Ed Woodward 2019-2020 edition

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  1. Jun 8, 2019

    Keefy18 Full Member

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    I get it, we've a frustrated fan base and frustration causes irrational thinking.

    We all want a singular entity to blame and to focus that anger on. I feel the same as the rest of the fan base and trust me after the Cardiff result in May I was delighted to see the back of the season, well n truly exhausted from it all.

    When people are irrational they create a laser focus on one single thing as the root cause of all their anger & frustration. They are laser focused on that need... I mean, I've lost count on how many times I've read on here that "we need to be rid of Ed" or "We need to be rid of the Glazers".

    Yet ignore the fact that Ferguson dealt with exactly the same board and was successful.

    They became majority owners in 2005, from the 2006-07 season Ferguson nearly won 5 league titles on the bounce with them as owners but for 1 fecking point in the 09-10 season. He won the other 4 league titles available and then added a final one in 2013!
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    the chameleon Full Member

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    You keep rehashing the same point.

    I gave you a breakdown on a previous post. The managers and players have failed on a micro level. However, Ed has failed on macro level for the club.

    Macro level failures generally tend be correlated with micro level failures. He can hire and fire people like Judge. He can bring a new Director of Football.

    He’s had 6 years at the job. And he’s failed at an epic level.

    He’s got a list of things wrong. Setting a structure is critical.

    I would go as far as say he’s the biggest villain in the history of the club. After all, the Glazers had almost given up on a hostile takeover. But a young upstart accountant by the name Edward Woodward had a plan...

    Answer this. Do you think Woodward should be given continued responsibility for control of Man Utd?

    Would you like the club to have an improved structure?

    The fact is most of your posts are defending Woodward. I’m curious to get to the root of your grand delusions old sir!
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    I rehash it because folks don't want to admit the feckin obvious that their sentiments are irrational and illogical. Being frustrated and illogical go hand in hand.

    This micro / macro stuff is nonsense. As CEO he has to support his managers decisions and by an large he has.

    Again to "rehash my point" - Do you want to be the first to try worm your way out of the Fellaini situation and try use rational logic and blame the actual root cause of the problem? I'll give you a hint, its not Woodward or as you hilariously call him " the biggest villain in the history of the club".

    Jose publicly supports Fellaini staying at the club, Jose publicly demands he be given a new contract.
    As CEO, Woodward clearly doesn't rate him or at least that highly... as his renewal is left to the very last day of his contract.
    • The manager that demands an average player be kept and rewarded with an extended contract on higher salary?
    • The CEO who is just supporting his manager?
    So I ask again, who is to blame in that scenario?

    Now remember, throughout this thread caftards are adamant that Woodward is apparently over ruling his managers, that he is to singularly blame for over paying players and cause of our inflated salary bill also and as a side note apparently the managers have ZERO input to who stays / goes and deciding of salaries....

    And to answer your question briefly, no. If Ed goes our problems aren't going to suddenly be fixed cause he's gone.
  4. Jun 8, 2019

    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    This should end any argument which is being used to defend Woodward and is the very reason why I feel he needs to be demoted or removed completely from footballing decisions.
    Until this happens, we will continue finishing 4th-7th.

    We could buy Messi and we'd still struggle to finish in the top 4.

    Renewing contacts for people like Mata, Jones, Baily, etc, to save money will not see us compete for the league anytime soon. I have already written off the 2019/20 season, due to the way we ended the current season (relegation form).
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    Why would it end it ffs?! He isn't responsible for on field matters. He's hired people for that, you might of heard of them..one of them even played for us previously ;)

    By this logic when Zlatan had a great season for us, does Ed get the same praise?

    Renewing of contract is at the managers behest, Feel free to try worm your way out of the example I've given above with Fellaini.

    It flat out "ends any argument" you could say that its solely on Ed.

    It's a culmination of things over a number of years from various parties all included that has us here.
  6. Jun 9, 2019

    the chameleon Full Member

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    I'll ask you again. Do you think Woodward should be allowed to continue his responsibilities at the club?

    What arguments do you have to keep him of the club's footballing structure?

