Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by MyOnlySolskjaer, Jul 11, 2018.
We had a good run and the players did themselves proud.
Serious question who have they beat with players above championship quality? Or even a team with just one world class player (James was injured for the Columbia draw).
Sorry but this should be seen as missed
Opportunity and not a success.
Posted this in the match thread but probably better placed in here:
LWB is going to be an interesting change. Young is probably finished now. A chance for Ryan Sessegnon to step up next season in the PL. Rose is still uncertain and Shaw seems like a pipe dream.
(since you lot spoilt the other thread)
I think Southgate laid a good foundation there. I think that by 2020 we'll have some better players coming though. My picks are Sancho, Mount and maybe James Maddison to add that little bit we're missing in attacking areas at the moment. I'd like to see another quality centre back come through too, perhaps Trevor Chalobah can make his name in these next two years as I think he's the pick of the young centre backs. Keep an eye out for Panzo and Reece James too.
My worry is who is coming through by 2020 to replace Henderson in that role. I honestly can't think of anyone.
He's the obvious choice. I think the LWB role will really suit him. Panzo who has just signed for Monaco is a good left back too.
I like the idea of a thread to discuss England's positive aspects and appreciate that they did very well this year.
...but it'll just end up as another toxic mess from those that want to piss all over English people being happy with the way their NT plays.
England have a ready team for Euro 20. Spain and Germany are going to rebuild their teams and England will be among the favourites in 2 years.
You're a very good team and a couple of CM's away from being challengers for WC/EC. What would you give to have Scholes in this team?
The lads have done England proud. Now the Scots Welsh Irish can have their little moment that they’ve been waiting for. But gimme a run to the semi of the World Cup any day.
I find it hard to blame Rashford for anything. His only minutes today were when we were already looking dead in the game. I think he’s a great talent and maybe in two years he’ll be first choice and we’ll be better for it.
With the introductions of the likes of Lewis Cook, Foden, Gomes, Ox coming back, Rashford hopefully progressing, Kane maintaining his level, etc, there's stuff to look forward to seeing how Southgate did with this lackluster squad.
Proud of the lads overall.
But it’s really important for England that from this they push on, and don’t fall into the trap of the lost potential the last successful England team did in the 90s and 00s.
Commiserations to the team. Did far better than anyone would have expected at the start of the tournament. Well played lads, well played.
From going out in the group stages to a semi final at the next World Cup is progress, no matter how much people may try to diminish it.
Worth noting our youth teams are doing exceptionally well too so pairing that with our already young main squad holds well for the future.
First time in years I’ve felt proud of the England national team it feels good.
I appreciate that England took good set pieces and some CBs scored a couple of goals. And I appreciate that Kane was finishing some of his chances early on in the tournament.
I dont appreciate the ridiculous overhype that came with England winning against very average teams.
Hopefully England sort out the defence by using defenders instead of people perceived to be good passers (despite losing the ball in dangerous areas) and completely rethink an attack that barely scored a goal in open play. So lots of work to do. Cant always rely on luck
Not to take away from the post but Kovacic was an unused sub mate. Found it strange that they didn't bring him on to be honest.
Be proud ffs, you won a penalty shootout, you got some serious material for class goalkeeper and you're in the medal zone of a bloody World Cup. Curse is broken.
Many good moments on this tournament with England and there's still one match to go.
Least you lot won a penalty shoot-out. I mean that's probably the highlight from the campaign.
Nah you don’t build or learn at international level. The gaps are too big. It’s tournement football with one shot in the glimpse of an eye. And yes although we over achieved with the team we had; Given the size of the opportunity and that first half I’m gutted. We won’t get it again. One of Spain Germany Italy Or Portugal won’t all mess up again.
Pretty proud overall. removed the penalty curse, played some good football, and looked like we belonged.
Midfield was a glaring problem all tournament, and was the downfall this evening, as i've said in numerous previous posts.
You did well and you have wonderkids that will come up in the near future.
There was a foul there towards the end I could have sworn looked like it was on Kovacic but you're right he never came on!
A midfield that can leave him on the bench is serious quality though. No shame in a young side pushing them so close.
An excellent tournament for England on the pitch and great for the country off it. The experience will stand those in that squad in great stead for the Euros.
I was surprised and impressed by just how well we played out from the back and in Pickford we have a keeper who has really announced himself on the world stage. Midfield is the issue as we all know.
So plenty to look forward to particularly with some of these exciting youngsters coming through. This is a modern and progressive looking England setup that looks likely to keep England competitive in the Euros and the next WC. We've moved on from the seemingly never ending and underwhelming Gerrard and Lampard era although ironically it remains that position that England needs to fix. We don't look like a team that would get turned over by an Iceland.
The trick now is for people to not suddenly start expecting England go out and win the next tournament. Being competitive and getting into quarter finals and semi finals is realistic and achievable and puts you in reach of the big prize.
A great learning curve for the manager too and he'll no doubt be a better manager for it. And off the pitch Southgate nailed it re his comments on unity. There was a really positive vibe and a lot of great examples of a multicultural nation coming together to shout the lads on. Good to see.
What about the football though? Pretty average end of the day. Good to win the peno for a young group and a decent run taking advantage of a largely mediocre route.
You cannot win WC semi-finals when so many Spurs/ex-Spurs players start for you, ask Belgium.
There's a visible trend.
Same old England, failure.
Game was there to be won and they blew it. Wont have a better chance to hit a WC final than that.
They must be gutted, but only have themselves to blame
Best chance they'll ever get to make the final. They should have beaten Croatia. Good tournament overall but it does hide that we lost to the only half decent sides we played. Southgate needs to learn a lot regarding tactics and subs and some of the U20s and U17s need to be slowly brought into the fold.
I also fear after this it will be back to 'England expects' at the Euros.
Going from an underwhelming loss to Iceland in Euro '16 to potentially 3rd in the World with a totally revamped squad is a pretty great tournament I would say. Kane being properly on his game or Ali being fully fit and I think you'd have put Croatia to the sword in that first half and then who knows in the final.
On the other hand, for something that comes around every 4 years, these players might never get a better chance to win the competition. Having so many World Cup specialists like Germany, Brazil, Argentina and Spain to under-perform is rare.
I'm sorry, but it was a pathetic performance that ended their World Cup. They lost against an inferior team in a decisive match that could have put them through to the final of the World Cup. They had a World Cup in which Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Argentina, Brazil, Portugal, Urugay were already out of the competition and they stumbled upon Croatia? An opportunity like that will not arrive soon again. There is no need to heap praise on this England team. Beating Colombia on penalties and Sweden in the quarters is nothing to be excited about.
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