Ducker: Jose Mourinho ensures Sir Alex Ferguson influence endures at Manchester United

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    No coincidence that since Fergie has been back around the club it's started to rise again.

    Not saying it's "BECAUSE" of Fergie, but he definitely is a living legend and earns respect. Just seeing him walking around the training ground would make players give that extra 10% he always got out of people.

    I like to think that Jose is using Fergie as a motivational presence, having him around the squad is a good thing IMO.

    The fact LVG and Moyes wanted as little contact with him as possible showed they feared his power, Jose doesn't.
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    It's like in the movies. Young kinds are used to being driven by the funny old man but when the time comes he reveals himself as the greatest manager in the history of the game (basically Yoda/Obi-Wan scenario)
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    I think Mourinho will have a few classic insults directed at Wenger that even Fergie cant touch -- 'Voyeur' and 'Specialist in Failure'. Those two soundbites are good enough for any conversation starters!
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    Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football

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    Cause we've 1) started winning and 2) playing good football
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    Which seems to me that it was some sort of residual bitterness at that time towards Fergie over what was deemed as his fault in appointing Moyes more than anything else.
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    Reminded me of the video of that manager getting hit the other week :lol:

    Romero is pretty good at catching them. He dropped a few though, rumour is that it happened against Everton.
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    I have to say that Mourinho's respect for SAF is fantastic. I've generally found it hard to warm to him since hating him at Porto and Chelsea but the fact that he has kept SAF involved and not been threatened by his presence really warms my cockles.
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    I still can't believe he actually said Wenger was a specialist in failure :lol:
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    Touché.

    Couldn't believe I actually had the chance to make that joke.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Mine too. Although tbf his respect for SAF was obvious long before he took the reins at United. It was pretty much his only redeeming quality as far as I was concerned!
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    I was not really bashing LVG although you probably read too much into what I said which is fair enough. I was not a big fan of LVG but he has been very classy since he left us and I respect for him for that.
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    Say what you may, Jose has become a calming influence at our club. Looking at him every time only reminds of the times when SAF stood on the sidelines and yelled direction at players. Jose is definitely not intimidated by SAF, he only thinks that SAF can add to the legacy by always remaining as part of the club. Nobody, i mean nobody including Ed Woodward has the rights to stop Fergie from being close to the club. For Heaven's sake he has a stand named after himself and built a legacy here. He managed United for 26 years and brought loads of singled out glorious moments during his time. I bet everyone good fan will have his favourite United moment under SAF and it will not be the same with everyone. Even the smaller games had so much passion and character in them. He respected every opponent and played fair on the field.
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    I think Pog himself has said that he left because of his want of games and he still rates SAF as the best manager. I doubt SAF and Rooney have any problems either
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    Smart move by Jose & Uniteds press officers.
    It sends out a message of unity within the club . It also suggests Saf likes what he sees & therefore makes it difficult for the media to stir trouble in the future by suggesting otherwise.


    Its great to see . The 2 men have a lot in common and an obvious respect for each other.
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    Which game did he go to in the coach with the team?
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    Might be different posters who are saying two different things.

    But I think it works for Mourinho because unlike Van Gaal, there is a history of mutual respect between the latter and Ferguson, I guess.

    Who knows?
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    Mourinho wants to emulate Ferguson and build a dynasty here so he's fine with him sticking around. If he was only here for the short term then he might not want the pressure of Sir Alex being so close to things.
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    It wasn't long ago that quite a few people thought we should keep Fergie as far away from the team a possible. I just don't see how him being around woukd be anything other than positive.
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    Poor Fergie, doesn't have money even for train these days.
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    In his book "Leading", SAF had admitted he and the club looked at a host of other options before opting for Moyes, it included Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho, Klopp, Van Gaal and Carlo Ancelotti. David Moyes was appointed Manchester United manager after "several very desirable candidates were unavailable", Moyes was no higher than sixth choice in the list to succeed SAF and only secured the job as more preferable candidates were ruled out. And if you look closer, you find Mourinho was the only one among these candidates appearing in SAF first book "My Autobiography" as SAF spent a whole chapter for him (Chapter XII: The "Special" Rival). It showed full of respect from SAF towards Mourinho, if Moyes is The chosen one then Jose must be The "Special" chosen one in SAF's mind.

    Then when Chelsea struggled last year, SAF insisted the Blues would be mad to sack Mourinho, despite a nightmare start to the season that had left them just two points off the relegation places. After that Mourinho had thanked SAF for his public support, branding him a true friend. In the other view, not like anyone else, SAF once revealed that Mourinho had always called him “boss” and “big man” everytime they had their post-match drink.