    Also, at what point do you say enough is enough and he has to go?
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    Denis79 Full Member

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    That nonsense is the foundation of any large company in the world. You have people who control the greater picture and others who manage the smaller things.
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    Sure, why not?

    I like how you avoid answering my question...

    If a manager demands a player be kept by giving them a new deal and the board reluctantly agree, who is at fault?

    No one wants to answer it because they know the foundation of that error is with the manager and it diverts blame away from Woodward and that completely goes against their blind, illogical hatred.
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    I don't think Woodward has any say in the footballing decisions.
    And he always backs his manager first seasons. He sanctioned big transfers for them. The one time he vetoed a manager, it's in Jose last season, and even that's an arguable decision
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    fallengt Full Member

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    Because Fergie was one off. It barely works anywhere else, stop tunneling vision it. And no, nobody praised Gill. He was unpopular among Caf at the time. The only reason we're making comparison because Woodward is worse.

    Success rate post Fergie in that very system is zero if we only count league title. Rational people would start asking the question where's the problem. The first step to fix anything is to admit there's problem in the first place. Most people should know it by now rebuilding United is not a one man's job, manager needs to have a platform to build from. For that to happen, we need long-term plan and proper structure. Things that United don't have atm.

    You're just typical Dunning Kruger here.
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  11. Jun 12, 2019 at 00:13

    Im red2 Prophet of Doom

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    If you think that Ed Woodward should be allowed to continue in his current position at United, then you are either an idiot or a Liverpool fan.
  12. Jun 12, 2019 at 00:18

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    Lied on the fans yet again on the Dof thing. Still some will keep defending him anyway.
  13. Jun 12, 2019 at 00:19

    hn4manunited Full Member

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    Or he is Ed himself:)
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    Im red2 Prophet of Doom

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    I expect a mountain of pressure on Woodward this season, he has fcuked up every season for 6 years now and is going into this one exactly the same way as he has the others. HOw can anyone who is a fan of Manchester United give any support to this arsehole and his cohorts? They have taken United from the top to the dregs in such a short time. And not much will change until they are out of the club completely. The Glazers and their Joe 90 puppet have really fcuked up united so much that it could take years to get back to where the club belongs.
    Most people should realise after this current transfer window.
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    Im red2 Prophet of Doom

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    Or that :)
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  17. Jun 12, 2019 at 03:29

    Denis79 Full Member

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    Same people that defend the Glazers.
  18. Jun 12, 2019 at 03:34

    haram Full Member

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    fecking twat.
  19. Jun 12, 2019 at 03:39

    Sterling Archer Full Member

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    Check his last fifty posts. Half of them are in this thread defending Woodward and the other half defending Michael Jackson and dismissing the testimony of those kids from Neverland Ranch :nervous:
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    We will never get back to where we want to, if Woodward remains in charge of our transfer policy.
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    Billy Blaggs Flacco of the Blaggs tribe

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    What is the fecking point of that?!
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    Everything this cnut briefs is a lie and a deflection. I knew he was lying through his teeth when I saw nes like Evra and Rio being touted. He is drunk with power. Look at this line:

    Yeah, worked in sending us to midtable. There needs to be a protest of some sort at some point against him.
  23. Jun 12, 2019 at 05:03

    Denis79 Full Member

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    Can't see any other reason for this either.
  24. Jun 12, 2019 at 05:11

    haram Full Member

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    Someone come in here and defend it. Let me see the stupidity.
  25. Jun 12, 2019 at 20:52

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    Are any of the other CEOs linked to making footballing decisions? The whole point is that a CEO delegates the football side of things to a DoF (aka Football CEO). The issue with Woodward is that he seems to be the one making the decisions or at the very least the one with final authority.

    The two post Moyes hires screamed lack of planning and short-termism.

    Given Van Gaal’s age he could only coach out on a short term basis. He did wonders for the Dutch team because he’s great coach but he also had little say on who to bring because there weren’t too many decisions to make and WC is a short term event and national pride can deliver an improbable result.

    Mourinho should have been radioactive after his 2nd Chelsea stint. I knew and stated as such here when he was hired that he was toxic and that it would end badly. Just like I posted on a Chelsea board in 2012 that Mourinho not playing De Bruyne was ridiculous and Chelsea letting him go would haunt them for years.

