Ed Woodward 2018/19

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  1. Dec 5, 2018 at 17:17

    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    As United fans it’s got to the point where worrying about sustaining recent success over the long haul is the type of “worry” we can only dream of!
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    I was talking about the fecking league. If the FA cup could've saved managers then both Wenger and LVG would've still been in jobs.
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    endless_wheelies feeling dizzy

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    No, because your post was

    So together we can confirm that hey presto Kroenke has ruined the club, he only cares about top four and they’ll never compete with the other big clubs with him in charge etc etc etc. but they do now have a temporary sticky plaster to cover their deep rooted problems for a season or so. All their problems solved!
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Can I borrow your crystal ball when you're done with it?

    If not, I'll have to stick with focussing on the here and now. Where Arsenal have started a season in the sort of form that is absolutely fecking streets ahead of anything we've seen in the post-Fergie era.
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    From 0-2 down to 3-2 up before ending 3-3.
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    So he still didn't win, I can show you even more capitulations and not necessarily against the big clubs either.
  8. Dec 5, 2018 at 17:33

    endless_wheelies feeling dizzy

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42061044

    2017/2018
    1. Man City
    P 13 GD 34 Pts 37
    2. Man Utd
    P 14 GD 24 Pts 32



    2018-2019
    1 Man City
    P 15 GD 38 Pts 41
    2 Liverpool
    P 14 GD 22 Pts 36
    3 Chelsea
    P 14 GD 19 Pts 31
    4 Arsenal
    P 14 GD 14 Pts 30
  9. Dec 5, 2018 at 17:33

    el3mel Full Member

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    Yes 0-2 to 3-3 isn't comeback at all. You love arguing right ?
  10. Dec 5, 2018 at 17:40

    EwanI Ted Full Member

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    What elements of the surrounding structure are you alluding to?
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    Is this the same Wenger that took a team to Newcastle and squandered a 4-0 lead? I can give you many more examples. The problem with Wenger was that his teams were too soft and the game you mention was a exception not the norm.

    Emery is a better tactician than Wenger and he's already proved that with Sevilla. Currently he's getting much more out of the players than Wenger ever did, which is my point.
  12. Dec 5, 2018 at 17:49

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    I never said Arsenal didn't collapse several times under Wenger to give me examples. You claimed they never made comebacks, I brought videos, done ! Just admit you were wrong and move on, happens to the best of us!

    Anyway away from this point (which is done for) still results wise this is exactly a routine Wenger season, great start and and competing for top 4 only thanks to their spending budgets. Wenger's team usually collapsed in Feb by getting away from top of the league and crashing out of CL, but they always started and finished the season great, even when they missed on top 4 the season before last (and they can still miss on it this season too btw). Last season was the only example, when they were ultra shite the whole season.

    Anyone saying otherwise either has pretty short memories, talking on behalf of last season only or didn't even watch Wenger's Arsenal of the last decade. That's their routine season, we can talk when they're competing for the league again which will be the new thing.
  13. Dec 5, 2018 at 18:02

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    Moyes failed because he was completely out of his depth and has already peaked, LVG was just looking for one last pay day, was out of touch and again had already peaked. Mourinho has snapped at some poor earlier in his career and best days are long gone.

    None should have been employed, all were given plenty of backing and under achieved. All three managers have got away pretty lightly in terms of reactions, they have been given way more support than they would have got even at smaller less successful teams.

    Woodward shouldn’t be allowed to recruit the next manager and the structure could clearly be improved. But all three managers failed because they weren’t good enough and have been left behind in modern football.
  14. Dec 5, 2018 at 18:13

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    Your mistake was thinking @CA1 and @shamans can have nuanced opinions beyond "Glazers out". I cringe every time I read their posts.
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    1) quoting me for having a glazers out opinion
    2) I have no history of specifically saying that
    3) logic.
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    I never said they didn't make come backs. What I said 'I doubt' they would've under Wenger. Big difference...

    Emery has already won a European final coming from behind to defeat Klopps Liverpool. Something Wenger never managed in his entire career.

    The point is Emery is getting far more out of players like Xhaka than Wenger ever did and most Arsenal fans are in agreement.
  17. Dec 5, 2018 at 22:41

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    Any competent CEO would have sacked Mourinho.

    I’m not going to blame Mourinho because a normal club would have sacked him by now.
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    He can't sack him until the owners give him the go ahead. But I won't be surprised if he's currently in discussions with someone regarding the position of manager here.
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    Yeh. I think if you, I, and thousands of people can see this is not working, I strongly believe that Ed knows this also. Even if he can't think so, he must have people advising him on footballing wise.