    Mourinho and SAF had always enjoyed a close friendship, even when at rival teams, so there is nothing can stop them from being happy together once they have already wearing same shirt color

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    When people say Van Gaal curtailed SAF's involvement at the club, is it based on some facts or just pure conjecture? Coz, I can't remember reading/hearing anything to that effect before.
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    How has nobody photoshopped Fergie driving the team bus yet? FFS. You guys are slipping.
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    I can imagine that there was a reluctance to have him involved with / around the team immediately after retiring (akin to the shadow of Busby looming over subsequent managers). Now that we appear to be in the hands of a competent manager who knows what he is doing and getting the best out of the majority of the squad, SAF wont be a destabilizing figure.
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    Love it. I bet Rooney sits at the back of the bus where Fergie can't see him.
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    Very good analysis. Fergie's decision to retire might also come late of the season, thus United acted late to secure top managers. Or maybe United were still hoping for Fergie to change his mind again until he's sure. I can also see Fergie would go for another season, if United didn't win the league on that time.
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    A lot of what Sir Alex claimed about his successor in 'Leading' is spin. The whole line about Van Gaal being a candidate, for example, was clearly conditioned by the fact the book came out when Van Gaal was United manager. Paul Hayward, who has ghost written a lot of Sir Alex's stuff, was one of Moyes' biggest cheerleaders as our manager.

    Rob Beasley, who used to be Mourinho's guy in the press, said Mourinho thought he was getting the United job in 2013. Check out his interview with BBC Red Wednesday (link) specifically 8 mins 10 secs in. Beasley did not go as far as Diego Torres, who claimed Mourinho cried after Moyes was picked to follow Sir Alex instead of him. Torres was less friendly to Mourinho though, so he probably didn't mind putting in the perhaps embarrassing detail.

    Sir Alex may like Mourinho, its hard to believe he likes him that much. If he did Mourinho would've arrived three seasons ago.
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    Had a little time and since there was SOME, ok - a little, demand...

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    Oops. Just realised I can't post pictures. Don't wan't to break them rules so, please, make do what you will with the SAF Bus Driver picture.
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    I think Jose has never had a more comfortable job than this in his career other than Porto. At Chelsea he always had Roman Abramovchi looking over his shoulders, at Inter the board and finance problems and at Real the notorious presidents and thier comical off field influences.

    I get the feeling here that the owners have basically said its your club, you run it how you want, bring us success and we wont meddle. I think it brings a much more relaxed amotosphere and he knows he is top dog but as a decent human being, he repsects Fergie and everything he has done.

    I remember way back in his 'The Special One' Chelsea days he would always refer to SAF as the boss and simply explained it as becuase he is THE BOSS and that after a game he would share an expensive bottle of wine with him.
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    Nah, Moratti gave him complete backing and an open cheque book. He only really left because 'you can't say No to Madrid', plus RM paid off the rest of his contract with Inter. Agreed with everything else though.
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    The club needed time away from SAF and vice versa after his retirement. That's a normal process. Would not have benefited anyone, and probably severly unfair to Moyes at the time, to have SAF still around all the time.

    It's appropriate now that some time has passed for him to get closer again. And when you have a HC like Jose, it's not a problem, because he's strong enough and accomplished enough not to be threatened by SAF's presence.
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    Mourinho didn't fit the profile of manager that Ferguson and the board wanted in 2013.
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    And yet Ferguson's response, when asked why Mourinho wasn't approached in 2013 was - 'he had agreed to go back to Chelsea.'

    Though nothing was signed with Chelsea. Mourinho was desperate to be Manchester United manager, returning to Chelsea was mere convenience for his family.

    I'd wager somebody at Manchester United shafted Mourinho in 2013. Be it Ferguson, outgoing-Gill or more than one member of the board / non-exec board. Somebody lost their nerve and feared Mourinho's baggage.

    I doubt we'll ever know the truth. But it's in the past and Jose is finally here.
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    Maybe SBC was against Mourinho, but personally i don't think he was ever in the running. I think they wanted Moyes first.
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    Ferguson certainly didn't. He's since confirmed several managers were considered - Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Van Gaal - but all were 'unavailable' at the time.

    Mourinho claimed to have known about Fergusons retirement several months before it was made public - if that was the case, he'd of made himself available.
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    I really don't want to get into this conversation again mate honestly because i've had it several times on here now and this isn't the thread for it, so this is all i'll say on it.

    I don't believe that for a second, Fergusons pride got the better of him and he was backtracking and telling porkies with that stuff in my opinion. I have my reasons for believing that, mostly because none of the managers named have ever confirmed they received an offer. And with the main one Ferguson admitted he didn't even know he was retiring during the infamous meeting with Guardiola.

    Maybe he did, Ferguson might have told him. I think Wenger says he knew also. But if i remember correctly Ferguson only told the club in March he was retiring, so they probably found out around the same time.
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    The story about Mourinho being unavailable is hard to believe. Fergie said he decided to retire around Christmas 2012 and was telling Moyes not to renew at Everton in Feb 2013 as it would make it harder to get him for United (this is in his autobiography).

    Rob Beasley who wrote that book on Mourinho with all those text messages and stuff in it from Mourinho and who Mourinho said used to be a close to him said that he met Mourinho in January 2013 and he had him write an article saying he would be interested in the Chelsea job. He also said Mourinho was offered the PSG and City job in 2013.

    To me it seems pretty obvious that Mourinho was available but we decided to go for Moyes instead. Fergie saying he was unavailable is just him backtracking on picking an absolute disaster of a manager. Why would you offer 6th choice manager a 6 year contract! It's madness
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    And let Jose park it :drool:
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    I agree, it's water under the bridge.

    But for the record, both Klopp and Ancelotti have publically confirmed they were approached about the vacancy.