needed, how fast the ball was played and where the ball was played.

    “I was right footed, so my father did not let me play until I could play with my left foot” – Alfredo Di Stéfano.

    Conclusion: Ballet dancer, conductor of the orchestra, sniper in the penalty area

    This analysis is ultimately about creating a tribute, in the shadow of the World Cup, to one of the greatest players of all time, who unfortunately passed away recently. In keeping with the World Cup, he is perhaps the greatest player who never won a world championship; but he was not only the face of the European Cup and Real Madrid, but modern football.

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    To date, Di Stefano is an ideal and will be forever. He is the total footballer, the benchmark of completeness, and almost every possible definition of this vague term. He could briefly hold all outfield positions, stand out in every position, had an impressive tactical intelligence and tremendous individual skills. Even his heading ability was impressively pronounced. He could stop balls in free space if they were available, pass the ball accurately or generate great force in the shot with his head. In addition, he was bigger than life itself as a personality; as the English say.

    Off the field he was always seen as an icon at Real, fetched some Cup wins as a coach, including the Cup Winners’ Cup in 1980 and three championships, among other things, with Valencia in 1971, where he was considered one of the foremost pioneers of pressing. On the field, his charisma was impressive. Di Stéfano had an impressive mix of dynamism and a certain inertia, which is really best described with my favorite word “languidness”; a certain flair that lacked aesthetics, but had its own elegance, evidenced by the many wait-and see aspects in his game. In his litheness he resembled Zinedine Zidane, yet, had significantly more presence, more strategy in his facility, and completeness in his implementation.

    To this end, his outstanding rhythm control and strategic decision-making was coupled with his presence all over the field. To underline his completeness: only Di Stéfano combines all three of my own personally defined talent types . He was incredibly smart, incredibly talented and incredibly active, which made him unbelievable. A “leader of men”, a commander on the field, he gave his teammates orders with his body language, gestures and facial expressions, his words, but also his passes, his decisions and runs.

    85 minutes: The tireless Di Stéfano lets the ball the goalkeeper thrown from his own penalty area. The Frankfurt striker, Stein, presses backwards on him, but Di Stéfano anticipates well and plays diagonally forward, del Sol rebounding the ball back. The half-left Zárraga lays the ball square back to Di Stéfano, who is pressed again, but able to lob the ball into the path of Vidal. He heads it back to Zárraga who moves forward with the ball. But stop, what is Di Stefano doing there? He offered himself previously for Vidal, then ran around Zárraga and into Zárraga’s path. Di Stéfano indicates to Zárraga to go away and takes away the ball! Obviously, the real star, in the closing stages when the score was 7:3, was not fast enough. He immediately moved the ball to the left, forcing Gento forward with a pass into his path. Gento passed to Puskas, but Frankfurt’s Eigenbrodt cleared the ball into touch.

    Of course, this can lead to problems. It would not surprise me, for example, if the well-known dispute between the great Didi and the great Di Stéfano was that their respective playful greatness had a negative impact on the group’s tactical synergies, which in turn were responsible for psychological problems and in-fighting. Just imagine the reactions of the two, if Didi were to shoo the retreating Di Stéfano away, while Di Stefano ignored him and took the ball away from him. Nevertheless, Di Stéfano was by no means a General or an egoist, but was looking for the best option for the team in his own way; who could arrange themselves, and benefit from it. Di Stefanos dribbling, his ball distribution, his seeking of one-two passes and his demanding passing game were always positive with respect to the big picture.

    The best example is Ferenc Puskás. These “major” problems with Di Stéfano were predicted, but the opposite was true. Puskás facilitated Di Stéfano’s offensive work, played surprisingly goal-oriented in his combination movements, brought depth to the game and acted as an enormously powerful passing option up front, who could play technically advanced layoffs, dangerous shots from overloads, or switch the ball to the strong side. In many cases, Madrid then played in a clearer 3-2-4-1/3-2-2-3 formation, which helped Puskás – in those years rather round on the edges, not only with a big belly, but also with thick knees and ankles – extend his career. The contradiction of Di Stefano’s putative egoism with his success and the reverence of almost all of his teammates shines light on these two personalities – Puskás and Didi – making their dispute relatively easy to dismiss.

    Another difficult question to answer: How did Di Stefano become who he was? Was it the positive influence of Adolfo Pedernera, with whom he once played at River Plate? Was it the result of his talent and his character, in conjunction with contextual factors of the opponent and trainer requirements, which made him this incomparable player? Were there more players like Di Stéfano and Pedernera back then, while today it’s simply not possible to play like that? After all, Valentino Mazzola and years later, Johan Cruijff are still similar players.