    The whole point is that a manager should dictate how the club is run in the modern footballing environment because tenures are too short. In some cases despite being successful coaches just leave because they want something different and they get fed up with certain aspects of club politics.

    Hence the reason why an overall philosophy is needed to hire managers that fit the philosophy and to avoid short term appointment that require complete style overhauls.

    The other aspect is legacy planning in terms of talent, which is something that was not addressed towards the end of Fergie’s reign with the failure to to address midfield for several years, which essentially pushed Scholes to return.

    The legacy planning is still a haphazard mess especially when you see Jones getting a four year deal after being an unreliable piece for several years.

    If you look at City they are continually improving and upgrading and not letting players sit on their laurels. You don’t cut it you will get replaced.

    They won the league and two other trophies with arguably their best player out injured for the most of the year and barely skipped a beat.
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    Utd fans need to rise up, and they need to do so imminently.
  27. Jun 12, 2019 at 21:02

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    There is no such thing as United fans, only customers.
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    Denis79 Full Member

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    That's the United spirit!
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    Im red2 Prophet of Doom

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    Some guys actually think that Ed Woodward is not to blame and that is a major mistake, that is the same arsehole who helped the Glazers in their hostile takeover of the club, and he is now our DOF, how has that worked out over the last seasons? We have gone from being top dogs to be scraping for scraps. Some idiots seem to want to defend Ed Woodward, I ask how can you defend such a person unless you are him. He has helped with the takeover in order that he can become the CEO. And since that has happened United have become shit. Manchester United are currently a mid table team in England, can the Glazers keep us there or will they let us go even lower?
  31. Jun 12, 2019 at 22:36

    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    Ed is picking up £4,000,000 a year, the glazers are taking dividend to the tune of £20,000,000 a year while the value increases. They don’t give a rats arse
  32. Jun 12, 2019 at 22:42

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    I have a genuine question to you guys who 1. Thought we were going to bring in a DoF this summer and 2. Thought the DoF would have any impact on signings made. Do you guys even know how these people work?
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    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    If it’s someone like Ferdinand exactly how they are told to act
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    I was hoping we would hire one before we hired a permanent manager. Hiring the manager is probably the most important role of DOF.
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    Im red2 Prophet of Doom

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    Yes we are on our ass as a football club, A DOF with a vision for the club on the pitch could become a major problem for the current milk the club plan that the owners have. So they do not want one. And, if they ever do get one to try and get some pressure of their backs it will be a yes man.
  36. Jun 12, 2019 at 22:50

    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    So we are agreed we are the titanic
  37. Jun 12, 2019 at 23:02

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    I mean you don't just bring in a DoF in May or June and expect them to have any sort of impact. With DoF's there is a lot of long term planning involved. This person would need 6 months minimum to assess things properly and set out targets. It was blatantly obvious we weren't getting one this year. Ed most likely already has a list of targets set from long ago and that list is what they are going with this summer along with the input of Ole of course.

    Basically they have just decided to put one of the most crucial summer windows in the history of this club in the hands of Ed once again. All we can do is to pray this won't be another horrible window. I still can't believe after all the previously failed windows in particular the last one the club still havn't brought in someone more experienced to replace Ed. It's quite frankly shocking.

    It's honestly hard to take the club serious when in the summer of 2019 we are still having discussions about bringing in a DoF. Any serious club would have found a top quality candidate and hired him to replace Ed 4 years ago. Wouldn't surprise me if this turns out another shit show and Ed will still remain in his position next summer. Quite worrying if you ask me.
  38. Jun 12, 2019 at 23:05

    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    That prick is not going to give up control while he is getting financially rewarded every year to the tune of 4 million, we are goosed while he is in charge.
  39. Jun 13, 2019 at 00:44

    He'sRaldo New Member

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    Funny how in the end no one answered your question...
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  40. Jun 13, 2019 at 00:51

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    This is it in a nutshell. Success is nice but they don't need it for the value of the club to increase, they're not fans of the club - their goal is to make money.

    Look at Madrid - already a far superior squad to us and have already spent £250m this summer - likely going to around £350m once they get a cm in too. That should've been us - instead we've spent £1 billion financing the debt and paying out to the glazers.