Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by SAred, Aug 10, 2018.
I'm in the Ed camp over this transfer window.
Jose and Edward need to work together.
A Jedward if you may.
Definitely the Equalizer.
I agree with pretty much everything Ed said in his brief to the press.
But that is quite problematic for us.
Anyone siding with a CEO over one of the greatest managers need to give their head a wobble.
Neither are my cup of tea.
This must be really tough period for you.
He is not one of our greatest managers that's for sure.
If I was Jose, and the press story is true, I would have walked before this evening's game.
i.e., Ed should fall on his sword over this.
But seems rather off topic in this thread as we’re talking about Mourinho.
Agree mostly with what was briefed to the press, but it should have been communicated clearly to Mourinho when he gave the list to Ed. If it wasn't communicated and Mourinho thought that things are rosey than Ed is to be blamed and potentially replaced. If it was communicated but Mourinho thought that the way to go forward is to blame Ed and put pressure via media, then Mourinho needs to be sacked.
The only way for this to work is if the coach works together with CEO which in our case has also hired himself as DoF. If they start blaming each other, no way this will end well for us.
Feck Ed. Shambolic leadership, it really is. Why not agree on alternative targets instead of wasting everyone's time? Or fire Jose if he's so out of touch with your vision for the club? Boggles the mind.
Though I wish Mourinho would plan better for the future as well. Perisic, Willian and the likes are too old for my taste. I'd like to see us buy and make our own stars.
The 2006/2007 season is long gone of course, but christ it was exciting watching years of investing in youth finally blossom. Mourinho doesn't have time for that, sadly.
Just remember, if Mourinho fails then it means your club fails too..
And throw away almost £50m in wages?
Your head would need to be examined.
I prefer Ed's future vision of the club than Jose's. Simples.
In the short-term Mourinho has sapped all enjoyment out of watching United.
In the slightly longer term Mourinho will flip sooner or later and begin his orgy of destruction. We have to hope that Woodward will act quickly when that happens.
Either way I'll be happy when Mourinho is no longer associated to our great club.
How's this different from the Board vs Jose thread?
You shouldnt remove lol emotes
Not even a contest. We need a DOF. Not a marketing CEO.
Glazers need to go, imminently
Jose. Has his faults,but... Ed is a twat.
He is not one of our greatest managers though. He got his reputation at other clubs, until he does those things for us he won't get a hero status from most of us
Not a fan of either, but United definitely need a DOF to manage both of their conflicting viewpoints.
Start a poll.
I'm with Mourinho.
That's the paradox we're stuck in as a club yes. People want us to take a long term strategy and for example develop young player into stars, which takes time and requires stability, yet at the same time they create massive panic and instability and want the manager replaced with the new flavour of the month after every shite result.
I didn't like Mourinho's reported transfer targets.
However, it was Woodward who hired Mourinho, Woodward who failed to hire a DOF and Woodward who oversaw a disastrous transfer window (not his first either).
Whatever we may think of Mourinho, Woodward is and has been a longer term problem for the club.
Lord Ed is bigger than anyone else
I'll always back the coach over a fecking accountant/banker whatever Woodward is.
Even before this brief, there was a split in this place, it will get worse from now on.
I'm with Jose.
If Woodward didn't sit down with him in April and say: You have this amount of money, but we will only spend large chunks on players that fit THESE profiles...
Then he should be fired.
I refuse to believe that Jose would not have picked different players if they had to fit a certain type.
I endorse the Clubs stance. 100%. But it's been managed abysmally. That comes from the top down.
You can have a long term strategy without having the same manager. Real, Barca and Bayern are as stable as any club can be and they replace the manager every couple of weeks. Since Roman came, every person in the world has had a spell as Chelsea's manager, but that hasn't stopped them from winning more trophies than any club in England (and for the last 8 years or so the funds have been self-generated).
The manager is just an employee, not a God like figure.
Jose. During a hiring process I would guess Jose prepared some plan for a few years (like he mentioned himself) and I am pretty sure they discussed potential targets, what the squad needs, type of players we need etc. So it was all fine but now suddenly our CEO decides to veto the players Jose wants because they are not megastars or 'too old' and clearly briefs the media that the money is there but we just don't want to spend. What's that all about?
If you are not prepared to back the manager and I am sure he knows better what the team needs than Ed, then sack him and get someone who will be OK with whatever Ed buys. How can we expect to challenge City with a complete failure of a transfer window? I am pretty sure it will be Jose's last season but where do we go from there? Another manager who will need to bring his own type of players? Cycle will continue with Ed in charge.
Start a poll...
Bottom line is if they're not working together then something needs to change. The disharmony between them is amatuerish and the club deserves better.
My vote would be to move Woodward to a more commercial position and hire a Director of football strong enough to challenge Jose and good enough technically to find alternative targets together with the manager.
Neither Jose or Eds methods worked. I'd back the manager who has had previous success over Woodward who should be utilised differently.
But Ed has backed every manager and especially Jose in the transfer market up to now. So if LCFC wanted 80 million for Harry Bloody Maguire or Levy wanted crazy money for a player that does not want to sign for Spurs but Levy still wants his pound of flesh must Ed just say okay and cough it up while still have 5 CB on his books.
This. Ed isn't perfect but I can see what his vision is. The problem is he's hired 3 managers that don't fit into that.
Also agree. If you want back him up sack him and appoint the next shite in line with Moyes and LvG.
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