    What is important is the consideration of the development of Di Stefano’s player type throughout his career. At La Maquina, according to the reports and research results at least, he acted goal-oriented in his movements, and generally focused on the last third of the field, but was not particularly defensive or quite as involved in the deeper buildup game as he was years later. His prime has also been lost: it is said that at Millonarios in Colombia he was even more powerful, dynamic, and had a greater presence than later at Real. Video sources to substantiate this, however, are missing.

    But they are unnecessary. Alfredo Di Stéfano was great. He was an outstanding football player who should serve as a model for many players today: disciplined, ambitious, individually outstanding, but also a player who made the collective stronger. Di Stéfano was not only the first “total” football player, but is to this day the total soccer player par excellence.

    “Alfredo Di Stéfano had a peak Goal Impact of 189. An incredible value at that time. Still the seventh highest peak Goal Impact of All Time “. – Jörg Seidel of Goal Impact, the Bobby Fischer of football and the Goal Impact metric (only one player from the 90s had a higher number than Di Stéfano, his teammate Francisco Gento).
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    Please check the quote above if you have the time. I know it is pretty long but IMO well worth the read.

    Di Stefano at Real played with a lot of players in front of him. Having the space and other players to get the opposition off him was basically his game, as he loved to drop deep and dictate from deep.

    He always had 2 players on the side - Amancio and Gento and two in front of him - Puskas and del Sol or Rial and Mateos.

    His position is not set, especially in modern formation as Real at the time usually played with 5 up front, but in a 4-2-3-1 IMO that would be the closest position for him to fill on the pitch and the position he'd be most influential as well.

    In a 4-4-2 is another matter, but with two complete players in Zico and Kalle, who are also on the same wavelength, he'll thrive in attack but also control the game without a dominant deep playmaker.
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    That formation pic :drool:
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    I have a lot of love for Schuster-Alves flank, but I can't see past Enigma's team, I even like Di Stefano's role here, which I thought would be a big discussion point.
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    cheers mate, to be honest yours has always been my inspiration. :lol:


    Thanks. I actually don't mind discussing Di Stefano's role in length as IMO he's the GOAT that featured a lot less in those drafts compared to the usual suspects.
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    I can imagine during the tactics preparations, Enigma itching to get Zico in and fighting hard against himself to somehow make it seem the better decision.
    Without a designated DM in P-nut's team, I am not a fan of AdS in this setup where he would have way too many mobile bodies to dominate. The 3 on P-nut's side are exactly the kind of players you would want against a midfield which in the goodest way possible reeks of arrogance. Again, not in a negative way.

    One has to remember Ads's defensive effort didn't come from high energy closing down or tackling but from being the towering figure almost everywhere. Will that work in such a game? That has to be up for debate.

    P-nut's only chance of winning this game is edging the midfield battle. Ironically, If Ballack was played, I don't think he would have had too much of a chance. But this makes up for a great match up. Of course, Enigma is super lucky to have Iniesta in the mix there, so that just adds a bit more to the midfield battle. But then of course, you have Baresi as well. Boy this can open up quite well.
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    P-Nut seems perfectly set up to counter the 442 Enigma kept banging on about during the whole draft but then he switches up to a 4231

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    Arguably the most prettiest formation pic ever. One nil eat your heart out. Enigma looks very Spain 2012 .. is that the style you're going for?
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    Ouch low blow mate :mad:
    I do like the player pictures but I am not admitting that publicly now
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    It's Zico's fault tbh. I was pretty much set with Ballack in the center till round 12, but couldn't really pass on him already in the ranks.

    P-nut also posted his 5-3-2 in the main thread so as you mentioned 4-2-3-1 was much better :angel::angel:
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    Just pumping you up bud - don't let that fecker take your crown.
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    Iniesta's role is pretty close to that Spain 2012. The defensive line and Rijkaard holding are pretty comparable as well but up front there are some differences.

    Probably it would be pretty close if Villa didn't get injured before the tournament as with him instead of Fabregas(as good as he was at that tournament) would've taken them to another level (if that's even possible).

    The right flank Figo is there in his natural role as a provider and to stretch up the play on the right and also one shouldn't underestimate Zico in the advanced midfield role.

    But glad you asked that question as I've prepared something again for Iniesta's role (thought it would be also major talking point).:D

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    On a side note and fully to explain Iniesta's role(and also that left flank and Di Stefano advancing):


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    Di Stefano attacking the space on the left (#10), Iniesta (#11) tucking in.

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    Cole stretching up in attack (#3), Iniesta moving inside to provide Di Stefano with option.

    (#9) Rummenigge dropping to open up space and (#7) Zico providing another attacking option centrally.
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    Imagine being the first guy to break the usual site graphics and reading this
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    I knew he wouldn’t play 442 once he picked up Zico.