    Ed is a CEO of multi billion worth company. I refuse to believe the majority of us are smarter than him and his people.
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    I don't like getting into arguments over the board normally but Woodward without a doubt is a very intelligent man. I do believe he will get the DoF in before too long aswell.
  21. Dec 6, 2018 at 02:35

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    It's about time. Although I don't know how much difference it will make, if he keep choosing the wrong manager and persist with them. Spurs is doing well because they're ruthless with managers, and eventually picked the right man. So are many other big club, like Barca, Madrid, and Bayern.
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    Woodward is a intelligent man and will have learned a great deal in what he's seen thus far since SAF retired. I believe he will opt for a manager that will surprise alot of people. The best thing that could happen to us is that there isn't anyone obvious available. So I hope people like Zidane get snapped up by Bayern so we can focus on managers who I believe would be a better fit like Eddie Howe, who is a brilliant young coach and would understand the traditions of the club better than most.
  23. Dec 6, 2018 at 05:31

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    I think its between Zidane or the Pochs.
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    Pochs would be my pick. He's like a typical lovely and sweet neighbor girl that's suitable as long-term gf/wife, while Zidane is like that super model girlfriend that fulfill your wildest dream but you just know she will eventually leave you shortly. Imho.
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    Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04

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    What a clueless idiot. He has no idea how to lead this club and whenever we're in a crisis, he stands still in shock
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    Phil Brown and Andy Mitten on a recent podcast have confirmed what I've heard a few times that Alderweireld was available for just 30 million days before the window shut but Woodward said no.

    Google Beyond The Pitch
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    It doesn't matter if Alderweireld joins for 10, 30 or 100 million.

    If he joins Mourinho he'd be shit.
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    Of course CA1 is ITK, didn't see that one coming.
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    Yes. Oh the difference a competent manager makes. I mean its not as if Woodward hasn't backed his managers more than Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Real Madrid, Everton, Bournemouth etc
  30. Dec 7, 2018 at 12:55

    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    Thing is mate, Arsenal's owners had a chance to switch managers and got it right first time.

    It's Woodward who keeps appointing the wrong ones... and in this case, then gave them a contract extension before not backing them...
  31. Dec 7, 2018 at 12:55

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    Didnt I read that klopp demanded some changes in regards to how transfers worked before he signed on?
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    true. he is definitely not blame free
  33. Dec 7, 2018 at 12:59

    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    The press said that he demanded complete control but since it's never a thing, you can safely say that it's BS.
  34. Dec 7, 2018 at 13:03

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    Fair enough.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Though, I forgot that Edwards role was changed and that they formally introduced the DOF role. So my statement was wrong anyway.
  36. Dec 7, 2018 at 13:17

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    This is actually a very good point you made. I never thought of it this way.
    He is basically getting similar deals to what other clubs in the top 4 are getting. The difference being that because we have a bigger fan-base, he is able to bring in more sponsors and when convincing sponsors, he can use the fact that we have a bigger fan base and have more eyes watching our games.

    To be fair, the guys who are trying to get sponsors for clubs at the bottom of our league deserve more credit (as they have a harder time making the "sale"), than a club who is well known and in big demand.

    If SAF had not done the hard work (turning us into serial winners), then Woodward would definitely not be getting the deals done, like he is doing, today.
  37. Dec 7, 2018 at 13:19

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    Anybody could make the mistake of hiring a manager who ends up failing, but giving a contract extension, then not backing that manager in the Summer is mind-boggling.

    That wouldn't surprise me.
    Woodie was trying to save money (probably to balance the books). It doesn't take a genius to work this out.
  38. Dec 7, 2018 at 13:30

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    I keep saying exactly this.
    There are some people on this forum who say, "we should not let Jose spend £XM in the transfer window.
    Why not? Any money saved will more than likely end up The Glazers' bank account and Woodie will take a bonus.
    At least if the money is spent on players, it means that that money is invested in the team and it may help us on the pitch. It also means that for a certain duration of time (until the player is sold), that money won't end up in the account of the The Glazers.

    I don't support the Glazers. I don't support a business. I support our on-pitch performance which is why I want money spent on our team and also the stadium infrastructure.

    I am convinced that the money saved last Summer will somehow end up in the Glazers' pockets.
  39. Dec 7, 2018 at 13:35

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    I keep reading that Arsenal are doing so much better under Emery. The only difference is the fans are on side this season. They are still 5th and lets bare in mind they have no Champions League to worry about. Emery has played second fiddle line ups in the Europa League so their best players are fit and ready every weekend. Their problem under Wenger was they couldn't beat the top 6, they have managed a win again Spurs at home again top 6 opponents this season. Other than the fact they press the ball I see no difference with them this season.

    It's the same thing with Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool. There is a media love in with all of them because of the way they play but the fact remains all of them won't win anything at the end of season bare maybe the FA cup.
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    Difference is, under Jose, our football has never been good. Yess we've had a few good halves a season but never consistent. The likes of Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea etc have improved their football. Yes they may not win every game, at least you can see the type of football they're trying to play and where what they're trying to achieve. 2 plus years on, I still have no clue what football Jose is trying to achieve with us, to make us win titles again?!