    The major problem for either of the formations is Villa to be honest.

    Rijkaard will be needed to battle in midfield along with Di Stefano, that allows Villa plenty of pockets to pick the ball up in. With Iniesta especially having a tough job tracking Alves back, and whilst Figo is much more used to working hard on the flank, tracking a Roberto Carlos with the security of having 3 cbs behind him would be a tough ask in transitions.
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    This is what is going to cause you problems though...

    Rihkaard who would be #8 is left exposed to the counter each time this happens. There is a massive gaping hole in the centre of the field and that is the area my team is at its strongest.

    I understand Iniesta will be dropping in there to support but he’s no match for any of the 3 cms when it comes to tracking breaking runs.
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    Love Villa personally, he's a great, complete striker, probably Spain's best tbh, but here he's well covered IMO. I trust Ayala to take care of Klose, matching him both in the air and on the deck. I'll have the free full back and Campbell matching him both physically and in terms of pace when attacking through the center of the full back picking him up when defending.

    In the defensive phase obviously Di Stefano will drop back to keep the shape so there won't be open gaps in the center. We have pacy players at both ends and capable of putting a shift in and in transition.
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    Yeah mate, it has tons of content and really useful stuff as well as in depth analysis.
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    1. Klose is clinical when asked to perform the poachers role as is well documented. Leaving him 1v1 is a guarantee that he will get chances which I’d back him to take.

    2. That would be well and good if I was playing a patient game that allowed him to drop back in whilst I rotated the ball around my midfielders. I’m expecting to win the ball back and either play out wide to a wing back advancing up the pitch or play into one of the cms who would travel with the ball. That would lead to Stefano being caught up field quite often if Iniesta is tucking inside to cover him.

    Take your graphic above. If Di Stefano gets robbed of the ball wide (my right/ your left) a simple ball into any if the mids now leaves Iniesta and Rijkaard vs Schuster, Vidal and Schweinsteiger. That is accounting for leaving Villa and Klose to Sol and Ayala which I’ve already commented on the problems of. It’s a mismatch and a big one.
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    Well in a deep defensive line obviously you have to have players behind the ball. If Di Stefano is dispossessed I should still have more numbers of the back with 2 CB's in reserved role, Iniesta tucked in and Rijkaard to intercept from that side.

    Ayala is a pretty good match for Klose. He's as fast as him, can jump even higher and is pretty strong into tackle.
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    A lot of Klose's big goals were either opportunistic or came from poor positioning of defenders. Sol is underrated in how good his positioning was and Klose can't out muscle him so I personally see Klose being a non-factor in this match. Even with those attacking Brazilian wing backs I think your tactic against Enigma needed a different type of forward than Klose someone more mobile and better at one-twos with Villa.
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    I agree he’s best in a poacher role which is exactly what he’ll be performing here. Also it is Ayala who will be marking him as Sol is tasked with following Vila around the pitch.
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    Yeah if your deep wide it would be Alves picking Stefano up either the back 3 positioned in the box and my cms patrolling the edge for pull backs or runners from deep when the crosses come in. That puts them in prime position to break when we turn the ball over.

    Whilst I agree Ayala is a good match there is no single defender that will single handedly mark a striker with predatory instincts out of the game totally.
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    Actually, what holds me back is that combo, particularly on the side with ADS and Iniesta shifting around. I would have played Rijkaard there myself with Zico ahead in his preferred inside left position. As it is Rijkaard is engaging in a dick-swinging contest with Vidal, who is never going to make anywhere near as much damage but certainly is combative enough to keep Rijkaard engaged on that front instead of where he is most needed. You sort of lose the delta from Rijkaard by assigning him a less crucial job than he is capable of.
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    Who is picking up Zico tho since you are not playing with an actual DM? Zico with space around the box would guarantee goals.
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    Yeah actually I considered that for the particular matchup but the Di Stefano/Iniesta interchanging and Cole overlapping was a too good to turn down in terms of mechanics and being easy to visualize given the three of them could easily fill that role instinctively to a tee.

    Besides I'm pretty sure all of P-nut CM's will be behind the ball (going by the graphic and mechanics) and Rijkaard will be better in a zonal role to intercept the threat on counter rather than covering role on the left.

    Of course if needed and if P-nut attacks from the right he'll move in to intercept.

    P-nut I imagine you are using the Chile version of Vidal when played as a LCM not the Juve one?
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    Depends on where Villa goes of course. If Villa moves centrally he'll be intercepted zonally by Campbell (assuming he'll attack on the right and given Sol is left on my formation), if he drops deep in the midfield, he'll be picked by midfielder zonally or full back(again depending where he goes).

    If you are using Villa to drop deep and participate in the build up actively I suppose Klose will be between my CB's